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-Lurid Crime Tales-
Failed car jacking and robbery.
I saved this one after viewing a dozen times.
Posted by: Besoeker || 10/03/2014 00:00 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  :)

Keeper.

Note you may have to use the switch player button to get it to start.
Posted by: Shipman || 10/03/2014 1:09 Comments || Top||

#2  Actually should read 'armed robbery.' I had car jacking on my brain due to a separate unrelated event.
Posted by: Besoeker || 10/03/2014 4:34 Comments || Top||

#3  No wonder Liberals hate guns so much.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 10/03/2014 5:56 Comments || Top||

#4  He needs range time. There should be three dead perps laying in his yard.
Posted by: Injun Ulomoque8628 || 10/03/2014 9:15 Comments || Top||


-Obits-
WWII veteran given Viking funeral; Coast Guard agreed to Norse send-off
World War II veteran Andrew Haines decided years ago that he wanted a Norse-inspired funeral upon his death, and the U.S. Coast Guard obliged.

Mr. Haines, who emigrated from Norway in 1927, scaled down blueprints for a 100-foot ship to a few feet in the years before he died. It was then up to the Coast Guard to decide whether it would ignite the boat and send-off Mr. Haines‘ cremated remains in accordance with his wishes.

Posted by: Beavis || 10/03/2014 11:34 || Comments || Link || [5 views] Top|| File under:


-Short Attention Span Theater-
A Soused Sow
Forget crocodiles and snakes, the real animal threat in Australia is wild pigs. At least if you’re camping.
99 bottles of beer in the tent, 99 bottles of beer.
At a campground in Western Australia over the weekend, a feral pig guzzled down 18 beers that had been left out improperly secured. And just like anyone 18 beers in at a rural dive bar, the pig got big-headed and decided to start a fight with a cow, resulting in the cow chasing the pig around a car.
"Commere, cow, I'm sick of chicken".
“In the middle of the night these people camping opposite us heard a noise, so they got their torch out and shone it on the pig and there he was, scrunching away at their cans,” said a visitor.
"MMM beer" wonder if it was Duff's.
The pig was later reported sleeping his hangover (and shame of trying to take down a cow?) off under a tree.
I wonder if he saw pink elephants.
While feral pigs are considered an invasive pest in many parts of the country, it’s also a reminder to keep food and drink secured when camping. Just imagine if it had been a drunk kangaroo.
Posted by: Deacon Blues || 10/03/2014 07:45 || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  There's an Arkansas joke trying to get out of this story.
Posted by: Shipman || 10/03/2014 12:07 Comments || Top||

#2  The real tragedy was that the beer was "improperly secured".

Most campsites I've been to only have 'empties' laying about 'unsecured' (also called by another name that is 'racially insensitive').
Posted by: Mullah Richard || 10/03/2014 12:19 Comments || Top||

#3  Feral pigs are a major consequence of too strict gun control.
Posted by: AlanC || 10/03/2014 13:02 Comments || Top||

#4  They're pretty damn tasty too.
Posted by: BrerRabbit || 10/03/2014 15:25 Comments || Top||

#5  "I wonder if he saw pink elephants."

Naaahhhh - pink cows. ;-p
Posted by: Barbara || 10/03/2014 16:35 Comments || Top||


-Signs, Portents, and the Weather-
NBC News cameraman has Ebola, network reports
[CNN] An American cameraman working for NBC News in Liberia has tested positive for Ebola, the network reported Thursday.

He will return to the United States for treatment.

The freelance cameraman, Ashoka Mukpo, 33, was hired Tuesday and came down with symptoms on Wednesday, NBC News reported.

"We are doing everything we can to get him the best care possible. He will be flown back to the United States for treatment at a medical center that is equipped to handle Ebola patients," NBC News President Deborah Turness reportedly said in a note to staff.

"We are also taking all possible measures to protect our employees and the general public," she said.

According to NBC News, he was hired to be a second cameraman for Dr. Nancy Snyderman, NBC News chief medical editor and correspondent.
Posted by: Fred || 10/03/2014 13:22 || Comments || Link || [9 views] Top|| File under:

#1  He will return to the United States for treatment.
I wonder if GITMO might not be a better containment/treatment center.
Posted by: Skidmark || 10/03/2014 14:10 Comments || Top||

#2  It seems the CDC downplays the threat of ebola. If ebola were as difficult to contract as the CDC says, how did a camera man get ebola? It wouldn't seem like he would have physical contact with some one with ebola. Airborne virus like the flu?
Posted by: JohnQC || 10/03/2014 16:28 Comments || Top||

#3  Saw a story somewhere (call it a rumor) that he was wearing protection (whatever that means) but got splashed (whatever that means).

