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Afghanistan
Obama watching Afghan insider attacks with 'deep concern'
Because the Great White Father in Washington sees all and knows all, rewarding friends with one hand while punishing enemies with the other.
[Dawn] President Barack Obama
I mean, I do think at a certain point you've made enough money...
said Monday the United States was watching with "deep concern" an increase in so-called "green on blue" attacks on US troops in Afghanistan by insiders in Afghan uniform.

"Obviously, we have to do more, because there is an uptick over the last 12 months or so on this," he said at a White House news conference.

Obama emphasized that Afghan cops must be trained to take over from withdrawing US and NATO
...the North Atlantic Treaty Organization. Originally it was a mutual defense pact directed against an expansionist Soviet Union. In later years it evolved into a mechanism for picking the American pocket while criticizing the cut of the American pants...
troops.

"In the long-term, we will see fewer US casualties and coalition casualties by sticking to our transition plan and making sure that we have the most effective Afghan security force possible, but we have to do it in a way that doesn't leave our guys vulnerable," he said.

His comments follow a spate of deadly attacks on US and NATO troops by Afghan troops who have opened fire on their foreign trainers.

"Obviously, we have been watching with deep concern the so-called green-on-blue attacks where you have Afghan individuals, some of whom are actually enrolled in the Afghan military and in some cases dressing up as Afghan military or police, attacking the coalition's, including our own troops," Obama said.
Posted by: Fred || 08/21/2012 00:00 || Comments || Link || [5 views] Top|| File under: al-Qaeda

#1  'deep concern'

Can't these people wait until after the elections?
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 08/21/2012 8:21 Comments || Top||

#2  rewarding friends with one hand while punishing enemies with the other.

I think you've got that backwards, tw.
Posted by: Nimble Spemble || 08/21/2012 8:40 Comments || Top||

#3  The Quote of the Decade:

“The fact that we are here today to debate raising America 's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the US Government cannot pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government's reckless fiscal policies. Increasing America 's debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that, "the buck stops here.' Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better.”
~ Senator Barack H. Obama, March 2006
Posted by: Besoeker || 08/21/2012 8:50 Comments || Top||

#4  Afghanistan, all of Afghanistan, is at war with our troops.
Posted by: Neville Crunter6407 || 08/21/2012 11:06 Comments || Top||

#5  Yes, Neville, the indigenous people are not educated per se, but hardly stupid. They have read the tea leaves. It is crucial for long-term survival to be correctly seated when the music stops.
Posted by: Besoeker || 08/21/2012 11:15 Comments || Top||

#6  Obama emphasized that Afghan cops must be trained to take over from withdrawing US and NATO
troops.


Is anybody dumb enough to believe this?

Is that helipad on top of the embassy ready?
Posted by: Ebbang Uluque6305 || 08/21/2012 11:40 Comments || Top||

#7  Is anybody dumb enough to believe this?
Of course. Never underestimate the stupidity of people.
Posted by: Glenmore || 08/21/2012 12:13 Comments || Top||

#8  Leave that hell hole tomorrow. Bug out. We are wasting blood and treasure on tribal savages who will not change, other than for the worse, in our lifetimes. Every day we stay is one day too long.
Posted by: remoteman || 08/21/2012 12:48 Comments || Top||

#9  Deep concern that he may have to make a decision?
Posted by: SteveS || 08/21/2012 12:51 Comments || Top||

#10  whenever I look at the White House
I feel the concern
I FEEL it ... I do!!
Posted by: Raider || 08/21/2012 13:00 Comments || Top||


Africa Horn
Ethiopia's prime minister dies
Posted by: Skidmark || 08/21/2012 09:20 || Comments || Link || [5 views] Top|| File under:


Somali parliament to meet for first time but presidential election delayed
[Dawn] War-torn Somalia's new parliament was due to convene for the first time Monday in the latest bid to end two decades of instability, but the election of a president has been delayed, politicians said.

Lawmakers would gather not in the city's parliament building, but rather Mogadishu's heavily fortified airport zone under the protection of African Union
...a union consisting of 53 African states, most run by dictators of one flavor or another. The only all-African state not in the AU is Morocco. Established in 2002, the AU is the successor to the Organisation of African Unity (OAU), which was even less successful...
troops, due to fear of attack by al Qaeda-linked Shebab bad boys.

