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2007-02-27 -Signs, Portents, and the Weather-
Al Gore's "Carbon Guilt"
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Posted by Mike 2007-02-27 05:41|| || Front Page|| [4 views since 2007-05-07]  Top

#1 It's a tax, and on the rich. No wonder the Dems approve.
Posted by Bobby 2007-02-27 06:05||   2007-02-27 06:05|| Front Page Top

#2 Will the left ever run out of ways/excuses for creating a highly regulatory oligarchy where the "right people" are in charge, make ALL the rules, and have the best lifestyles not on the basis of entrepreneurship, or by plebiscite, but on the basis of sycophancy to raw, naked government power?

Actually, the guy who wrote the article got it wrong, in part. The goal of leftists is not to rip the poor, it's to stymie those who would make money in a capitalist, entrepreneurial fashion. The oligarchs on the left need the poor to have a bloody shirt to wave and a bloody stick to use.

I'm left wondering what the excuse will be after after "climate change has run its course - any ideas out in the 'burg?

We could even start a pool.
Posted by no mo uro 2007-02-27 06:13||   2007-02-27 06:13|| Front Page Top

#3 This morning on WTOP Radio, a study was quoted saying Gore's Tennessee mansion had a $30,000 utility bill last year.

Bet that didn't include the SUV's or the private jets.

But it probably did include water, sewer, and trash pickup, so the energy cost couldn't be more than $2,000 a month. Why, I've had smaller house payments!
Posted by Bobby 2007-02-27 06:19||   2007-02-27 06:19|| Front Page Top

#4 Bobby here are the particulars.

"Gore’s mansion, located in the posh Belle Meade area of Nashville, consumes more electricity every month than the average American household uses in an entire year, according to the Nashville Electric Service (NES)."

http://www.tennesseepolicy.org/main/article.php?article_id=367
Posted by Jacko 2007-02-27 07:36||   2007-02-27 07:36|| Front Page Top

#5 "Captain Ed" Morissey:

. . . purchasing offsets only means that Gore doesn't want to make the same kind of sacrifices that he's asking other families to make. He's using a modern form of indulgences in order to avoid doing the penance that global-warming activism demands of others. It means that the very rich can continue to suck up energy and raise the price and the demand for electricity and natural gas, while families struggle with their energy costs and face increasing government regulation and taxation. It's a regressive plan that Gore's supporters would decry if the same kind of scheme were applied to a national sales tax, for instance.

And basically, it doesn't address the issue of hypocrisy. If Gore and his family continue to increase their consumption of commercial energy with all of the resources they have at hand, then they have no business lecturing the rest of us on conservation and down-scaling our own use.
Posted by Mike 2007-02-27 08:00||   2007-02-27 08:00|| Front Page Top

#6 Does anyone know how much the carbon credits cost?

I suspect he got a rock bottom low price on them because no one except morally vain poseurs would want them, thus the demand is probably low as is the market clearing price.
Posted by mhw 2007-02-27 08:23|| http://hypocrisy-incorporated.blogspot.com/]">[http://hypocrisy-incorporated.blogspot.com/]  2007-02-27 08:23|| Front Page Top

#7 Does anyone know how much the carbon credits cost?

I think I read somewhere that they cost the same as the price of a soul. Not as pricey as you might expect. In fact, they go downright cheap.
Posted by Thromoger Thrumble5163 2007-02-27 08:36||   2007-02-27 08:36|| Front Page Top

#8 Are carbon credits edible? Because, from what I saw of Al yesterday, if they aren't, I wouldn't think he'd be interested in them...
Posted by tu3031 2007-02-27 08:47||   2007-02-27 08:47|| Front Page Top

#9 lol, tu! Interesting point you make there actually. Wasn't there something (PETA or the UN or someone) last week about how we meat-eaters cause global warming from all the cows/hogs/chickens we raise for food and the methane they release? So, if'n I got this right, to be "truly green", we'd eat only beans (of course, that alone causes greenhouse gases), use hamsters to power turbine engines to run our homes, salt all of our food (instead of refrigerators), walk (or bike) every where we want to go, and have solar power panels on our roofs.

Of course, it's much easier to pay your $30k utility bills and just assauge your guilt with some hare-brained idea like "carbon offset credits."
Posted by BA 2007-02-27 09:14||   2007-02-27 09:14|| Front Page Top

#10 Apparently its only $4/metric ton per

http://www.chicagoclimatex.com/

assuming 1 metric ton of carbon per 1 megawatt hour (which is probably almost certainly a high estimate based on calculations by:

http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/eng99/eng99187.htm


then the Gore mansion's 200+ megaKW hours could be offset by less than about $800 in credits (which by the way go to environmental organizations buying rainforest land, etc.)

