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2019-11-06 Caribbean-Latin America
Mexico Deploys Forces to Northern State After Nine US Mormons Killed
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Posted by Fred 2019-11-06 00:00|| E-Mail|| Front Page|| [648 views ]  Top
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#1 Those polygamy laws really suck! That's the ticket! We'll load up the kids, get Mexican passports, claim duel CIT status, learn the language, pull an extended Guyana 'Jim Jones-lite' and move to Chihuahua and Sonora. What could possibly go wrong ?
Posted by Besoeker 2019-11-06 04:44||   2019-11-06 04:44|| Front Page Top

#2 Sorry, not seeing where being polygamous means you deserve to be gunned down.
Posted by Rob Crawford 2019-11-06 05:07||   2019-11-06 05:07|| Front Page Top

#3 It doesn't but they have a notorious history, even in San Diego
Posted by Frank G 2019-11-06 05:56||   2019-11-06 05:56|| Front Page Top

#4 They found a suspect and two hostages:

https://www.disrn.com/2019/11/06/suspect-with-2-bound-hostages-arrested-in-connection-with-massacre-of-american-mormons-in-mexico/
Posted by Mercutio 2019-11-06 09:03||   2019-11-06 09:03|| Front Page Top

#5 They found a suspect and two hostages
Posted by Skidmark 2019-11-06 09:27||   2019-11-06 09:27|| Front Page Top

#6 They're American citizens. They have been murdered in the most savage way by a rival government - the actual sovereign in most of Mexico. The head of the other Mexican government, which is barely in control and is terrified of the rival Marco-sovereign state, has told us to stay out.

You don't do that to a real sovereign such as POTUS.

The proper response is chinga su madre, we will do whatever we have to in order to punish this act of defiance and ensure that it never happens to another of our citizens in your shambolic chaotic mess of a country.

Posted by Lex 2019-11-06 09:32||   2019-11-06 09:32|| Front Page Top

#7 * narco-sovereign
Posted by Lex 2019-11-06 09:33||   2019-11-06 09:33|| Front Page Top

#8 Where's Mittens' statement or did I miss it?
Posted by jpal 2019-11-06 09:56||   2019-11-06 09:56|| Front Page Top

#9 Sorry, not seeing where being polygamous means you deserve to be gunned down.

When in Rome, die like the Romans.
Posted by Skidmark 2019-11-06 10:06||   2019-11-06 10:06|| Front Page Top

#10 Mexican cartel massacre: Suspect with 2 hostages, assault rifles, bulletproof SUV arrested in border town
Posted by Skidmark 2019-11-06 10:24||   2019-11-06 10:24|| Front Page Top

#11 Heavily armed hitman of rival El Chapo cartel is arrested over Mormon massacre after a stand-off at the US border where he held two HOSTAGES as heartbreaking photos show devastated relatives visiting the scene of the massacre
Posted by Skidmark 2019-11-06 10:29||   2019-11-06 10:29|| Front Page Top

#12 #2 Sorry, not seeing where being polygamous means you deserve to be gunned down.

At this point, just being in Mexico brings that level of punishment. Fortify the Wall(c)
Posted by Procopius2k 2019-11-06 10:31||   2019-11-06 10:31|| Front Page Top

#13 Build The Moat
Posted by Lex 2019-11-06 10:49||   2019-11-06 10:49|| Front Page Top

#14 Re #2, correct.

As Sam Spade says: "When a man's partner is killed, he's supposed to do something about it. It doesn't make any difference what you thought of him. He was your partner and you're supposed to do something ..."
Posted by Lex 2019-11-06 10:52||   2019-11-06 10:52|| Front Page Top

#15 Sort of black & white. Correct me if I am wrong. The US Gov't does NOT recognize "duel cits." If you hold a Mex passport and have been living in Mexico for years, or decades, you're essentially a Mexican citizen.