The parliament's interim speaker Musa Hassan Abdallah appealed Monday to the United Nations
...an international organization whose stated aims of facilitating interational security involves making sure that nobody with live ammo is offended unless it's a civilized country...
Political Office for Somalia (UNPOS) for an "alternative place of safe haven" to meet, the UN said in a statement.

Selection of the new legislature was the first performed inside Somalia for more than 20 years. Previous efforts were conducted outside the country because of the danger of attack posed by a range of warlords and Islamist fighters.
Posted by: Fred || 08/21/2012 00:00 || Comments || Link || [6 views] Top|| File under: al-Shabaab


Africa North
Special Military Units Established To Target Al-Qaeda in the Sahel
A rapid intervention unit composed of French, British, Italian and Spanish special forces has been formed to target al-Qaeda in the Sahel countries. Algeria has also formed special units designed to track down and target Al-Qaeda as well as the Tawhid and Jihad group.
Posted by: Besoeker || 08/21/2012 09:40 || Comments || Link || [5 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Presumably, the Sahel countries involved will be asked permission beforehand, until the first op is burned. I mean the first burned op. No, I guess I mean the first op, which will be burned.
And do we restrict the ops to the NA countries with borders on the Med, or do we see ops further south in Chad, Mali, etc?
Posted by: Richard Aubrey || 08/21/2012 10:52 Comments || Top||

#2  In other news regarding Special Military units and tactics, iIt has emerged from some experts in COIN (Counter Insurgency) that the tactics employed by the police at the South African Lonmin mine were classical Apartheid era SADF Special Forces tactics:

After having spilt the strikers up into smaller groups, they concentrated on the most vocal group that hid in a small group of bushes close to the final police barriers.

This group was then completely surrounded by Nyala APCs ....with the main police force stopper group forming a skirmish line at the funnel of the only channel left `open`!. Tear gas was then shot at the base of the funnel.....forcing the strikers to run straight into the main police stopper group! Classic 32Bn TEINOPS tactics! .....The last tactical move by the police was the classic closing of the funnel/bottleneck....as can be seen on the video footage where the Nyala APC was on standby, on the left of the original video footage, and how it immediately moved to the right to in order to close the bottleneck after the miners were slaughtered like dogs!


Still no UN or MSM outrage.

Posted by: Besoeker || 08/21/2012 11:11 Comments || Top||

#3  I suspect there is no side with clean hands in the SA riots. Don't forget that 2 police were captured then hacked to death a day or two previous. And the rioters were armed. They weren't pothead hippies.
Posted by: tipover || 08/21/2012 12:26 Comments || Top||

#4  Presuming the term "sahel" is taken literally, almost none of it is in Algeria or any of the other nations named. However, it does include large portions of nations to the south not named in the report.
It is a poor presumption that the troops involved will stop at the southern border of, say, Algeria when looking at al Q
Posted by: Richard Aubrey || 08/21/2012 12:59 Comments || Top||


Israel tells Egypt to remove tanks from Sinai
Israel has told Egypt that it must remove its tanks from the Sinai Peninsula because their continued presence violates the peace agreement between the two countries.

The message was sent via the White House in an effort to give the warning added weight and to bridge the shaky relationship between Israeli and Egyptian security forces, Maariv reported on Tuesday. Israel was protesting the ongoing increase in military presence, which has been going ahead without coordination with Jerusalem.

On Monday, an Egyptian security source told Reuters that Cairo would soon deploy tanks, aircraft and rocket launchers in its bid to root terrorist elements out of the peninsula.

The move would constitute an unprecedented military presence in the Sinai, which was demilitarized as part of the 1979 peace treaty between Israel and Egypt. Jerusalem considers the peninsula a strategic buffer zone.

The decision to communicate via the White House was made, the report said, because Israeli ties with Egypt have become strained in recent months. The United States is still influential thanks to the $1.3 billion of military aid it supplies to Egypt every year.
Posted by: tipper || 08/21/2012 07:47 || Comments || Link || [7 views] Top|| File under:

#1  My question a while ago was how much Egyptian military would Israel countenance before a preemptive strike.

