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2022-08-12 Government Corruption
Trump calls for IMMEDIATE release of Mar-a-Lago search warrant after it was reported FBI agents were looking for classified documents about nuclear weapons in raid
Posted by Skidmark 2022-08-12 05:18|| || Front Page|| [11135 views ]  Top
 File under: Tin Hat Dictators, Presidents for Life, & Kleptocrats 

#1 Doesn't he have the warrant?
Posted by European Conservative 2022-08-12 06:51||   2022-08-12 06:51|| Front Page Top

#2 Perhaps he wants them to lay down their cards first.

If they release a "Zu einer Toccata von Bach" and he is holding a wirtshaus-maximilian.de.... there could be issues.


Posted by Besoeker 2022-08-12 06:52||   2022-08-12 06:52|| Front Page Top

#3 #1 - Apparently they sealed it without giving an actual copy to Trump or his Atty. Makes you say "WTF?", amirite?
Posted by Frank G 2022-08-12 06:59||   2022-08-12 06:59|| Front Page Top

#4 ...The warrant is still sealed, and that restriction applies to both parties - were Trump to release it himself before a judge signs off on it, it could land him in a world of hurt. The fact that he's encouraging its release may be a good thing, but we'll see.

As far as 'nuclear weapons', here's the thing - ANYTHING, no matter how trivial it may seem to normal people, involving nuclear weapons is classified unto the seventh generation, selah. It could be a single line on a single page mentioning the budget for general testing or maintenance, and it's classified. It seems like a technicality, but it's absolutely legal. And unfortunately, although the President has the absolute and unquestioned right to declassify (or classify) anything they doggone well please, if there's no paperwork to back up that action, it doesn't count.

Mike
Posted by MikeKozlowski 2022-08-12 07:04||   2022-08-12 07:04|| Front Page Top

#5 Nothing is stopping Trump from releasing the copy of the warrant he was given.
Posted by European Conservative 2022-08-12 07:27||   2022-08-12 07:27|| Front Page Top

#6 Trump's attorney was not given a copy of the warrant at the time of the raid. I don't think he has a copy yet, but I was asleep last night.
Posted by Bobby 2022-08-12 07:30||   2022-08-12 07:30|| Front Page Top

#7 Trump's lawyers have it.
Posted by European Conservative 2022-08-12 08:07||   2022-08-12 08:07|| Front Page Top

#8 ...cause it is 'sealed'. It has judicial implications that parties may not reveal contents until the 'seal' is removed. You can bet if any Trunk associated person would reveal it, they'd be prosecuted on that pretext. If they were Donks, or government agents who released it to their tool the New York Times, nothing would happen.
Posted by Procopius2k 2022-08-12 08:14||   2022-08-12 08:14|| Front Page Top

#9 Trump lawyers have said they won't publish the copy at this time, not that they are not allowed to.
Posted by European Conservative 2022-08-12 08:16||   2022-08-12 08:16|| Front Page Top

#10 'Sealed' means they can be found in contempt in the American system if they do.
Posted by Procopius2k 2022-08-12 08:26||   2022-08-12 08:26|| Front Page Top

#11 If the warrant was in any way beneficial to the dems machinations, NYT and WaPo would have already published it as a "leak."
Posted by M. Murcek 2022-08-12 08:26||   2022-08-12 08:26|| Front Page Top

#12 "Trump has a copy of it and can make it public whenever he wants, if he believes the FBI, Justice Department and the judge who approved the warrant application acted politically or otherwise in bad faith.

The search warrant, as is often the case, was sealed for a reason, and unsealing it to appease political supporters of Trump – or his detractors – would go against long-standing Justice Department policy and tradition."

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2022/08/10/mar-lago-search-warrant-mystery/10289052002/
Posted by European Conservative 2022-08-12 08:28||   2022-08-12 08:28|| Front Page Top

#13 "William Jeffress, a criminal defense attorney who represented former President Richard Nixon, agreed that Trump is "perfectly free to release the warrant and the inventory of items taken."

