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Putin’s Useful Idiots
2015-04-18


Western intellectuals have long had a soft spot for Russia. Voltaire, the French teacher of tolerance and a great friend of Catherine the Great, said that he would gladly move to Russia, though only if its capital were Kiev, not icy St. Petersburg. Johann Gottfried von Herder, the German philosopher of enlightened nationalism, dreamed that he would obtain earthly glory as the “new Luther and Solon” for an as-yet-unspoiled Ukraine, which he would transform into a “new Greece” within the Russian empire.

And in the last century intellectuals like André Gide, Pablo Neruda and Jean-Paul Sartre all stumped for the Soviet Union as what Lenin allegedly called “useful idiots,” apologizing for its monstrosities long after the rest of the world recognized them.

To those in the Eastern Europe left — myself included — who know Russia better than most, such naïveté has long been a source of chagrin. And yet it continues, even today, as many American and Western European intellectuals do all they can to minimize the dangerous aggression by Vladimir V. Putin.

Writing in The Nation, the Russia scholar Stephen F. Cohen argued that Mr. Putin was largely blameless for the conflict in Ukraine, that he had tried to avoid it but that the West had forced his hand. In Mr. Cohen’s eyes, the West has unnecessarily humiliated Russia by inviting countries like Poland, the Czech Republic and Hungary to join NATO.

Ukraine, he wrote, is part of Russia’s sphere of influence, so why can’t we just accept Mr. Putin’s proposal that Ukraine be federalized, with neutrality guaranteed in a new constitution?

Mr. Cohen’s defense of Russia’s sphere of influence overlooks the question of whether the countries that fall within it are there by choice or coercion. Ukraine is willing to be in the Western sphere of influence because it receives support for civil society, the economy and national defense — and Russia does nothing of the kind.

Mr. Cohen and others don’t just defend Russia; they attack the pro-democracy activists in Ukraine. Another American pundit, Max Blumenthal, described the Euromaidan movement as “filled with far-right street-fighting men pledging to defend their country’s ethnic purity.”

True, such people were present at the square, but they were marginal figures, and slogans about ethnic purity never gained popularity. Yes, generally speaking, Ukraine has its skinheads and its anti-Semites and even serial killers, pedophiles and Satanists. They are not present in smaller or larger numbers than in any other country, even in the most mature European state.
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Posted by:badanov

#29  Gaaad People, why are you getting your collective panties in a bunch ?

Russia will be Russia, don't you know, nothing changes, only the name of the leader.

Grow up !
Posted by: Crorong the Obscure7387   2015-04-18 21:50  

#28  G's mideast insights are welcome in my book. The pro-Russian chauvinisim and Putin Apologia? Not so much.
Posted by: Frank G   2015-04-18 20:21  

#27  Guilt only works if we're married, and I don't see any nuptials in our future.
Posted by: badanov   2015-04-18 15:30  

#26  Well, have it your way---it's your country.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru   2015-04-18 15:19  

#25  Russians will tell you that their particular brand of imperialism is based on their language, and their past, especially as it applies to WWII, and specificaly as it applies to Soviet communism.

If you yourself had seen fotos of Russian divisional commander just before Barbarossa in June, 1941, you could only conclude that Russians were mostly white male.

And the overwhelming majority of them died, along with their charges by the millions, fighting for their society and against German imperialism.

Now, another generation fights for Russian imperialism.

But, I don't want to get into a pissing match over race, or ethnicity with you or anyone else, but your post about the hasthags of unhappy people were neither relevant, nor necessary.
Posted by: badanov   2015-04-18 15:03  

#24  Now badanov, you disappoint me. Somebody with that name should know Russians have a significant Asian admixture (going even back, before Mongols). Although, come to think of it, Asians are not exactly popular with cognitive elites either.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru   2015-04-18 14:52  

#23  FFS, grom. Russia is nothing if not straight white men!
Posted by: badanov   2015-04-18 14:36  

#22  Inspirational messages for you, but not TW
Posted by: g(r)omgoru   2015-04-18 14:33  

#21  Voltaire. He had a decidely sharp opinion, and likely looked at Russia as an escape from the fingernail pulling he saw coming in France.

18th century Russia is like talking about 18th Britain.

Time and Place.

And everything I used to point and laugh at as a kid is happening in triplicate.
Posted by: swksvolFF   2015-04-18 13:25  

#20  The point grom is making is that while we are told we are spreading democracy and self-determination, what is actually rising is a feudalism and oligarchy mix.
Posted by: ed in texas   2015-04-18 11:17  

#19  "Thought control" = what anyone not having a man crush on Putin and Russian imperialism is subject to.
Posted by: Odysseus   2015-04-18 10:13  

#18  Totalitarianism = thought control.