Or maybe it was the fruit bat canapes at the after-work happy hour.
Posted by: SteveS || 10/03/2014 17:58 Comments || Top||


Louis Farrakhan: The truth about Eboli
Hat tip to Revered Farrakhan [always the voice of reason] for clearing that one up for us.
Posted by: Besoeker || 10/03/2014 04:57 || Comments || Link || [7 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I prefer this Louie -makes as much sense as Farrakahn on this issue

Posted by: OldSpook || 10/03/2014 12:34 Comments || Top||

#2  MSNBC says it's the fault of the NRA
Posted by: Deacon Blues || 10/03/2014 14:24 Comments || Top||

#3  Gotta admit if the US was really as horrible as he says, Farrakhan would be a hero risking daily assassination attempts for exposing the truth.

Of course he also might be a scoundral playing off the ignorance of his followers and using the press to get headlines.
Posted by: rjschwarz || 10/03/2014 14:52 Comments || Top||

#4  Does anyone remember the 1979 film "Christ Stopped at Eboli"? If you believe in omens this is kind of creepy.....
Posted by: Mercutio || 10/03/2014 15:10 Comments || Top||

#5  Farrakhan suffers from brain rot. He said the same thing about AIDS. He never thinks that such a pandemic which would ensue would affect everyone--blacks, whites, and Asians. If whites were so powerful why wouldn't we come up with a virus that would only target black people if what he said were true? However, there will be some group out there who will believe him and hate whitey. I suppose spreading hatred is what he is trying to do--certainly not spreading truth. Toss him and his hate-filled screed into the trash can.
Posted by: JohnQC || 10/03/2014 16:18 Comments || Top||

#6  Facts are slippery things when you have greasy mind.
Posted by: ed in texas || 10/03/2014 19:29 Comments || Top||


US: Impossible regulations confuse issue of Ebola waste disposal
Experts have warned that conflicting U.S. regulations over how Ebola-related medical waste should be transported could make it very difficult for U.S. hospitals to safely care for patients with Ebola.

Safely handling such waste presents a dual challenge for regulators, who want to both prevent the accidental spread of the deadly disease and avert any deliberate attempts to use it as a bioweapon.

Sterilizing Ebola waste before it is transported is important not only to protect waste haulers but to guard against someone using the waste "for nefarious purposes," said Sean Kaufman, ‎president of Behavioral-Based Improvement Solutions, an Atlanta-based biosafety firm.

Most US hospitals are not equipped with the proper incinerators and sterilizers to render such waste harmless. This has been known for some time.

The CDC advises hospitals to treat items infected with the Ebola virus in leak-proof containers and discard them as they would other biohazards that fall into the category of "regulated medical waste."

But the US DOT deems Ebola a Category A infectious agent, meaning it is capable of killing people and animals, and not "regulated medical waste," a category in which pathogens are not capable of causing harm.

Waste management contractors who normally handle hazardous hospital waste say they cannot legally haul the material.

Already the issue has created problems. When Emory University Hospital in Atlanta was preparing to care for two U.S. missionaries infected with Ebola in West Africa in its high-security biocontainment unit, their waste hauler, Stericycle, initially refused to handle it.

Bags of Ebola waste quickly began piling up until the hospital worked out the issues with the help of the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

CDC spokesman Tom Skinner said the waste management problem has not been resolved yet。
We need some "top men" to resolve this issue. Two years ago..
Posted by: Anguper Hupomosing9418 || 10/03/2014 02:07 || Comments || Link || [4 views] Top|| File under:


Caribbean-Latin America
Mexico arrests drug lord Hector Beltran Leyva
The Mexican authorities say they have captured the head of a drug crime syndicate, Hector Beltran Leyva. They say DNA testing is being done to confirm his identity.

This is the latest in a string of high-profile drug arrests in the country and if confirmed will be seen as a victory for President Enrique Pena Neto.

The US authorities had offered a reward of up to $5m for information leading to Beltran Leyva's capture.

Hector Beltran Leyva assumed the leadership of the cartel named after his brother Arturo, when the latter was killed in a shootout with Mexican troops in 2009. Their cartel, known as the ABL, is responsible for arms and drug trafficking to and from the United States as well as kidnapping, murder and torture in Mexico.

Two more Beltran Leyva brothers are already in prison. Correspondents say the cartel has been on the decline in recent years. If confirmed, the arrest comes a few months after the capture of Joaquin "El Chapo" Guzman, the boss of the Sinaloa cartel, which is considered the most powerful narco mob in Mexico.
Posted by: Pappy || 10/03/2014 00:00 || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:


Caucasus/Russia/Central Asia
"90 percent" of Donetsk airport in militia hands


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By Chris Covert
Rantburg.com

After weeks of near constant shelling by Ukrainian Army units occupying the Donetsk airport, the prime minister of Donetsk announced Thursday that militias have taken 90 percent of the territory of the airport, according to the pro Russian Voice of Sevastopol news outlet.