This has scam written all over it.
Posted by mhw 2007-02-27 09:25|| http://hypocrisy-incorporated.blogspot.com/]">[http://hypocrisy-incorporated.blogspot.com/]  2007-02-27 09:25|| Front Page Top

#11 Gorebal Worming IS a religion - look, they've invented simony already!
Posted by mojo">mojo  2007-02-27 10:22||   2007-02-27 10:22|| Front Page Top

#12 This from the environmental rads, a who thunk? moment. George Bush's ranch at Crawford -

The 4,000-square-foot house is a model of environmental rectitude.

Geothermal heat pumps located in a central closet circulate water through pipes buried 300 feet deep in the ground where the temperature is a constant 67 degrees; the water heats the house in the winter and cools it in the summer. Systems such as the one in this "eco-friendly" dwelling use about 25% of the electricity that traditional heating and cooling systems utilize.

A 25,000-gallon underground cistern collects rainwater gathered from roof runs; wastewater from sinks, toilets and showers goes into underground purifying tanks and is also funneled into the cistern. The water from the cistern is used to irrigate the landscaping surrounding the four-bedroom home. Plants and flowers native to the high prairie area blend the structure into the surrounding ecosystem.

No, this is not the home of some eccentrically wealthy eco-freak trying to shame his fellow citizens into following the pristineness of his self-righteous example. And no, it is not the wilderness retreat of the Sierra Club or the Natural Resources Defense Council, a haven where tree-huggers plot political strategy.

This is President George W. Bush's "Texas White House" outside the small town of Crawford.


Note the line - How does the President reconcile an eco-friendly abode for his own family with his persistent stand against anything that smacks of an environmentally friendly agenda for the nation as a whole?

Maybe Josie because people not in your mindless fake religion to Gaia are not inheritantly evil. There's nothing wrong with living your personal life in a manner that is generous and respectful of the land, its another to impose it based upon fear mongering, half truths, hate, and a facade for the grasping of power after your Communist approach failed miserably in the late 20th Century.
Posted by Procopius2k 2007-02-27 11:31||   2007-02-27 11:31|| Front Page Top

#13 carbon guilt from the ultimate carbon blob.
Posted by Broadhead6 in Iraq 2007-02-27 11:37||   2007-02-27 11:37|| Front Page Top

#14 Hey! Do as I say don't do as I do; get in line with the program. You don't understand. These things don't apply to me--only you.
Posted by Al and Tipper Gore 2007-02-27 11:53||   2007-02-27 11:53|| Front Page Top

#15 I have a proposal. Let's say it takes "X" to run, say, a 3000 sq. ft. home, if the homeowner goes above "X," surcharge.

This hits "the rich" and those who have big homes.
Posted by anonymous2u 2007-02-27 12:22||   2007-02-27 12:22|| Front Page Top

#16 One of AlGore's defenders (yep, he has at least one):

Those on right are busy today comparing Al Gore's energy consumption to the average American. Well, Al Gore is not the average American. He comes from power and money and he has achieved power and money in his own right.

Al Gore lives a life different from most folks. I'm not one to defend elitism, not as a matter of practice, but some elitism is inevitable. There must be a leadership class. There always has been and there always will be. Even societies organized around the principle of the equality and preeminence of the proletariat have had an elite class. It is the natural order of things. The key for a society is to create a responsible, responsive and fluid elite.

Is that a defense or an indictment?
Posted by Mike 2007-02-27 14:36||   2007-02-27 14:36|| Front Page Top

#17 YOUZA!

You guys paying attention to the market????

Down 400 Points!
Posted by anonymous2u 2007-02-27 15:12||   2007-02-27 15:12|| Front Page Top

#18 And after "I-Truth" came out, Gore household consumption increased....Suppose mommy and the kids turned up the heat and ran around with all the lights on with Al out of town?
Posted by Sid 6.7 2007-02-27 16:29||   2007-02-27 16:29|| Front Page Top

#19 #17 anon-2u - Glenn Reynolds says it's because of the Chinese market plunging - apparently it's affecting markets world-wide.
Posted by Barbara Skolaut">Barbara Skolaut  2007-02-27 16:38||   2007-02-27 16:38|| Front Page Top

#20 "Even societies organized around the principle of the equality and preeminence of the proletariat have had an elite class. It is the natural order of things."

Does this sound like members of the politburo living in dachas while everyone else waits in line 4 hours for two rolls of toilet paper to anyone else in the 'burg?
Posted by no mo uro 2007-02-27 17:52||   2007-02-27 17:52|| Front Page Top

#21 But burning carbon is fun!
Posted by DMFD 2007-02-27 20:24||   2007-02-27 20:24|| Front Page Top

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