Guess we're finding out. And it doesn't look like they'll allow much.

What's the line on an Egyptian move against Israel?
Posted by: AlanC || 08/21/2012 12:36 Comments || Top||

#2  Oe else?
Posted by: Redneck Jim || 08/21/2012 19:38 Comments || Top||


Commander: Egypt army will not back down in Sinai
[Ma'an] The Egyptian army will not back down from fighting militancy in Sinai, a senior military commander said Saturday, warning that the peninsula could become more dangerous than Iraq and Afghanistan.

"The Egyptian army led by (President) Muhammad Mursi will not back down from hitting terrorism in Sinai and will prove that the Egyptian government and people will keep every inch of Egypt," the commander told Ma'an.

The military leader said Egyptian troops had uncovered terrorist groups from Afghanistan, Soddy Arabia
...a kingdom taking up the bulk of the Arabian peninsula. Its primary economic activity involves exporting oil and soaking Islamic rubes on the annual hajj pilgrimage. The country supports a large number of princes in whatcha might call princely splendor. When the oil runs out the rest of the world is going to kick sand in their national face...
, Yemen, Pakistain, Paleostine's Army of Islam and some Egyptian hard boyz in Sinai.

Without Egyptian military control of the area, "Sinai may turn into a more dangerous area than Afghanistan or Iraq," he added.

He also questioned Israel's response to Egypt's crackdown in Sinai, that followed an attack on a police barracks near Rafah in which 16 Egyptian officers were killed.

The Israeli daily Haaretz reported on Thursday that Egypt had violated the terms of the Camp David agreement, which limits Egyptian military activity in Sinai.

Egypt increased its military presence in Sinai after the attack, and sent tanks and aircraft to the area without seeking Israeli permission first, the report said.

According to Haaretz, Israel decided not to respond to the violations of the accord in order to avoid a confrontation. Israeli defense officials told Haaretz they were in regular contact with their Egyptian counterparts.

The Egyptian military commander said that although Israel had called for a crackdown on militancy in Sinai, it later demanded that the Egyptian army withdraw from the area.

"Does Israel have a scenario that it wants to implement in Sinai where it would reoccupy it under the cover of eliminating terrorism?" he asked.

Disorder has been spreading in turbulent North Sinai, a region awash with guns that has felt neglected by the central government since the overthrow of President Hosni Mubarak
...The former President-for-Life of Egypt, dumped by popular demand in early 2011...
last year in a popular uprising. Mubarak's government had worked closely with Israel to keep the border region under control.

Egypt blamed the Aug. 5 border attack on "Islamic bully boys" and has launched a joint army-police operation that has raided bully boy hideouts, tossed in the calaboose
You have the right to remain silent...
their members and seized weapons.

A Sinai-based Islamist bully boy organization, the Salafi Jihadi Group, warned the Egyptian army last week that the crackdown on jihadis in the area would force it to fight back.

There have been frequent reports of attacks on police and army checkpoints since the crackdown began, but often without casualties.
Posted by: trailing wife || 08/21/2012 00:00 || Comments || Link || [5 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Yes they will.
Posted by: crosspatch || 08/21/2012 3:56 Comments || Top||


Defense sources: Israel, Egypt in talks over Sinai deployment
[Ynet] Sources in the defense establishment have confirmed that Israel is in talks with Egypt over the deployment of Egyptian forces in Sinai, without providing further details. "They are fighting terrorism in Sinai, and that is within both countries' interests," one source said.
 
