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2007-12-06 Europe

Why We Should Oppose an Independent Kosovo

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Posted by Omolugum Omavimble4053 2007-12-06 07:11|| || Front Page|| [9 views ] Top
File under: Global Jihad

#1 As always, Fjordman gets it.

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2007-12-06 08:09|| 2007-12-06 08:09|| Front Page Top

#2 The Serbs understood the problem first. If a firm line had been taken early and the Saudis prevented from instigating war hundreds of thousands might have been spared.

Posted by Excalibur 2007-12-06 09:31|| 2007-12-06 09:31|| Front Page Top

#3 Ahem. The way the Serbs 'got it' was to murder tens of thousands of civilians.

The word for that is 'genocide'.

The Bosnians and Kosovars are not blameless in this mess. However, I still believe that the Serbs deserved every bit of the thumping they got, and more.

It would be far better to let the southeast European muslims in Albania, Kosovo and Bosnia form a state, and then tie that state firmly to Europe, western tradition and personal liberty. That's how you keep the Saoodis and the extremists out.

I have no sympathy whatsoever for the Serbs after Srebrenica.

Posted by Steve White">Steve White 2007-12-06 12:26|| 2007-12-06 12:26|| Front Page Top

#4 I agree, lets not put the Serbs up on a pedestal. They are/were thugs whose brutality more or less helped the Kosovars get this far.

Having said that Kosovars can just wait. I still think Russian peacekeepers would be a good idea. Slavs trust them, they want to be a Great Power, and it'll show the Kosovars that just because we stopped them from being slaughtered doesn't mean we accept their hiding behind us and shooting at their enemies.

Posted by rjschwarz 2007-12-06 13:38|| 2007-12-06 13:38|| Front Page Top

#5 As always, Fjordman gets it.
Posted by g(r)omgoru

Fjordman gets nothing. I've actually been to the area in question. Overwhelmingly, in Albania as well, you will not find a more pro-American area of Europe. Jihadist ideology was imported, and is very, very rare today. It ain't Yemen. If you go to Kosovo, you will find that a lot of "Muslims" will buy you a beer.
Now, whether Kosovo should be independent is a different deal, but it's from lack of any kind of resources or an industrial base. I would like to see Kosovo as a province of an expanded Albania. That would make more sense.
But to say that the Allan Akbars is the problem that should lead us to oppose -- that's just ignorance.

Posted by Mizzou Mafia 2007-12-06 13:58|| 2007-12-06 13:58|| Front Page Top

#6 Muslims cannot embrace Western liberty; they are slaves to allah. When they have the arms and numbers, they attack their mortal enemies: us.

Posted by Titus Glomolet2781 2007-12-06 16:23|| 2007-12-06 16:23|| Front Page Top

#7 Kosovo been a part of Serbia 10 times as long as there been USA, Mizzou Mafia. Meditate on this!

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2007-12-06 17:15|| 2007-12-06 17:15|| Front Page Top

#8 Our government's role in enabling the Kosevars is shameful. Srebrenica was a horrible event, but does anyone remember 700 years of Ottoman atrocities? I didn't think so.

Posted by SR-71 2007-12-06 18:08|| 2007-12-06 18:08|| Front Page Top

#9 Kosovo been a part of Serbia 10 times as long as there been USA

So what? Just because Kosovo has been a part of Serbia for a long time doesn't mean it has to be that way in the future.

In an ideal world Kosovo and Serbia would resolve their differences the same way the Czechs and Slovaks did. This isn't ideal. Either the Serbs have to accept the loss of all/most of 'sacred Kosovo', or the Kosovars have to accept being part of a country in which the Serb majority spits on them. Or else we'll eventually have another Balkans war.

Titus: please re-read what Mizzou wrote.

Posted by Steve White">Steve White 2007-12-06 18:10|| 2007-12-06 18:10|| Front Page Top

#10 The Serbs have been with us in 2 World Wars. And they more or less sided with us against the Soviet Union. I can't believe we're siding with Muslims against them.

Fredo, you're my older brother, and I love you, but don't ever side with anyone against the Family again.

Posted by Zhang Fei 2007-12-06 18:11|| http://timurileng.blogspot.com]">[http://timurileng.blogspot.com] 2007-12-06 18:11|| Front Page Top

#11 I guess we should let California become part of Mexico then? This is stupid and Clintion and Albright got us into this mess. I oppose a independent Kosovo, muslims need to learn to get along with others something they will not do when the reach sufficient numbers. We are pushing Serbia into Russia sphere with this stupidity.

Posted by Sock Puppet of Doom 2007-12-06 18:56|| 2007-12-06 18:56|| Front Page Top

#12 This love for the Albanians comes from viewing them through the lense of our own liberal, post-modern, Western sensibilities. The Albanians love us now because we support them against their enemies. After they win, they will come for us. It's the Muslim way. At some point we will discard our liberalism, or we will all die.

Posted by SR-71 2007-12-06 20:11|| 2007-12-06 20:11|| Front Page Top

#13 Muslims cannot embrace Western liberty; they are slaves to allah. When they have the arms and numbers, they attack their mortal enemies: us.

Listen here shit-fer-brains, I was in the Balkans, I've been there and seen what went on, both side. Those particular Muslims there are not at all like the ones in Trashcanistan (who are tribal more than Muslim), nor are they like the Fascist-Shia in Iran or the Saudi-backed Wahhabist Nazis (world-wide).

You are an IDIOT if you truly beleive what you wrote. The bloodshed there has more to do with ethnicity than does religion - all religion does is provide them a fig-leaf excuse for genocide and bigotry. The Muslims terroists are as Muslim as the Christian mass-murderers are Christian; which is to say Not At All.

What was going on there was wrong on ALL sides except when we stepped in to stop the stupidity. The problem is we handed it over to the UN, which means the ethnicity issues and tribalism were reinforced instead of defused, and the economy was hobbled and ultimately trashed with central planning by UN people. Those UN morons cant even get the roads paved or power on in some places even after a decade+.

The solution is to get them out from under UN supervision and into SELF GOVERNMENT. Seperate states, firmly tied into western secular government, and open free practice of religion and respect for individual liberty is THE answer to the region. And it also prys them loose from the radicals, like we are seeing in Iraq with the "Awakenings" there. A job and feeding the family mean a lot more than self-detonation to the average Iraqi Muslim - and that includes welcomiogn home theri Christian neghbors who were ethe doctors and so on in their areas.

Idealogically it gives us a hell of a good wedge against the Islamo-fascists fundamentalists. A democracy in Iraq that isnt a fundamentalist state, is a threat to those totalitarians nearby - likewise goes for the Balkans and those who would incite radicalism there.

So unless you've been there like some of us have, kindly shut the fuck up when you don't know what you are talking about

Posted by OldSpook 2007-12-06 20:46|| 2007-12-06 20:46|| Front Page Top

#14 The Balkan area has been at war ever since the end of Roman occupation in the early 300s AD. The problems that create the environment for warfare go back farther than that - even before the rise of Phillip of Macedon. The Balkans have been conquered and occupied by a dozen different empires, and nothing has changed. There are still blood feuds that go back a thousand years, there are still groups that cannot accept something that happened to their ancestors so far back in history the names of those ancient ancestors are lost - but the fighting goes on. Most Americans cannot understand that kind of behavior, or that degree of grudge, but it exists throughout the Balkans, from Turkey to Romania, and from the Black Sea to the Adriatic. Making another little patch "independent" isn't going to change anything as long as the ingrained hatred for "certain others" continues.

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