According to the latest report Ukrainian military units still hold positions at the old terminal.

In the past three days, militia forces have converged on the area in a concerted effort to eject Ukrainian forces from the airport, said at the time to include elements of the 25th Air mobile brigade and 79th Brigade and unidentified territorial defense units.

The word is now, according to the blogger Colonel Cassad, that the 25th Airmobile Brigade has received orders and is proceeding to retreat from the airfield towards Dnepropetrovsk.

The 79th Brigade has reportedly received its orders to evacuate the airport, but has yet to move as of this writing.

Only two days ago the area was reinforced with about 850 Ukrainian effectives in an attempt to hold the airport. Despite orders to evacuate the airport, militias report that a Ukrainian tank unit was seen moving south from Artyomovsk to Avdeyevka.

Virtually since the start of the war last May, Ukrainian military units have occupied the airport, using it as a base to shell parts of Donetsk, attacks of which have been a daily event despite the September 19th ceasefire.

Wednesday a Ukrainian fire mission struck a school, No 57 -- In Kievsky district -- killing four adults who were passing by the area. No school children were harmed in the attack. October 1st was the start of the school year in Donetsk.

According to Voice of Sevastopol, a total of 11 were killed in artillery attacks, including one artillery shell which hit a public bus. Districts included in the artillery strikes were the Putilovsky and Kuibyshevsky districts

Until Thursday, Ukrainian artillery units at the airport were firing with militia troops less than 250 meters away, but now, according to reports, Ukrainian troops are holed up in the airport, and are not firing artillery. One area of the airport was said to be a nuclear blast strong shelter used by the Ukrainian military against attacks, both direct fire and artillery fire.

Elsewhere in Donetsk, fighting continues as Ukrainian rocket artillery units launched artillery strikes in other areas of Donetsk including the Railway Market where a reported eight people were hurt. A total of 40 were wounded in artillery strikes in Donetsk and are at hospitals. Another 11 were killed.

According to the Russian military journalist Colonel Cassad a Swiss Red Cross worker was killed by a Ukrainian artillery mission in Donetsk Thursday. He has been identified as Laurent Etienne DuPasquier.

Ukrainian MRL and 120mm mortar units fired missions from Peski and at targets in Panfilova, Budenovsky, Putilovsky, Skochinskiy-Biryuzovaya and Kievsky districts and at the villages of Vetki, Spartak and Severnoye. Peski has been an area on constant fighting and has been held by both sides.

Lugansk

In Lugansk, Ukrainian artillery units firing from positions north of Schastye hit Vesyolaya Gora and the town of Stakhanov . The shelling was said to be constant.

Further west, militias attacked the Ukrainian Territorial Defense Battalion Battalion "Aydar" near the settlement of Smeloye in the Slavyanoserbsky district. Another infantry fight was reported at Troitskoye, which is south of Smeloye.

Chris Covert writes about foreign military issues for Rantburg.com. He can be reached at grurkka@gmail.com
Posted by: badanov || 10/03/2014 00:00 || Comments || Link || [5 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Graf Tolstoy
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 10/03/2014 10:39 Comments || Top||


Europe
'I will be acquitted,' Karadzic tells court
[ARABNEWS] Radovan Karadzic did not know of the 1995 massacre of thousands of Moslems at Srebrenica, his lawyer said Thursday, with the former Bosnian Serb leader defiantly telling the UN tribunal he would be acquitted.

"There is not a single piece of evidence that Dr. Karadzic planned or ordered the execution of prisoners (at Srebrenica), or that he knew about it," his legal adviser Peter Robinson told the Hague-based UN Yugoslav war crimes court.

"In fact they (the events) were concealed from him and therefore he is not guilty of genocide," Robinson said in the second and final day of the defense's closing arguments before the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia (ICTY).
Posted by: Fred || 10/03/2014 00:00 || Comments || Link || [6 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I wouldn't be so jolly over their inability to convict, Radovan.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 10/03/2014 5:52 Comments || Top||


Lithuania accuses Russia of violating international maritime laws over fishing boat seizure
Russia has been accused by Lithuania of violating international maritime laws after seizing a Lithuanian fishing boat with a crew of 30.

The EU protested earlier over the 18 September incident, saying Russian border guards had conducted a "forced apprehension" of the vessel. Russia says the vessel, Juros Vilkas, was illegally fishing for crabs - a claim denied by Lithuania. It is now in the Russian port of Murmansk awaiting a court ruling.

Rasa Jakilaitiene, a spokeswoman for Lithuania's foreign ministry, told reporters the Juros Vilkas had been in international waters when it was seized in the Barents Sea. She said that assessment was supported by satellite data. Russia's foreign ministry said the fishing boat had been detained after guards found it in the country's exclusive economic waters - an internationally recognised area of sea with rights for a particular nation.