According to earlier reports, Egypt is planning to dispatch jets and tanks to the peninsula as part of its effort to curb terrorist activity in the region.
Posted by: trailing wife || 08/21/2012 00:00 || Comments || Link || [6 views] Top|| File under:


China-Japan-Koreas
S.Korean presidential candidate vows unconditional aid for North
Hat tip Josh Stanton.
SEOUL, Aug 17(Reuters) - Moon Jae-in, the most popular South Korean opposition presidential candidate, said on Friday that if elected this year he would offer no strings attached economic aid to North Korea in a radical departure from current policy that has seen ties between the two states frozen.
If he wins and opens up the money spigot to the North, we bring home all our troops from the South. No argument. Let the ROK figure out how to deal with the north, we'll move the troops to Guam, Hawaii and Washington state.
The current policy of not kissing the Nork buttcrack is a radical departure from the policies of the previous administration...
Moon, 59, a former human rights lawyer and confidant of ex-president Roh Moo-hyun whose policies of openness to the North were overturned by conservative President Lee Myung-bak, said that engagement was key to moving beyond the current stalemate between the two states, which remain technically at war.
It's more than a technicality to Fat Boy and his uncle...
"I would like to handle North Korea issues comprehensively. The current Lee Myung-bak administration has certain preconditions to resume talks with Pyongyang, saying we will not respond to the North unless it gives up its nuclear ambition. However, such approach makes both sides hard to take a step further," Moon told journalists at a briefing.

There have been signs recently that North Korea's new ruler Fat Boy Kim Jong-un is more willing to open up than his father who he succeeded in December in a bid to revive the impoverished country's ailing economy, which is fraction of the size of the South's.
He's all for openness right to the moment the North can strike...
Kim's right hand man and uncle Jang Song-thaek is currently in Beijing seeking greater economic cooperation with China, its sole major ally, and Moon warned that unless South Korea took the lead, the North would fall completely into China's orbit.
That is laughably clueless and is the sort of codswollop that only a socialist would believe. North Korea is and has been China's lapdog.
South Koreans will elect a new president in December and Moon has 10 percent poll support versus conservative candidate Park Geun-hye's 36 percent approval rating, according to pollster Gallup.
So the South Koreans aren't completely suicidal...
Park, the daughter of South Korea's assassinated dictator Park Chung-hee, has also pledged to improve ties with North
Korea, although she says the North would have to abandon its nuclear weapons ambitions before Seoul would reach out.

Moon's opposition Democratic United Party will hold its primary on Sept. 16, while Park's Saenuri party will hold its primary on Monday.
Posted by: Steve White || 08/21/2012 00:00 || Comments || Link || [6 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Once again, IMO Artic read, THE CHINESE THREAT TO NORTH KOREA, NOT the ROK.

D *** NG IT - NOT, NOT, spelled N-U-U-T, NOT!
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 08/21/2012 0:24 Comments || Top||


Kim Jong-un Hails Unit That Attacked S.Korea
North Korean leader Suet Face Kim Jong-un on Friday visited the military unit that shelled South Korea's Yeonpyeong Island in November 2010. Pudgy Kim described the unit, which is stationed on Mu Islet just 7 km from Yeonpyeong, as "heroic defenders," according to the official KCNA news agency.

North Korean state media said Kim boarded a small unarmed wooden boat with just a few aides to reach the islet.

A South Korean military official said, "It's quite surprising that he took that kind of a boat without bodyguards when visiting a frontline area within reach of South Korean guns. It seems to have been set up to show off his pluck and nerve."
Or he's young and oblivious...
Kim "looked over the South, where dark clouds of war are due to the commotion created by our enemies' exercises," KCNA said.

In February, prior to another annual joint drill, Fat Boy Kim also inspected the corps that led the attack on Yeonpyeong.
Posted by: Steve White || 08/21/2012 00:00 || Comments || Link || [7 views] Top|| File under:

#1  ...or it means he's not that important.

...or it means he was set up for a fall, but thwarted somehow.
Posted by: gromky || 08/21/2012 3:21 Comments || Top||

#2  I'd go with "not that important", though one can't discount the propaganda value.

Still, it would've been rather awkward for the Last North Korean Emperor to have drowned during a 4 mile boat trip.
Posted by: Pappy || 08/21/2012 17:26 Comments || Top||

#3  "It's quite surprising that he took that kind of a boat without bodyguards when visiting a frontline area within reach of South Korean guns. It seems to have been set up to show off his pluck and nerve."