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-free-to-release-mar-a-lago-warrant-but-hasnt-2022-8
Posted by European Conservative 2022-08-12 08:31||   2022-08-12 08:31|| Front Page Top

#14 Wow. What part of "sealed/could be prosecuted if they (Trump's team) release it" don't you get?
Posted by Frank G 2022-08-12 08:43||   2022-08-12 08:43|| Front Page Top

#15 EC understand they're looking for anything to hammer Trump and his supporters. A Deep State lawyer can lie on a FISA application, get a slap on the wrist and a 'temporary' suspension to practice in DC. They've been going after any lawyer associated with Trump, just look at Giuliana's experience and the number of firms that have dropped Trump upon threats. I don't about 'tradition' cause the enemy doesn't care about tradition, if they can nail someone on the slightest violation they'll do it. The law says you are an officer of the court, you may not violate the rules of the court, period.
Posted by Thising Brown9954 2022-08-12 08:44||   2022-08-12 08:44|| Front Page Top

#16 The Atlantic is a once-venerated literary magazine that turned to shit went woke a few years back. I am not saying they are wrong about Trump's attorney having the warrant. I am saying I would not hang my argument on that single source alone.
Posted by SteveS 2022-08-12 09:16||   2022-08-12 09:16|| Front Page Top

#17 The DoJ may have given Trump's attorney... something. Later the "Double secret warrant" will be revealed, if it ever comes to that. I still say the entire situation is another Get Trump™ bomb that blew up in its makers' faces.

I see shredders at DoJ and FBI HQs working overtime.
Posted by M. Murcek 2022-08-12 09:31||   2022-08-12 09:31|| Front Page Top

#18 "What part of "sealed/could be prosecuted if they (Trump's team) release it" don't you get?"

It seems US Today doesn't get it either:

"Trump has a copy of it and can make it public whenever he wants, if he believes the FBI, Justice Department and the judge who approved the warrant application acted politically or otherwise in bad faith.

[...]

The reason search warrants are sealed, along with the accompanying sworn affidavit by an investigating federal law enforcement agent, is that they provide confidential details of a criminal probe that is operating in secret so as not to tip the government’s hand to those under investigation, according to David Kelley, the former interim U.S. attorney for the Southern District of New York.

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2022/08/10/mar-lago-search-warrant-mystery/10289052002/

This can't apply to the document that Trump (or his lawyers) were given. I guess this copy only contains what Trump is entitled to know at this point.

"Even if Trump decides to go public with the warrant, he only has a copy of the application for the search warrant. FBI agents never leave the document that spells out the scope and depth of the investigation, which is the affidavit, or statement of facts, filed by one of the investigating agents as part of the application for the search warrant that is presented to a judge, Laufman said."

If he weren't allowed to publish this copy he would have gotten a legal warning.
Posted by European Conservative 2022-08-12 09:46||   2022-08-12 09:46|| Front Page Top

#19 I'm not a lawyer and I've never slept in a Holiday Inn but if someone says they have a warrant to search my place but I can't see it, they can piss up a rope.
Posted by Mercutio 2022-08-12 09:56||   2022-08-12 09:56|| Front Page Top

#20 Trump lawyers have actually commented on the copy so they have it.

Anyway, we'll see the whole thing today if Trump doesn't object.
Posted by European Conservative 2022-08-12 10:11||   2022-08-12 10:11|| Front Page Top

#21 looking for docs naming the criminal kgb agents in operation crossfire hurricane

final word
Posted by Woodrow 2022-08-12 10:25||   2022-08-12 10:25|| Front Page Top

#22 I guess people still are naive about the two tiers of justice playing out these days. One set of rules for those who are and work with the Inner Party and another set of rules for those who are not.
Posted by Procopius2k 2022-08-12 10:27||   2022-08-12 10:27|| Front Page Top

#23 Can we agree at least that classified documents have no business to be stored in Mar-a-Lago?
Posted by European Conservative 2022-08-12 10:31||   2022-08-12 10:31|| Front Page Top

#24 I think something being overlooked far and wide on this situation is that it's a definite indicator that the "powers that be" have decided J6 is a damp squib, as far as its potential for ensnaring Trump.
Posted by M. Murcek 2022-08-12 10:37||   2022-08-12 10:37|| Front Page Top

#25 Ref #23: Can we agree at least that classified documents have no business to be stored in Mar-a-Lago?

My guess (and only a guess) is that the only "classified docs" to possibly be found at Mar-a-Lago were either slipped into the WH boxes while being packed, or carried into the Florida residence by the bureau.