The Lithuanian government acknowledged the boat had been in an agreed Russian fisheries zone but insisted it had a right to be there.

A Russian court will decide on 7 October whether to release the vessel, AFP news agency reports. Lawyer Vladimir Odiagailo told the agency that the crew, which includes Lithuanian and Russian nationals, had "not been detained and is still on the boat, anchored in the port of Murmansk".
Posted by: Pappy || 10/03/2014 00:00 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:


India-Pakistan
Officials: Pakistan Set to Record Highest Number of Polio Cases
Posted by: trailing wife || 10/03/2014 00:14 || Comments || Link || [9 views] Top|| File under:

#1  perhaps the only thing that Pakistan excels at is contracting polio
Posted by: lord garth || 10/03/2014 11:14 Comments || Top||


TV show host, four others booked on blasphemy charge
[DAWN] A host of a morning show aired by a private TV channel has been booked with four other people on charges of blasphemy.

The case was registered at the Margalla cop shoppe on Wednesday on a complaint of the chairman of the Namoos-e-Risalat Forum, Rao Abdul Rahim.
Same guy, same organization that tried to have Facebook banned two years ago...
Mr Rahim, a lawyer, said that in one of her programmes the host had staged fake marriage of two men and two women and misused a song honouring the wedding of Hazrat Ali (RA) and Bibi Fatima (RA).

He said a complaint against the suspects was lodged with the cop shoppe in June but they refused to register the FIR.

Later, a petition was filed in the Islamabad High Court.

The IHC ordered the police to register the case but they took months to do so, the complainant said.

Police said the case had been registered under the Pakistain Penal Code's section 295A (deliberate and malicious acts intended to outrage religious feelings of any class by insulting its religion or religious beliefs), 295C (use of derogatory remarks, etc., in respect of the Holy Prophet -- peace be upon him) and 298A (use of derogatory remarks, etc., in respect of holy personages).
Posted by: Fred || 10/03/2014 00:00 || Comments || Link || [13 views] Top|| File under: Govt of Pakistan

#1  Jon Stewart?
Posted by: Skidmark || 10/03/2014 1:49 Comments || Top||

#2  more like Jerry Springer
Posted by: Bov Flimbers || 10/03/2014 4:23 Comments || Top||

#3 
Posted by: Big Thromoth3646 || 10/03/2014 8:32 Comments || Top||

#4  There is no Clown Nose On in darislaam.
Posted by: swksvolFF || 10/03/2014 12:07 Comments || Top||

#5  Thought it might be Dearborn.
Posted by: bigjim-CA || 10/03/2014 18:01 Comments || Top||

#6  deliberate and malicious acts intended to outrage religious feelings of any class by insulting its religion or religious beliefs

Man, that could be the tag line for any number of TV/Hollywood products. I think you guys are doing it wrong.
Posted by: SteveS || 10/03/2014 18:33 Comments || Top||


Overnight malkhana robbery at 'heavily guarded' city courts
[DAWN] KARACHI: A thief broke into the malkhana on the heavily guarded premises of the City Courts late on Tuesday night and decamped with case properties containing cash, jewellery and other valuables, said police on Wednesday.

Police said that when the staff of malkhana (storehouse of case property) opened the facility early on Wednesday morning, they found many articles scattered all over the place and some of them missing. A wall was partly broken down.

The case properties of Aziz Bhatti, Saudabad and other cop shoppes containing over Rs600,000, jewellery, mobile phone sets and other valuables had been stolen, said the police.

Paperwork was started but nothing else was done against an unidentified suspect under Sections 380 (theft in a dwelling, house) and 457 (lurking house-trespass or house-breaking by night in order to commit offence punishable with imprisonment) of the Pakistain Penal Code on a complaint lodged by ASI Ghulam Mustafa, in-charge of the district east section of the malkhana at the City Courts cop shoppe.

The warehouse facility is located on the premises of the courts and almost adjacent to the City Courts cop shoppe.

Legal experts said the case of the prosecution would suffer irreparable damage if the case property had been robbed or gone missing before its production in court until it was justified through a proper FIR specifically mentioning missing articles.

Police officials said that Sherlocks were questioning two coppers responsible for the security of the malkhana and the suspects would be nominated in the FIR if anything credible came up during the course of investigation.

"The Sherlocks are also looking into the possibility of labourers or people other than the coppers having done the job. Construction work is also going on at the moment at the malkhana. It is also accessed by outsiders including labourers and other people. So along with the two coppers, we are also questioning the labourers," said DIG-South Barrister Abdul Khaliq Sheikh.

