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2013-06-27 Economy

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Posted by Fred 2013-06-27 00:00|| || Front Page|| [11124 views ] Top

Posted by junkiron 2013-06-27 04:35|| 2013-06-27 04:35|| Front Page Top

#2 Obama =Liar.

Posted by Redneck Jim 2013-06-27 04:45|| 2013-06-27 04:45|| Front Page Top

#3 Shutting down coal fired power plants will do nothing to stop natural earth processes that have been taking place on Earth for thousands of years.

Instead of wasting billions of taxpayer dollars trying to prevent natural earth cycles, the correct policy should be to maximize the benefits of a warmer northern climate and use the proceeds to minimize the negative aspects we don't have the ability to avoid anyway.

Posted by junkiron 2013-06-27 08:22|| 2013-06-27 08:22|| Front Page Top

#4 But that would solve the problems of naturally occurring climate change.

When was the last time you saw a politician, any politician, actually solve a problem?

Posted by CrazyFool 2013-06-27 08:27|| 2013-06-27 08:27|| Front Page Top

#5 BTW, as those ice sheet retreated north, they were followed by those humans. They would 'adapt' to the world to inhabit the lands of the far frigid north to the steamy equator, from deserts to isolated islands of the Pacific, from the savannas to mountain tops.

Posted by Procopius2k 2013-06-27 09:12|| 2013-06-27 09:12|| Front Page Top

#6 Climate change legislation is just another progressive big govmint snake-oil scam to obtain money for the Federal government. It is much like the other progressive grabs such as ObamaCare. There seems to be an underlying sleaziness to the progressive causes that masquerade as care and concern for people or environment. When you get down to it, it is about money, party, stifling control, power, and greed. Yeah, yeah, I know, it is for the children. Heard that tired, worn out platitude too many times and for too many years. If it were really about the children, the progressives would be outraged by the number of abortions going on in this country daily. As an example: "It's for the children" has been sold as "women having sole rights over their reproductive organs--in a word 'choice'." There is no concern for life or the rights of the unborn child, the father, or the family (if there is one). Abortion has become birth control after conception. Abortion has become a way of taking care of an "unpleasant, unnecessary, inconvenience". Maybe I'm just cynical and a bit off-topic and I will probably catch a lot of flack for this cynicism about this topic.

Posted by JohnQC 2013-06-27 11:37|| 2013-06-27 11:37|| Front Page Top

#7 The whole argument is that CO2 causes global warming, which causes climate change, which causes the rest of the enviromental problems.

NO I have not seen a politician, any politician, who actually has had the courage to stand up and tell truth that even if we could return to pre Industrial Revolution carbon dioxide levels, the warming of the planet would still continue.

People who live in Alaska see the glaciers disappearing with their own eyes. People who work at Prudhoe Bay and offshore in the Beaufort Sea see the ice caps melting and the pack ice receding further north almost every year.

Do any of these people believe that building a multibillion dollar wind farm in Florida will somehow cool the entire arctic regions of the world? I doubt it. But they will believe their increased tax and energy bills.
Because they will also see them with their own eyes.

And then they will probably go out and re-elect Obama sycophant Lisa Murkowski to the senate.
Go figure !

You won't catch any flack from me JohnQC. I'm just as tired as you are of any argument that won't stand on it's own merits getting shoved down our throats as "for the children".

Posted by junkiron 2013-06-27 12:33|| 2013-06-27 12:33|| Front Page Top

#8 Fighting climate change is anti-darwinism.

Throw that in their face.

Posted by swksvolFF 2013-06-27 13:40|| 2013-06-27 13:40|| Front Page Top

#9 It's just another justification for another tax. An elaborate extortion racket.

Posted by Newc 2013-06-27 14:33|| 2013-06-27 14:33|| Front Page Top

#10 Select Your "Facts" Carefully, the lies are showing.

Posted by Redneck Jim 2013-06-27 14:49|| 2013-06-27 14:49|| Front Page Top

#11 swksvolFF - that's like saying that extinction is a perfectly natural process for a species to go through.
And to interfere with, for example, the extinction of species like the spotted owl, who has grown too specialized to survive is actually harming the environment.
Tell that to a so-called 'environmentalist' and watch their heads explode. Or not - it isn't as if they truely give a sh*t about the environment.

Posted by CrazyFool 2013-06-27 14:55|| 2013-06-27 14:55|| Front Page Top

#12 Coal producing states with competitive Senate races next year:

Montana
West Virginia
Colorado (maybe)
Illinois (maybe)

Posted by Iblis 2013-06-27 15:07|| 2013-06-27 15:07|| Front Page Top

#13 CF, I've been surrounded a few times in my life.

Little high-heat
"If the climate becomes stable, animals no longer need to evolve, which makes you a creationist."

Wuz told I supported fascism because I was drinking a Budweiser.
"This?! Its a Belgium beer, just like yours. What else do you not know?"

And no, it was never about the environment. They were using it as an excuse to verbally curb stomp someone mob-style. "Why are you trying to publically shame me? What are you, Puritans? Gonna get the olde stocks out, throw some moldy lettuce around? Cuz that's all I hear, let us win let us win."

For others, its a money scheme.

Posted by swksvolFF 2013-06-27 15:57|| 2013-06-27 15:57|| Front Page Top

#14 Coal is the largest source of energy for the generation of electricity worldwide...

Also;

Gasification

Coal gasification can be used to produce syngas, a mixture of carbon monoxide (CO) and hydrogen (H2) gas. This syngas can then be converted into transportation fuels, such as gasoline and diesel, through the Fischer-Tropsch process. This technology is currently used by the Sasol chemical company of South Africa to make motor vehicle fuels from coal and natural gas. Alternatively, the hydrogen obtained from gasification can be used for various purposes, such as powering a hydrogen economy, making ammonia, or upgrading fossil fuels.

Liquefaction

Main article: Coal liquefaction

Coal can also be converted into synthetic fuels equivalent to gasoline or diesel by several different processes. In the direct liquefaction processes, the coal is either hydrogenated or carbonized. Hydrogenation processes are the Bergius process,[46] the SRC-I and SRC-II (Solvent Refined Coal) processes and the NUS Corporation hydrogenation process.[47][48] In the process of low-temperature carbonization, coal is coked at temperatures between 360 and 750°C (680 and 1,380°F). These temperatures optimize the production of coal tars richer in lighter hydrocarbons than normal coal tar. The coal tar is then further processed into fuels. Alternatively, coal can be converted into a gas first, and then into a liquid, by using the Fischer-Tropsch process.

Top consumer of coal:

China 4,053 million short tons 50.7% of world usage and increasing annually
United States 1,003 million short tons 12.5% of world usage, lowesets since 1992

(Wikipedia)

Posted by Hupuque Bucket2093 2013-06-27 16:32|| 2013-06-27 16:32|| Front Page Top

#15 So Hupuque, the US will mine the coal, send it via ship to China (which generates vast amounts of CO2), who will burn it, producing CO2 and lots of other pollutants. So unless Obama puts export limits on coal, I dont see how shutting down coal burning plants in the US will produce a worldwide reduction in CO2.

Posted by Rambler in Virginia 2013-06-27 17:52|| 2013-06-27 17:52|| Front Page Top

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