Interesting isn't it, so much of the alleged Trump skullduggery involves matters pertaining to the Intelligence Community? I wonder why that is ?
Posted by Besoeker 2022-08-12 10:50||   2022-08-12 10:50|| Front Page Top

#26 Helsinki 2018
Posted by European Conservative 2022-08-12 11:05||   2022-08-12 11:05|| Front Page Top

#27 I suspect the "nuclear documents" at MAL is the Kim Jong-un letter(s). The DOJ is willing to say anything.
To EC, there are two parts of the sealed warrant. The part the Trump side has and the part the DOJ is still filling out.
Posted by Vespasian Ebboting9735 2022-08-12 11:24||   2022-08-12 11:24|| Front Page Top

#28 European Conservative, consider my comments from yesterday regarding the Ratcliffe Declassification of the classified holdings regarding criminal abuse by the FBI contractors in 2016 to spy on Trump before the election. Ratcliffe declassified those docs at Trumps direction, a Presdential Power, but there appears to be a claim brewing that the agencies didn't agree they were declassified based on protecting sources and methods. So Trump would think holding them was legal as declassified Presidential papers, and the FBI/Deep State could contend they were still TS/SCI documents.
My comment From Yesterday:
"The complex declassification miasma at the end of the Part 3 article explains in excruciating detail the trap the Deep State/DoJ/FBI have used to keep the final declassification from being completed. It is stunning in its complexity but essentially, even the Presidential Power seems stymied."

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/08/11/part-3-why-did-the-doj-and-fbi-execute-the-raid-on-trump-a-culmination-of-four-years-of-threats-and-betrayals/#more-236402
Posted by NoMoreBS 2022-08-12 13:14||   2022-08-12 13:14|| Front Page Top

#29 Just a reminder:

* The people making this accusation looked the other way when the Obama Administration doxxed every covert agent from the previous forty years by transferring the OPM database management to Communist China.

* They also looked the other way at the creation of the Sars-CoV-2 virus via funding by Peter Daszak.

* It's all fake drama meant to distract from very real atrocities and protect the perpetrators thereof.
Posted by Thing From Snowy Mountain 2022-08-12 14:06||   2022-08-12 14:06|| Front Page Top

#30 It's Fitzmas™ v99.08082022.6789. Over / under on leftie / dem / media shoulder shrugs and shift to the Next Current Thing: 2 weeks.
Posted by M. Murcek 2022-08-12 14:10||   2022-08-12 14:10|| Front Page Top

#31  European Conservative - Why would you believe anything the Bolsheviks of the Democratic party and the Deep State have to say?

Serious question!
Posted by 3dc 2022-08-12 14:20||   2022-08-12 14:20|| Front Page Top

#32 I did a search for "Trump walls closing in". The earliest article was from December 2016, or about a month after he was elected. This has become sort of like the Road Runner cartoons.
Posted by Matt 2022-08-12 14:41||   2022-08-12 14:41|| Front Page Top

#33 Let me guess....Russian Nukes!

No no no no, that would be Hillary! and her uranium transfers, keep going, nothing to see there.

I know...North Korean Nukes! dunn dunn duuunnn.
Posted by swksvolFF 2022-08-12 14:51||   2022-08-12 14:51|| Front Page Top

#34 Or maybe, giving up the locations of every nuclear armed British submarine! dunn dunn duuunnn.

Wait wait wait..who was that again? So incurious.
Posted by swksvolFF 2022-08-12 14:53||   2022-08-12 14:53|| Front Page Top

#35 Someone is getting intellectually curb-stomped here...
Posted by M. Murcek 2022-08-12 15:04||   2022-08-12 15:04|| Front Page Top

#36 "Why would you believe anything the Bolsheviks of the Democratic party and the Deep State have to say?"

It's not about believing someone. Consider me the German who's from Missouri.

I run a company, and if an employee who's been terminated took home sensitive company documents, he'd be in a world of hurt.

It seems to be an undisputed fact that Trump DID take documents (classified or not). We know that because he actually returned some of them after negotiations.

I still wonder: Why did he take them in the first place? Sentimental value? A love letter from Kim?
Posted by European Conservative 2022-08-12 15:37||   2022-08-12 15:37|| Front Page Top

#37 See above EC. They are the smoking gun documents that prove the illegal use of our NSA resources to spy on Trump during the 2016 campaign. See the link posted above for the details. The were declassified by the Director of National Intelligence before his departure from office. It is the Intel Community trying to have the DoJ and FBI assert that they were not, in fact, properly de-classified based on protecting sources and methods. This is setting up the protracted legal fight over the President's classification authority, but will actually allow for a protracted legal battle to bar him from the 2024 nomination pending its outcome. He kept the docs because upon a return to office, they name names and criminal acts that would crucify many of the faces behind the puppet show! Thus the desperation and motive for so unprecedented an act against a former President.
Posted by NoMoreBS 2022-08-12 15:57||   2022-08-12 15:57|| Front Page Top

#38 I doubt Trump packed the boxes or gave any thought to classified documents. Careless staff sorters and packers yes. Malicious Orange Man, probably not.
Posted by Besoeker 2022-08-12 15:58||   2022-08-12 15:58|| Front Page Top