TW, I suggest you read this.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru   2015-04-18 09:46  

#17  No matter how one defines the currently dominant Western ideology it can't possibly be described as totalitarian. Perhaps grom doesn't only admire Putin, but also Stalin, Beria, and Yezhov.
Posted by: Odysseus   2015-04-18 09:37  

#16  Not name calling, description.

It's name calling and it's enough. Make your points without insulting our fellow readers.

Don't make me come up there.


AoS
Posted by: g(r)omgoru   2015-04-18 09:24  

#15  ^Amen
Posted by: Frank G   2015-04-18 09:23  

#14  g(r)omgoru, it would be helpful if you described what you mean by the currently dominant "Western" ideology, so that the discussion could be around that instead of insults in all directions.
Posted by: trailing wife   2015-04-18 09:23  

#13  The quality of your point of view and mode of discourse is shown by your inability to use facts or logic, but are only capable of name calling.
Posted by: Odysseus   2015-04-18 09:20  

#12  Odysseus, you're an ignoramus. And stupid to boot.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru   2015-04-18 09:08  

#11  grom has an exceedingly twisted idea of what the word totalitarian means. There's nothing the West is doing that compares with Soviet terror killing millions, Soviet gulags imprisoning millions under extreme conditions, Soviet police state activities, Soviet occupation of Eastern Europe, etc. There's also nothing the West does that compares with Nazi concentration camps, Nazi murders of people for being other ethnicities, Nazi police state tactics, Nazi invasion of non-belligerents, Nazi widespread use of slave labor, etc.

Totalitarianism has an actual meaning and to apply it so randomly cavalierly diminishes the horrible suffering of its Soviet and Nazi victims.
Posted by: Odysseus   2015-04-18 09:04  

#10  I'm not kidding Besoeker. IMO, the currently dominant "Western" ideology is the most dangerous ideology ever invented. Compared to what various SJW have are planning, an old fashioned, pragmatic, autocrat like Puti is practically St. Francis of Assisi.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru   2015-04-18 08:32  

#9  ......While, I might add, gradually but surely, eliminating unreliable elements like yourself within. Posted by g(r)omgoru

Well g(r)om, after April 15th [tax day] I'll have agree with this part of your statement.
Posted by: Besoeker   2015-04-18 08:09  

#8  I must have missed the part in which Ukrainian troops invaded Russia.

Hardly the only thing you missed.

Besoeker, you really don't see that USA and it's allies (except USA is not the leader but the tranzi Mongo) are the new totalitarian empire bent on imposing its ideology on the rest of the World? While, I might add, gradually but surely, eliminating unreliable elements like yourself within.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru   2015-04-18 07:47  

#7  EC ~ Please disregard our resident Putinologist.
Posted by: Besoeker   2015-04-18 07:27  

#6  "Except, in this particular cases, Russians are the good guys who are defending their country from Tranzi aggression."

Oh really gromguru. I must have missed the part in which Ukrainian troops invaded Russia.
Posted by: European Conservative   2015-04-18 07:18  

#5  "And in the last century intellectuals like André Gide, Pablo Neruda and Jean-Paul Sartre all stumped for the Soviet Union as what Lenin allegedly called “useful idiots,” apologizing for its monstrosities long after the rest of the world recognized them."

In the case of André Gide, this is not quite true. He went to the Soviet Union in 1936 and immediately after his return published the disillusioned report "Retour de l'URSS".
Posted by: European Conservative   2015-04-18 07:16  

#4  I've isolated the cause at para-14. It's the usual culprit:

What naïve American intellectuals say free of charge, the canny Gerhard Schröder, the former German chancellor, says for 250,000 euros a year as a board member of Gazprom, the Russian oil giant. Mr. Schröder, the German father of “Gazprom socialism” — a new subspecies of limousine liberalism — has repeatedly embarrassed Berlin by supporting Russia’s annexation of Crimea.
Posted by: Besoeker   2015-04-18 01:59  

#3  Think of Russia as a cake shop with nukes.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru   2015-04-18 01:52  

#2  Yes, yes, very pretty. Except, in this particular cases, Russians are the good guys who are defending their country from Tranzi aggression.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru   2015-04-18 01:47  

#1  Where does Obean rank on the list?
Posted by: gorb   2015-04-18 00:23  

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