A month ago, on Sept 2, three coppers were tossed in the clink
Drop the gat, Rocky, or you're a dead 'un!
for stealing four kilograms of hashish from the malkhana. The coppers were part of a team shifting case properties to containers near the storage facility when they stole the hashish but were soon caught by coppers at the main gate when they were about to leave the courts on a cycle of violence.
Posted by: Fred || 10/03/2014 00:00 || Comments || Link || [8 views] Top|| File under: Govt of Pakistan


Science & Technology
American cameraman for NBC News diagnosed with Ebola in Liberia
An American freelance television cameraman working for NBC News in Liberia has tested positive for the Ebola virus and will be flown back to the United States for treatment, the network said on Thursday in its own online report.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 10/03/2014 06:03 || Comments || Link || [7 views] Top|| File under:

#1  NBC will do anything to boost ratings.

My apologies in advance for the insensitive nature of my comment.
Posted by: airandee || 10/03/2014 6:29 Comments || Top||

#2  Insensitive. When dealing with journalists. How is it possible?
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 10/03/2014 7:17 Comments || Top||

#3  So, he got what he went after. If he lives, he'll write a book, it gets make into movie, he's played by Ben Affleck. If he doesn't live, well, that's the only part that changes.
Posted by: ed in texas || 10/03/2014 7:28 Comments || Top||

#4  Stupid doesn't live to be old. AND he works for NBC.
Posted by: Big Thromoth3646 || 10/03/2014 8:20 Comments || Top||

#5  More good news: we know Typhoid Mary puked all over the sidewalk outside the apartment. That was on Sunday.

Yesterday, a cleaning crew hired by the CDC hosed down the site with a pressure washer. They wore no special gear. Guess what else pressure washers do? Make aerosols.

Anyone who insists ebola can't spread through aerosols is talking out their a$$.

CDC guidance:

Health care staff should avoid performing aerosol-generating procedures on suspected or confirmed patients. If performing these procedures, personal protective equipment should include respiratory protection – N95 filtering facepiece respirator or higher – and the procedure should be performed in an airborne isolation room.

So. Count those poor bastards as exposures, who are not being monitored.

Further, the mess sat there for 4-5 days, where birds and animals could sniff and lick at it. Then fly away, or go home and lick their owners.

So now there's a possibility of a natural animal reservoir in the Dallas area. That's why there are repeated outbreaks in Africa.

But don't worry, the regime has everything under control.
Posted by: RandomJD || 10/03/2014 8:54 Comments || Top||

#6  Natural animal reservoir is mammalian, not avian. Bats. Fruit bats in its native environs. Doubtful any native reservoirs exist for this in the urban Dallas area in any significant numbers.

As far as precautions the CDC cites this is no big deal, and not news. Contact and droplet isolation are routinely done at any hospital: this means gloves, mask, gown and a face shield (eye protection).

If the cleaning crew was using a contact solution (5% bleach as is typical for this sort of bio cleaning) in their washers, then the aerosol stuff is not a concern. If they are using tap water, then there might be an issue - it depends on how long the virus lives outside the body in fluids, which typically is measured in hours, not days. Fomite transmission is very unlikely as a source.

Specific surfaces and substances listed and tested here. The entire journal article is here

Posted by: OldSpook || 10/03/2014 9:50 Comments || Top||

#7  OldSpook,

a couple of points come to mind:
1) You're probably right about risk levels.
2) The panic level should be kept to a minimum.
3) Nobody in gov't. CDC is trustworthy so the first two points are probably moot.

The CDC used to have credibility but such crusades as gun control and obesity and second hand smoking have overdrawn that account.
Posted by: AlanC || 10/03/2014 10:04 Comments || Top||

#8  CDC includedis trustworthy

fixed the fat finger.
Posted by: AlanC || 10/03/2014 10:05 Comments || Top||

#9  3) Nobody in gov't, CDC included, is trustworthy so the first two points are probably moot.

Exactly my underlying assumption, AlanC. The CDC has become as politicized as any other agency. I assume competency levels are about the same as at the Secret Service and the VA.
Posted by: RandomJD || 10/03/2014 11:02 Comments || Top||

#10  OS, I'm sure you're right. I meant only to illustrate that it's not a closed system, but a leaky one. Ebola is also not some overhyped garden-variety virus like swine flu or SARS. I think people should be worried, and paying attention, and not counting on Uncle Sugar to keep us safe.

The Case For Panic

"These dangers are real, and pressing, and though the probability of their occurrence is not high, it is amplified by the staggering incompetence and failure and misplaced priorities of the U.S. government. It is not Ebola I am afraid of. It is our government’s ability to deal with Ebola."
Posted by: RandomJD || 10/03/2014 11:15 Comments || Top||

#11  Odd thing is, flu spreads a lot more quickly and easily than Ebola. Same goes for that Enterovius D68 that's putting scores of kids in hospitals across the US.
Posted by: OldSpook || 10/03/2014 11:38 Comments || Top||

#12  Re: Bats as resovior for Ebola.