Well actually, it just shows that your frogmen are a tad late out of the starting blocks buddy. Better luck next time ... you can get him.
Posted by: Raider || 08/21/2012 18:54 Comments || Top||

#4  Personally I'm more concerned about his elevation to formal "Marshal" status - AFAIK it means that the DPRK [also read, CHINA] are covertly anticipating major trubles to occur in future.
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 08/21/2012 23:36 Comments || Top||


Home Front: WoT
Dempsey: US, Israel view Iran threat with different 'clocks'
[Ynet] The United States and Israel have different interpretations of the same intelligence reports on Iran's nuclear program, the US military's top general said.
 
General Dempsey, the chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff, said he conferred with his Israeli counterpart Benny Gantz on a regular, "bi-weekly" basis. "We compare intelligence, we discuss regional implications. And we've admitted to each other that our clocks are turning at different rates," he said.
In other words, it matters a good deal less to the current American administration that the six million Jews of Israel and their non-Jewish fellow citizens might be wiped from the face of the earth if nothing is done. Thanks for clarifying, d00d.
Posted by: trailing wife || 08/21/2012 00:00 || Comments || Link || [10 views] Top|| File under:

#1  ION IRAN ....

* TOPIX > IRGC COMMANDER: IRAN AT FATEFUL [decisive] STAGE.

Yeeeuuuppp.

* WAFF > [Khaama.com = Afghan Lawmakers] IRAN BEHIND COORDINATED SUICIDE BLASTS IN AFGHANISTAN.

* DEFENCE.PK/FORUMS > IRAN EYEING STRATEGIC PARTNERSHIP WID IRANIC KURDS, espec those in Iraq.

versus

* DEFENCE.PK/FORUMS > [Rise = Verge of] KURDISH STATE: THE PKK HAS "LOCKED" THE TURKISH ARMY [Units] INSIDE THEIR OWN BASES.

* TOPIX > KURDS AT CENTRE OF MIDDLE EAST POWERPLAY | SYRIA USING KURDS TO THREATEN [destabilize] TURKEY. Iran-Syria axis versus Turkey, and vicey-versy, vee the Kurds.

* RIAN.RU > TURKEY CALLS FOR SYRIA NO-FLY ZONE.

Reminds me of another old Dream-Vision per the Pentagon from decades ago - RISE OF KURDISTAN.
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 08/21/2012 0:49 Comments || Top||

#2  "Dempsey: US, Israel view Iran threat with different 'clocks' "

Yup.
One clock is ticking ... and one is not.
Posted by: Raider || 08/21/2012 12:52 Comments || Top||

#3  One clock is running backward, Raider.
Posted by: Deacon Blues || 08/21/2012 19:02 Comments || Top||


Obama: Chemical weapon would alter Syrian equation
[Ynet] US president says use of unconventional weapons by Assad regime would be 'red line'; hints it would warrant possible military intervention

US President Barack Obama
I am the change that you seek...
on Monday warned Syrian Hereditary President-for-Life Bashir Pencilneck al-Assad
Before going into the family business Pencilneck was an eye doctor...
that the use or deployment of chemical or biological weapons in his country's conflict would be a "red line" for the United States as it views Damascus
...Home to a staggering array of terrorist organizations...
's suppression of the uprising.
 
Obama made an unscheduled appearance in the White House briefing room Monday and told news hounds that the issue of Syria's unconventional weapons was of high concern to both the United States and its close ally, Israel.
 
"A red line for us is (if) we see a whole bunch of chemical weapons moving around, or being utilized. That would change my calculus," Obama said.
 
Obama further said that the US would consider the possibility of military involvement in Syria should unconventional weapons come into play in the Syrian civil war.
 
The use of such weapons of mass destruction, which Syria has, would widen the conflict considerably, he noted.
 
"It doesn't just include Syria. It would concern allies in the region, including Israel, and it would concern us."
 
Obama warned Assad and "other players on the ground" that the use or movement of such weapons would be a "red line" would "alter the equation."
 
Syria's undeclared stockpiles of sarin nerve agent, mustard gas and cyanide are considered the largest in the world.
 
The US and Israel, as well as other western nation, fear that Assad has begun moving his stockpiles. The growing violence in the country has also sparked concerns that nonconventional weapons may find their way into Hezbollah's hands.
 
A situation assessment held by the Pentagon in July concluded that Damascus was still in control of its chemical arsenal.
 