#39 Au contraire my friend, they are the keys to destroying the Puppet Show!
Posted by NoMoreBS 2022-08-12 15:59||   2022-08-12 15:59|| Front Page Top

#40 Trump Raid Warrant Reveals What DOJ Thinks It Has on Him

Includes links to warrant and two-page list of property carted off.
Posted by Bobby 2022-08-12 16:27||   2022-08-12 16:27|| Front Page Top

#41 EC. With COVID so many people have been working from home and so many offices were closed because of COVID that argument holds no water. NONE.
Your workers would not have been able to work from home without sensitive documents because in today's corporations every document is considered sensitive. You need documents to work from home.
Posted by 3dc 2022-08-12 16:32||   2022-08-12 16:32|| Front Page Top

#42 I'm talking about employees taking home company documents AFTER their contract has been terminated.
Posted by European Conservative 2022-08-12 16:39||   2022-08-12 16:39|| Front Page Top

#43 Let's fine tune this analogy a bit: Let's assume *you* are the CEO of the company, the records in question are your personal notes and records of meetings and expenses. You consider them your property. The government says the records pertain to your taxes and so belong to them.

Can we assume you are guilty?
Posted by SteveS 2022-08-12 17:14||   2022-08-12 17:14|| Front Page Top

#44 https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/08/12/mar-a-lago-search-warrant-unsealed-the-most-urgent-critical-national-security-issue-in-the-history-of-all-time-had-seven-days-to-execute/#more-236463

CTH Quote Today:

I think we already know what documents the FBI and DOJ were on a mission to retrieve, and they had nothing to do with nuclear secrets. Try to avoid the shiny things, the pushed narrative, and keep the full context of the last SEVEN YEARS of DC targeting operations as the primary intellectual filter.

Donald Trump held evidence of a politically weaponized U.S. intelligence and justice system. To include an extensive paper trail showing how the DC apparatus under the Obama-era intelligence system, Dept of Homeland Security, Office of the Director of National Security, Dept of Justice and FBI coordinated with the Hillary Clinton campaign to install her into office {Go Deep}. THAT is the top-secret classified intelligence that must NEVER reach sunlight.
Posted by NoMoreBS 2022-08-12 17:35||   2022-08-12 17:35|| Front Page Top

#45 EC so having documents at home, when you worked from home, prior to being terminated would not be a violation. Think about it. Think hard about it. For a long long time...
Hell they might even be in your deleted files in windows like a president's drug addicted son's laptop.
Posted by 3dc 2022-08-12 17:39||   2022-08-12 17:39|| Front Page Top

#46 Do knee-jerk Never Trumpers ever think at all? Can they?
Posted by M. Murcek 2022-08-12 17:46||   2022-08-12 17:46|| Front Page Top

#47 Oh and is he a real president or a patsy installed by a coup of the deep state and the Democratic (Bolshevik) Uni-Party?

I remember taking heat in Pub in the City of London over him for stealing a speech from Lord Kinnock the leader of the Labour Party.

I was living a penthouse of the company I worked for then in first Apt building just behind and part of the Barbican Centre and Kinnock was in the next building. The man razzing me was the bartender at a different place - The Barbican Hotel who was the head of the local communist party in that part of the City Of London.

I was laughing my head off with the commie bartender that anybody would be so stupid as to plagiarize Kinnock.
Posted by 3dc 2022-08-12 17:51||   2022-08-12 17:51|| Front Page Top

#48 I'm talking about employees taking home company documents AFTER their contract has been terminated.

Well, when the "company" has been funding stuff like Ecohealth Alliance, and creating artificial viruses to kill large numbers of people, it's kind of immoral not to break the classification laws and steal whatever evidence of malfeaseance is available. IMHO. (Hypothetically speaking).

Posted by Thing From Snowy Mountain 2022-08-12 18:17||   2022-08-12 18:17|| Front Page Top

#49 "Let's fine tune this analogy a bit: Let's assume *you* are the CEO of the company, the records in question are your personal notes and records of meetings and expenses. You consider them your property. The government says the records pertain to your taxes and so belong to them."

First of all, I'm not the CEO of my company, I'm its sole owner. So I can do with the documents what I please. I still need to follow legal requirements (for tax purposes, government regulations etc.).

A CEO doesn't own his company. He might have a lot of discretion with what he can do with company documents, but this power ends when he's rfelieved of his post. So the company can ask or force this Ex-CEO to return company documents. They are not his property.