If we give a Mexican US Citizenship and a passport, and something terrible happens to them here in the U.S., it is OUR responsibility to get to the bottom of it....NOT Mexico's.

Again, correct me if I am wrong. Admittedly, no less tragic.
Posted by Besoeker 2019-11-06 11:09||   2019-11-06 11:09|| Front Page Top

#16 Lets do a thought experiment. Suppose a US citizen goes to Gaza and gets killed there by the locals. What should USG do?
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2019-11-06 11:18||   2019-11-06 11:18|| Front Page Top

#17 B - Bing search sez:
Does the United States allow dual citizenship?
The United States does not outright support dual citizenship, but the law does not disallow it. Under United States law, U.S. citizens can hold additional citizenship with any country they qualify for without risk of losing their American citizenship or risk of having to denounce original citizenship upon naturalization as an U.S. citizen


As far as the responsibility, that is a bit murky. My feelings (I know...) is that they gave up their invoking a US response when they got the dual citizenship and resided permanently in the other country
Posted by Frank G 2019-11-06 11:19||   2019-11-06 11:19|| Front Page Top

#18 In my opinion, if you're eschewing your birthright to live in your land for as little as liberal allowances for your sex life, you made your bed. Literally.

Too bad about the children. It should be avenged. Strategically though, such that any bastich thinks a hundred times before attacking any non-mexican looking person in that place.
Posted by Dron66046 2019-11-06 11:21||   2019-11-06 11:21|| Front Page Top

#19 The US allows dual citizenship.
Posted by Lex 2019-11-06 11:35||   2019-11-06 11:35|| Front Page Top

#20 Strategically though, such that any bastich thinks a hundred times before attacking any non-mexican looking person in that place.

This. A punitive expedition, pour encourager les autres.
Posted by Lex 2019-11-06 11:36||   2019-11-06 11:36|| Front Page Top

#21 Regardless of the victims' citizenship, it is obvious that Mexican police can't hack it so it would be appropriate for our government to give military assistance to the Mexican government except that AMLO has refused the offer. He says war is not an option which, IMHO, means he surrenders. That means we cut off all aid and diplomatic relations with what is now a hostile narco-terror state. Enforce a travel ban as well. Finally, SECURE THE DAMN BORDER to keep that shit from spilling over into our country.

If we can identify friendly elements of the Mexican military or friendly militias, we could then offer them assistance. But Mexico is now in the control of narco-terrorists and should be treated accordingly.

And I don't care about all the U.S. companies that have their products manufactured in Mexico and then bring them into this country. It is a security risk and needs to stop. Are we gonna wait for the gunmen to start shooting up this side of the border?

As for Pierre, Pelosi, Schumer and a whole host of other Democrat luminaries, we know that cartel money has corrupted the Mexican government. The question is: How much of our own government has it corrupted?
Posted by Abu Uluque 2019-11-06 11:49||   2019-11-06 11:49|| Front Page Top

#22 Suppose a US citizen goes to Gaza and gets killed there by the locals. What should USG do?

I don’t think that’s the right thought experiment, g(r)omgoru. Try this: Suppose Suzy Creamcheese marries a Palestinian-American lad, they have three children, then the whole family moves to Gaza City. Now suppose their eldest grandson, after graduating from good ol’ Gaza City High School (summa cum laude, of course — he got the Creamcheese brains), gets shot in the kneecap while hanging with his friends near that famous fence. What should the U.S. government do?

Re: dual citizenship. When we lived abroad, I was told that if my children were born abroad, they would inherit my American citizenship. But unless they married an American born on American soil (including on an American military base) or their children were born on American soil, those grandchildren would not be American citizens. The birthright does not extend to one generation.

So it would be very interesting to know whether or not these people are actually legally American citizens, or if they are more in the nature of Barack Obama’s African-Americanness. Sure he looks the part, but it is literally only skin deep.
Posted by trailing wife 2019-11-06 12:24||   2019-11-06 12:24|| Front Page Top

#23 1. U.S. Citizenship.