Buoyem bat-caves closed to tourists over Ebola

I can think of a good use for a few Thermobaric weapons....
Posted by: Martin de Medici6501 || 10/03/2014 11:46 Comments || Top||

#13  ? More stumble-bum allegations, from this morning's ABC news (just an excerpt):
Patient Zero's nephew, Joe Weeks, told ABC News: he
had concerns that the hospital wasn't aware that Duncan may have been infected with Ebola. Weeks said that he called the hospital to report his concerns about Duncan’s condition – and when he didn’t get the reaction he wanted, he called officials at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the Department of Health, at which point Duncan was put in isolation.

“They had him in the ER, like any other patient, and I didn’t think that was the right procedure,” Weeks said.

“I don’t know how long it was going to take, but I wasn’t trying to wait to see how long it was going to take, so I pre-empted and called CDC and reported that there might be a possible Ebola case in Texas. But the hospital was not doing what it needed to do at that time,” he said.
Posted by: Anguper Hupomosing9418 || 10/03/2014 12:34 Comments || Top||

#14  The hospital computer system is at fault - the nurse took the history, had his travel in it. Problem is, the Obamacare mandated electronic health system that was hastily implemented FAILED to present this information to the doctor, who sent him home - absent the history, this was just another uninsured patient with a stomach bug. He did NOT have the information to make the call for Ebola, despite the Nurse and others recording the info. Sad thing is, a paper chart would have had this in the Kardex and the Doc would have seen it in the H&P (History and physical). Asking about travel is routinely done as part of the admit/triage of any hospital or clinic.

Do NOT fault the medical personnel - they were doing the best with what they have.

DO fault the illegal aliens and other uninsured who have turned the ER into the routine doctors office instead of using a local clinic. They overload the system and limit the time and attention that can be given. Massive amounts of illegals have a negative impact, and this is one place its most acutely felt - not that the Liberian population in Dallas was illegal, but that the ER is so frequently overloaded with them that such streamlining has to be done to triage and care. Its a systemic issue that hte open border tools never acknowledge.

Also fault the patient! He KNEW he had been exposed, lied on the forms and traveled anyway. And apparently never told anyone until the ambulance came to get him.

FYI - the cameraman was a local contractor - he apparently was exposed days before starting to work with NBC. Now the whole NBC crew is quarantined for observation.
Posted by: OldSpook || 10/03/2014 12:56 Comments || Top||

#15  Individual with Ebola symptoms admitted to a hospital in Washington DC.
Posted by: Ebbomosh Hupemp2664 || 10/03/2014 13:08 Comments || Top||

#16  Short WAPO piece ref #15 above.
Posted by: Besoeker || 10/03/2014 13:16 Comments || Top||

#17  Granted, OS - but the mortality rate of flu and EV68 isn't 70%. Seventy freaking percent.
Posted by: RandomJD || 10/03/2014 13:24 Comments || Top||

#18  Do NOT fault the medical personnel - they were doing the best with what they have.
I DO NOT AGREE. There is nothing in this news story which supports the failure of the personnel involved to simply TALK TO patient Zero.
Now if Zero lied about his travel history or had been incapable of giving it, that would make it different.
This part of the discussion is starting to resemble some of the Katrina story of 9 years ago out of NOLA, particularly the part where the generators of the biggest hospital in town turned out to have been designed to lie below sea level, and the hospital itself having negleced to include a helipad on its property or having planned a total evacuation in case of levee failure / total electric grid failure. In 2005 that was not "doing the best with what they have", either.
Posted by: Anguper Hupomosing9418 || 10/03/2014 13:46 Comments || Top||

#19  And apparently never told anyone until the ambulance came to get him.
That was for his 2nd ER visit. News regarding the first ER visit indicates Zero did, indeed, tell hospital personnel his travel history, which should have been more than enough to get him proper treatment on the 1st visit.
Posted by: Anguper Hupomosing9418 || 10/03/2014 13:49 Comments || Top||

#20  Video of the pressure washing crew show no protective gear, sneakers an ordinary push broom, and uncontrolled run off. Plus the casual by-stander watching.

Have to agree with #5, the ability to spread this could be huge, and there is no evidence of a Clorox bottle anywhere. my guess is that the P.W. was shooting pure water at the mess.
Posted by: USN, Ret. || 10/03/2014 14:26 Comments || Top||

#21  "Anguper", you are mistaken - you don't have the facts. They DID talk to patient Zero on his first visit to the hospital. They DID assess his travel history, and his symptoms. All that info was IN THE COMPUTER. But the doctor had no way to see it. Apparently all she/he saw was "stomach ache and a fever", which, absent the travel info, put the patient on a protocol to go home with tylenol for the fever and drink lots of fluids, like anyone else with a stomach virus, and to call back if he got worse.

