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2008-11-09 Caucasus/Russia/Central Asia

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Posted by john frum 2008-11-09 00:00|| || Front Page|| [3 views ] Top

#1 That's how they roll.

Posted by Last Breath Farm Resident 2008-11-09 00:25|| 2008-11-09 00:25|| Front Page Top

#2 If there were 208 people in that sub they must have been packed in like sardines. Maybe someone hit the button with his elbow.

Per a comment on another thread, if they used a "noble gas" system then they may have died from lack of oxygen. Halon was the super-duper system for a while (displaced air including oxygen and no damage to anything in the room) until a few folks killed themselves in closed rooms.

Posted by tipover 2008-11-09 00:38|| 2008-11-09 00:38|| Front Page Top

If we really want to rattle the Russian cage, offer to lease a Los Angeles class boat to the Indians. I understand we have several that were decommissioned before their time just because we didn't want to refuel them. The Indians could pay for that and get a submarine with which to learn.

Posted by Steve White 2008-11-09 01:05|| 2008-11-09 01:05|| Front Page Top

#4 Naval Reactors would have to be disbanded for that to happen.

Posted by .5MT 2008-11-09 04:31|| www.cybernations.net]">[www.cybernations.net] 2008-11-09 04:31|| Front Page Top

#5 The death of soldiers, sailors, Marines, or airmen always makes me sad, no matter where they come from.

Posted by Besoeker 2008-11-09 06:31|| 2008-11-09 06:31|| Front Page Top

#6 The Chakra, which the Russian Navy calls the Nerpa was on trials off Viadivostok when the fire extinguishing system accidentally triggered off suffocating the crew.

At the time of accident, there were total 208 personnel including 81 Russian Navy personnel on board the submarine. No Indian crew was on board defence sources told India Today.

The first Indian crew were to leave New Delhi for Vladivostok next week to start training on the submarine. The chakra was to be handed over to the Indian last year but delayed due to technical glitches. It is to be included in the Navy on August 15, 2009, though this accident has now cast a question mark on this date.

Posted by john frum 2008-11-09 07:13|| 2008-11-09 07:13|| Front Page Top

#7 experts reacting to preliminary reports of the accident on board the Nerpa say it could have been the result of an accidental discharge of deadly Freon gas used in the AFFF system to combat serious fires on submarines.

Every Russian submarine has three types of fire fighting systems. Portable extinguishers which use water and chemicals to douse small fires and need no breathing apparatus for operation, a fixed VPL system which uses water and chemicals for medium fires which has hoses in every compartment but needs no breathing apparatus for operation.

Aqueous Film Forming Foam or AFFF system used to combat Class B fires on submarines by providing a barrier between the burning substance and oxygen uses a deadly Freon mixture which kills instantly. This is released only when the compartment is fully engulfed in fire. It is released after the compartment is vacated and sealed. The chemical is then released from an adjacent compartment to completely smother the fire. The crew can enter the compartment, wearing breathing apparatus, only after the fire is doused and the compartment ventilated for a few hours.

Posted by john frum 2008-11-09 07:17|| 2008-11-09 07:17|| Front Page Top

#8 All those extra people coming on board did not bring their own "extra" PPE with them. When the accident happened, a very deadly game of musical-PPE ensued.

Posted by Minister of funny walks 2008-11-09 11:59|| 2008-11-09 11:59|| Front Page Top

#9 Will someone "in the know" explain what PPE is?

Posted by Frozen Al 2008-11-09 13:52|| 2008-11-09 13:52|| Front Page Top

#10 personal protective equipment - OSHA required for certain jobs, like confined spaces, etc.

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2008-11-09 14:05|| 2008-11-09 14:05|| Front Page Top

#11 WORLD MIL FORUM > INDIA NO LONGER NEEDS TO FEAR CHINESE MIL SUPERIORITY AS INDIAN NUCLEAR MISSLE SUBMARINE WILL PROWL AROUND CHINA.

Wel-l-l, methinks the plans of Indian Generals, Admirals, + Politicos may now change after this incident???

Posted by JosephMendiola 2008-11-09 18:58|| 2008-11-09 18:58|| Front Page Top

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