2. Dual citizenship.

Per the DOS.
Posted by JohnQC 2019-11-06 12:37||   2019-11-06 12:37|| Front Page Top

#24 The point is, TW, USG should do nothing it wasn't already doing. Trump is not going to invade Mexico. Because there is no reason to do so. And lots of reasons not to do so - if only getting "Hispanic" votes away from Dems.
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2019-11-06 12:48||   2019-11-06 12:48|| Front Page Top

#25 I agree we don’t have a responsibility to go to war over those who make bad choices, g(r)omgoru. We could formally invite them to come home if they give up polygamy, though. Their refusal would clarify things nicely.

Build the wall.
Posted by trailing wife 2019-11-06 14:58||   2019-11-06 14:58|| Front Page Top

#26 ... what is now a hostile narco-terror state

Bingo. This is the essence of the problem.

At a minimum, build that damned wall, and secure it with whatever's necessary.
Posted by Lex 2019-11-06 15:07||   2019-11-06 15:07|| Front Page Top

#27 We work with elements of Mexico against the cartel.

We do not do things independently.

Because.

If the US accidently kills innocents while going after the cartels...

Mexoco has a RIGHT to declare formal war against the US.
Posted by Varmint Splat1454 2019-11-06 15:16||   2019-11-06 15:16|| Front Page Top

#28 #11 The ammo looks to be 50 cal. Some of the ammo also looks like it goes with a belt-fed MG.

Can anyone identify the weaponry against the wall?
Posted by JohnQC 2019-11-06 15:24||   2019-11-06 15:24|| Front Page Top

#29 Looks like the guns run in the Fast and Furious gun-running game.

But that'd be smothered.
Posted by Bobby 2019-11-06 16:11||   2019-11-06 16:11|| Front Page Top

#30 If the US accidently kills innocents while going after the cartels...

Mexoco has a RIGHT to declare formal war against the US.


Then we'll get to defeat them and annex another massive chunk of Mexico. We might even pay them a few hundred billion dollars or so for the land.
Posted by Zhang Fei 2019-11-06 16:15||   2019-11-06 16:15|| Front Page Top

#31 We might even pay them a few hundred billion dollars or so for the land oil.
Posted by Skidmark 2019-11-06 17:18||   2019-11-06 17:18|| Front Page Top

#32 If they declare war on us, it means every Mexican illegal in this country can be legally shot as a spy. DO IT!
Posted by Silentbrick 2019-11-06 17:29||   2019-11-06 17:29|| Front Page Top

#33 Declared or not, we already are at war with Mexico. AMLO surrendered to the cartels when he said war against them is not an option. He is no longer the legitimate president, he is a defeated former president. When the cartels smuggle fentanyl and methamphetamine into this country, it is an act of war and, since AMLO either cannot or will not do anything to stop it, he is irrelevant.
Posted by Abu Uluque 2019-11-06 18:09||   2019-11-06 18:09|| Front Page Top

#34 I would say napalm the poppy fields in Mexico but we've had the past 18 years to do the same in Afghanistan. Tony Blair said we would but we never did. Can't understand why not unless there is some kind of corruption.
Posted by Abu Uluque 2019-11-06 18:14||   2019-11-06 18:14|| Front Page Top

#35 ^ #33 Exactly. Mexico's government is no longer sovereign.

The Mexican state lacks the fundamental prerequisite of any functioning government-- a monopoly on violence-- and its timorous president has openly admitted that the state is going to abdicate its duty to maintain order against a violent, anarchic insurrection.

Mexico is a failed state.

Why on earth are we trying to fix Afghanistan's failed state when we are not honestly confronting the failed state on our own southern border?

Does this make any f---ing sense? Anyone? Bueller?
Posted by Lex 2019-11-06 21:10||   2019-11-06 21:10|| Front Page Top

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