The problem is the system was set up to streamline the ER - and that info of the travel history was NOT presented to the ER Doc. So when the ER Doc spent his 60 seconds that the hospital and government regulations (Medicare) say he is allowed to spend with the patient he didn't have complete info although everything in the system indicate to the Doc that he DID have complete info.

So the Doc did not know other than this is a guy with a stomach ache and a fever, like any other number of norovirus people who come to the ER, and sent him home per protocol.

In this case the speed of the ER and a defect in the software prevented the doctor from having all the data the nurse had gathered.

CMS (Medicaid/Medicare) is VERY strict about what can and cannot be done with patients, and about time. Same goes for insurance companies. The hospital, although not-for-profit, still has to recover the costs of care somehow. They do this by reducing the money spent by the most expensive non-capital costs: the doctors and nurses time - by understaffing, which in turn limits the time spent with any given patient. Both the Nurse and the Doc did their job. The system kept them from being successful.

Don't like it? Good. Go fix medicaid. Go fix Obamacare that forced this system into use before it was ready because it was mandated by Pelosi Reid and Obama, not doctors, nurses and software engineers. And fix all the illegals clogging up the ER, forcing a reduction in time for caregiving, when they should be at a local doctors office (where time can be taken), or better yet, back on the other side of the border.

Do NOT dump this on the medical people.
Posted by: OldSpook || 10/03/2014 15:40 Comments || Top||

#22  Now Drudge is reporting an inmate in Georgia is being tested.
Posted by: USN, Ret. || 10/03/2014 15:41 Comments || Top||

#23  tl;dr = you could put "Doctor House" (or any other fictional super doctor) into this system and he would fail to identify the Ebola patient. The government mandated system was screwed up and that is what is screwing people. Ask any MD.
Posted by: OldSpook || 10/03/2014 15:43 Comments || Top||

#24 
Doubtful any native reservoirs exist for this in the urban Dallas area in any significant numbers.


Good to hear Dallas has no rats.
Posted by: Rob Crawford || 10/03/2014 16:32 Comments || Top||

#25 
If the cleaning crew was using a contact solution (5% bleach as is typical for this sort of bio cleaning) in their washers, then the aerosol stuff is not a concern.


Sorry, but, I don't buy that. They recommend a 10-minute soak. That power washer didn't give any such thing.
Posted by: Rob Crawford || 10/03/2014 16:34 Comments || Top||

#26 
Do NOT dump this on the medical people.


Are we not counting the CDC staff as medical? Because they're screwing up every step of the way.
Posted by: Rob Crawford || 10/03/2014 16:36 Comments || Top||

#27  I'm watching administration officials on TV say they have everything under control here and in Africa re ebola. Lots of catch phrases and buzz words--so far no Powerpoint presentations. Why do I feel like I'm getting smoke blown up my arse? Reminds me of this old Apple computer commercial: Chinese Professor lecturing Chinese students.
Posted by: JohnQC || 10/03/2014 16:55 Comments || Top||

#28  Where's the friggin hook that pulls CDC and this administration off the stage? And yet another year and a half of this clown act?
Posted by: JohnQC || 10/03/2014 17:01 Comments || Top||

#29  It seems to me that the regime has put clinical care-givers in an impossible situation. OS has made a good case that, between regulatory requirements for electronic records, and overwhelming numbers of patients due to open borders and the ACA, an already overtaxed system just cannot handle yet another burden. Especially not a black swan crisis like a level 4 hot agent surfacing in a major city.

Ebola requires more labor and more vigilance than just about any other pathogen out there, particularly given that there is no vaccine. It's not like smallpox, where there was a vaccine and known protocols to reasonably assure containment.

But OS is making my point for me. The combination of all these structural weaknesses is exactly what has me so worried. I have the utmost confidence in the expertise and professionalism of our medical people. What scares me is the needless constraints and pressures under which they're expected to perform perfectly. Mistakes are going to happen, and with something as lethal as Ebola, it's likely to mean more chains of transmission, or more people dead.

It also seems pretty clear to me that the ruling class has completely abdicated its paramount responsibility to protect the country, and laid it at the feet of clinicians and first responders. Sounds like medical people are already taking fire from every direction - which is exactly why I want people to worry, pay attention, and "don't do stupid sh!t" (ha!), so at least the rest of us know how not to make the problem any worse.

And here's the CDC chief explaining that we can't shut the border because that would make it worse. ???

Blah blah, we know. Ignorance is strength, war is peace, and slavery is freedom.
Posted by: RandomJD || 10/03/2014 17:26 Comments || Top||

#30  My $0.02. This guy appears to have known he might have been exposed. He came to the US. Now he has the entire floor of a hospital at his disposal and the finest medical attention in America.

