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2017-06-18 Home Front: Politix

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Posted by Fred 2017-06-18 00:00|| || Front Page|| [5 views ] Top

#1 "I strongly believe there is the existence of a deep state" in the US, the senior statesman said in an interview on Friday. "Deep state" refers to powerful economic and intelligence organizations that control the country's affairs.

It wasn't long after the presidential election of 2008 that I began to suspect someone besides the indolent Barry Soetoro and a feckless, do- nothing congress were actually in charge.

Posted by Besoeker 2017-06-18 04:05|| 2017-06-18 04:05|| Front Page Top

#2 I don't believe there is some deep conspiracy with leaders & etc.... IMO, it's just a lot of second rate people - who got into positions way beyond their abilities - trained to act in certain, personally rewarding, ways. People that pursue their personal advancement while competing in virtue signaling. Trumps election threatens not just their personal livelihoods - and they unhesitatingly sacrifice millions of us to guard their personal livelihoods, but their entire picture of the world. You could no more stop them by finding and eliminating their "secret leaders" than you could stop the Holocausts (where were several last century) by assassinating Hitler, Stalin, or Mao.

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2017-06-18 05:02|| 2017-06-18 05:02|| Front Page Top

#3 ....there is some deep conspiracy with leaders & etc.... IMO, it's just a lot of second rate people

Yes to both.

Posted by Besoeker 2017-06-18 05:09|| 2017-06-18 05:09|| Front Page Top

#4 " it's just a lot of second rate people - who got into positions way beyond their abilities - trained to act in certain, personally rewarding, ways. People that pursue their personal advancement while competing in virtue signaling. Trumps election threatens not just their personal livelihoods - and they unhesitatingly sacrifice millions of us to guard their personal livelihoods - but their entire picture of the world."

Tour de force, GG. This is what has happened over the past two generations. While the rest of us were producing and building and employing (or being employed) they were building walls around their stronghold of metric-free and anxiety-free lives, then assembling power and using the regulatory leviathan to control ours.

They do not outnumber the rest of us but they are much better organized and they control avenues of power that act as force multipliers to allow themselves to direct coercion in ways that we never can. Ousting them is necessary but will be difficult. They are armed and have already indicated they will kill at the slightest hint of threat to their magic paychecks and comfortable lives.

Posted by no mo uro 2017-06-18 05:16|| 2017-06-18 05:16|| Front Page Top

#5 Plus, they always stick for their own against outsiders, no more uro.

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2017-06-18 05:40|| 2017-06-18 05:40|| Front Page Top

#6 There is also a self-selection process involved. When I worked in the federal bureaucracy 40 years ago it quickly became obvious that you needed a certain mindset to survive and flourish.

Only those who were self-centered and didn't give a flip about the quality of the work product in the organization seemed to thrive.

Posted by AlanC 2017-06-18 08:24|| 2017-06-18 08:24|| Front Page Top

#7 Call it what you will, shadow government, deep state, permanent government, the venality of it will swamp us all at some point. It will taint everything around it with its attendant criminality and corruption and it will spread.

Posted by JohnQC 2017-06-18 09:03|| 2017-06-18 09:03|| Front Page Top

#8 It wasn't long after the presidential election of 2008 that I began to suspect someone besides the indolent Barry Soetoro and a feckless, do- nothing congress were actually in charge.
Posted by: Besoeker 2017-06-18 04:05

(Reflects upon this for a moment)

I don't so much think that there's a Council of Evil that meets Tuesdays at 0900 for coffee, donuts, and conspiracy as there are just now that many people, with the same political and social goals, in places of authority that no Administration can accomplish anything unless those goals more or less align with theirs.

It's deep in the root and branch now. Might only be one way left to dig it out, and nobody will like what replaces it.

Mike

Posted by Mike Kozlowski 2017-06-18 09:49|| 2017-06-18 09:49|| Front Page Top

#9 It's not actually a conspiracy if it's just a matter of them each being the exact same kind of jerk. It's more like the scum layer that forms in a septic tank. Floats to the top and all.

Posted by ed in texas 2017-06-18 15:36|| 2017-06-18 15:36|| Front Page Top

#10 It's not actually a conspiracy if it's just a matter of them each being the exact same kind of jerk. It's more like the scum layer that forms in a septic tank. Floats to the top and all.

Well said! I think you've captured the essence of the 'Deep State' Ed.

Posted by Besoeker 2017-06-18 15:54|| 2017-06-18 15:54|| Front Page Top

#11 Succinctly put, Ed - I must give you best.

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2017-06-18 17:58|| 2017-06-18 17:58|| Front Page Top

#12 It wasn't long after the presidential election of 2008 that I began to suspect someone besides the indolent Barry Soetoro and a feckless, do- nothing congress were actually in charge.
Posted by: Besoeker

I noticed no one is mentioning Al Gore, he's still making billions so I think he still has (had) some influence.

Posted by Seeking cure for ignorance 2017-06-18 21:06|| 2017-06-18 21:06|| Front Page Top

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