Presidential records are the property of the United States.
Posted by European Conservative 2022-08-12 18:17||   2022-08-12 18:17|| Front Page Top

#50 I hope it isn't new-clear weapons; the Great War of Enunciation in the early 2000s was brutal. Friends lost, lives ruined, semantics in shatters. Drunken unemployed bar flies telling graduates of college chemistry and physics, "You're saying it wrong!" Mass ruin.
Posted by swksvolFF 2022-08-12 18:33||   2022-08-12 18:33|| Front Page Top

#51 If the President doesn't have the authority to declassify documents then damn sure the head of the CIA shouldn't have the authority to classify anything either.

The President is mentioned in the Constitution, powermad praetorians running the CIA or FBI aren't.

Part of this dispute is built around the idea that the people who are really the President's employees have authority but the President himself doesn't.
Posted by Thing From Snowy Mountain 2022-08-12 18:38||   2022-08-12 18:38|| Front Page Top

#52 It was new-culur. And it drove a lot of people out of their minds.
Posted by M. Murcek 2022-08-12 18:39||   2022-08-12 18:39|| Front Page Top

#53 Presidential records are the property of the United States.

Except for Bath House Barry's. Also, who knows how much of Billy Jeff's "work product" was disappeared?
Posted by M. Murcek 2022-08-12 18:41||   2022-08-12 18:41|| Front Page Top

#54 CTH calls the the Fourth Branch of Government TFSM. Its their power that they think superseded that of the President. And they aren't accountable to anyone except themselves, hidden behind the National Security apparatus many of us, me included so carefully built and Obama/Holder weaponized. This is existential for them because Trump plans to drive a stake into it when reelected.
Posted by NoMoreBS 2022-08-12 18:45||   2022-08-12 18:45|| Front Page Top

#55 property of the United States

In practical terms, that's "We the people" that it all property of.
Posted by M. Murcek 2022-08-12 18:46||   2022-08-12 18:46|| Front Page Top

#56 Here's some of the stuff we're upset about but you keep looking away from in favor of the pretend-offenses of Emmanuel Orangestein:

Anthony Fauci Jokes About Origins of the Coronavirus: ‘I Developed the Ancestral Model Strain’.

Here's some more, although I can't find the original. I have it on my hard drive, I mean on youtube.

Posted by Thing From Snowy Mountain 2022-08-12 18:51||   2022-08-12 18:51|| Front Page Top

#57 EC - You would not perchance be a member of the Bilderberg Group?
Like in this common conspiracy theory?
Posted by 3dc 2022-08-12 20:45||   2022-08-12 20:45|| Front Page Top

#58 Noted German members of Bilderberg Group (Wikipeida)
Germany

Joschka Fischer (2008), Foreign Minister 1998–2005[48]
Ursula von der Leyen (2015-2016, 2018–2019),[16][49][50] Minister of Defence
Thomas de Maizière (2016),[16] Minister of the Interior, Federal Ministry of the Interior
Angela Merkel (2005), German Chancellor[48]
Wolfgang Schäuble (2016),[16] Minister of Finance
Helmut Schmidt, West German Chancellor[14]
Klaus Schwab (2016),[16] Executive Chairman, World Economic Forum
Jens Spahn (2017),[29] Parliamentary State Secretary and Federal Ministry of Finance
Peer Steinbrück (2011), German Chancellor Candidate[51]
Linda Teuteberg (2019),[50] General Secretary, Free Democratic Party
Stanislaw Tillich (2016),[16] Minister-President of Saxony
Jürgen Trittin (2012), Environment Minister 1998–2005[48]
Guido Westerwelle (2007),[52] Chairman of the Free Democratic Party of Germany and Minister of Foreign Affairs of Germany (deceased)
Posted by 3dc 2022-08-12 21:01||   2022-08-12 21:01|| Front Page Top

#59 From the warrant:

“c. Any government and/or Presidential Records created between January 20, 2017, and January 20, 2021“
Posted by Sloluse Slutle9788 2022-08-12 22:27||   2022-08-12 22:27|| Front Page Top

#60 48 Hour Rule, guys. Events are moving quickly around this thing, and soon enough we will have facts, not just speculation and cries of rage published from both sides of the political spectrum... though the number of those who until Wednesday were anti-Trump and are now appalled at what the FBI and the Justice Dept have wrought is growing — a hopeful sign for the Republic.

In the meantime, a recollection that European Conservative in on our side, even if he has never liked or trusted Mr. Trump, is in order, and vice versa.
Posted by trailing wife 2022-08-12 23:14||   2022-08-12 23:14|| Front Page Top

#61 Trump stated that the President has sole authority to classify or declassify all documents.
Posted by Sloluse Slutle9788 2022-08-12 23:51||   2022-08-12 23:51|| Front Page Top

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