What this message does this send to every African who thinks they are exposed but not yet symptomatic? Yeah, sell everything and get to the US before symptoms show up. That's what I'd do.

What should we do?

Closing the borders is a chimera.

There's a warrant out for him in Liberia for lying on his exit papers. Put him in a hazmat suit and extradite his ass to Monrovia with full press coverage. AMF. Otherwise getting medical care is going to be real tough if you're an uninfected American.
Posted by: Nimble Spemble || 10/03/2014 17:33 Comments || Top||

#31  Re: discussion from the other day. This in a WAPO article caught my attention.

In one laboratory experiment, scientists couldn’t recover Ebola virus that had contaminated a surface kept at room temperature. In another study, Ebola virus kept at cold temperature was recovered from plastic and glass surfaces after more than three weeks.

If this turns out to be more transmissible in colder climates then it's a different ball game.
Posted by: phil_b || 10/03/2014 17:39 Comments || Top||

#32  Now it seems there are restrictions o the press reporting on Ebola in Liberia. How soon before there is a similar 'clamp-down' here (whether to slow down information/panic or reduce exposure of Bambi's administration's incompetence, doesn't matter)
Posted by: USN, Ret. || 10/03/2014 18:00 Comments || Top||

#33  CDC are *not* medical people in this case - they are management people. Scientists, not clinicians. They don't work with patients as such, but with diseases and populations.

And no, thank God, rats are not a known biological reservoir for Ebola.

Bats (especially fruit bats apparently) have something that lets them keep the virus present and numerous in their systems (viral load is the term) without developing symptoms and without developing an immune response which would destroy it. It tends to be species specific.

An example would be prairie dogs versus field mice in Bubonic plague - the former are a natural reservoir, the latter are not.

In the case of smallpox, the only natural reservoir are humans, which is what makes eradication possible - it does not exist in nature except in humans: immunize all humans = no more smallpox (if we were not keeping some around for whatever reason).
Posted by: OldSpook || 10/03/2014 18:24 Comments || Top||

#34  Contrary to the CDC: Controlling the border would help - it would reduce the number of illegals which would reduce the load on ERs. But its not politically correct, the Dems need more low information racialist bloc voters, and both parties big corporation contributors need undocumented janitors, chicken pluckers and others they can treat as disposable labor.
Posted by: OldSpook || 10/03/2014 18:28 Comments || Top||

#35  Call them what they are os, slaves. The DNC is importing a new slave class to replace the old one.
Posted by: Silentbrick || 10/03/2014 18:31 Comments || Top||

#36  OS, although the results reported in the journal article are miles better than no information at all, as they point out in the paper the results are somewhat compromised by the storage conditions. Saliva samples stored at room temperature for a few hours may, just as they suggest, have destroyed the virus completely--but we don't know what it looks like after 2 minutes.
Nor could they measure the bleach residues on the hospital surfaces, for example.

I regard the paper as a "limit" paper: contamination will be at least this bad.
FWIW, there appears to be a typo: the kidneys do filter out a lot (maybe all) of the virus. Which is good to know.

I hope some of the quarantined people are getting daily visits and swabs taken. If they do come down with the disease (praying they don't!) we'll know many more details about the progress.
Posted by: James || 10/03/2014 20:51 Comments || Top||


Russia to launch new heavy-lift space rocket on Dec. 25
Russia plans to test launch its new heavy-lift Angara space rocket on Dec. 25, Interfax news agency quoted a source in the space industry as saying on Friday.

The Angara is the first new family of space rockets developed by Russia since the Soviet era and is a vital part of President Vladimir Putin's efforts to revive the space industry. A lighter version was launched successfully in July.
Stupid Russkies, don't they understand they should spend 100 billion on space shuttle that doesn't fly?
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#1  Any bets on stray pieces falling on Ukraine?
Posted by: ed in texas || 10/03/2014 7:25 Comments || Top||

#2  Stupid Russkies, don't they understand they should spend 100 billion on space shuttle that doesn't fly?


How soviets stole space shuttle

Posted by: Martin de Medici6501 || 10/03/2014 10:29 Comments || Top||

#3  U-2 kann Half Dis-2 B 1st comrade on your block wit own Booran !

Posted by: Black Bart Turkeyneck5798 || 10/03/2014 10:43 Comments || Top||

#4  Does it use all kinds of icky petro chemicals? What about global warming?
Posted by: Ebbang Uluque6305 || 10/03/2014 11:26 Comments || Top||

#5  Warning: Sexist comment follows:
You can be that the crew composition will be all-male:

the women will be in line for the after Christmas sales.....
Posted by: USN, Ret. || 10/03/2014 18:04 Comments || Top||



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