In early August, the Syrian opposition claimed that Assad's forces used "mass-killing thermobaric weapons" on civilians in Aleppo
...For centuries, Aleppo was Greater Syria's largest city and the Ottoman Empire's third, after Constantinople and Cairo. Although relatively close to Damascus in distance, Aleppans regard Damascenes as country cousins...
, in northern Syria.
 
Thermobaric are lethal weapons that explode above a target area with a massive blast and suck air in, leaving a vacuum. When such a weapon is detonated, it produces a blast wave with a significantly longer duration, maximizing damage and casualties.
 
It is believed that Damascus acquired the weapons from Russia.
Posted by: trailing wife || 08/21/2012 00:00 || Comments || Link || [5 views] Top|| File under: Govt of Syria

#1  Oh please, we all know that if Syria uses chemical weapons, Tyrant Obama would do nothing but whine about it and maybe find a mailbox to bow to while shaking his ass at the Europeans.

It's too bad a clone of Andrew Jackson wouldn't have his....exuberant personality. It'd be fun watching the world go into duck and cover mode with "Old Hickory" sitting in the big chair.
Posted by: Silentbrick - Schlumberger Squishy Mud Division || 08/21/2012 8:51 Comments || Top||


Obama 'cancelled missions to kill bin Laden THREE TIMES after getting cold feet
Big Daily Mail story. Corroborates some of what we've heard from other sources. Barack can't seem to get away from the wimmins in his life, can he...
Barack Obama cancelled three operations to kill Osama bin Laden before finally going ahead with the mission at the insistence of Hillary Clinton, according to a new book.

The explosive allegation is contained in an expose by journalist Rich Miniter, who argues that the White House's carefully-crafted narrative of Obama as a decisive leader who dispatched the al-Qaeda leader despite the doubts of advisers is a myth.

Leading from Behind: The Reluctant President and the Advisors Who Decide for Him will be published on Tuesday. Excerpts have been viewed by Mail Online.

Miniter, a former Wall Street Journal, Washington Times and Sunday Times of London journalist, cites an unnamed source within Joint Special Operations Command as revealing that three 'kill' missions were cancelled by Obama in January, February and March 2011. Bin Laden was eventually killed by US Navy SEALs inside his compound in Abbotobad, Pakistan in May 2011.

The killing of bin Laden is at the centre of Obama's re-election campaign and is likely to be highlighted yet again by his aides on the eleventh anniversary of the 9/11 terrorist attacks next month. Obama has already come under fire from former SEALs for trumpeting his role in the raid.

Until now, no one has claimed that he was reluctant even to launch it.
Not quite, we heard a bit about this not long after the raid.
Miniter portrays Clinton as the main force behind killing bin Laden and contends that the prevaricating Obama has been in thrall to a number of dominant women -- Clinton, top adviser Valerie Jarrett and his wife Michelle. It was Jarrett, a long-time Chicago ally, he reports, who urged Obama to cancel the first three operations to kill bin Laden.

Miniter writes that Clinton's alliances with Leon Panetta, then CIA director and now Pentagon chief, and David Petraeus, then head of US and Nato forces in Afghanistan and now at the helm at the CIA, were critical in bringing bin Laden to justice.

At the start of his presidency, Miniter writes, Obama was 'studiously undecided' about whether to kill the mastermind of 9/11.

'He refused to weigh in or commit himself on even small matters related to a possible strike on bin Laden.'

He continues: 'Obama was often disengaged as the bin Laden operation took shape; he left critical decisions to the then-CIA Director Leon Panetta, then-Secretary of Defence Robert Gates and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.

'Obama feared taking responsibility for a risky raid that might go tragically wrong.'

Initially, Miniter writes, Obama deferred to Jarrett over whether to go after bin Laden.

'Jarrett opposed the idea. She worried about a backlash against the president if the operation failed, or even if it succeeded. Clinton privately fumed about Jarrett's relentless presence and her injection of political considerations at every turn.
When Hillary says you're injecting politics into policy too much, you've got a problem...
'Throughout 2009 Obama demanded more and more certainty about U.S. intelligence concerning bin Laden. Jarrett repeatedly reminded Obama and other executive-branch officials that the president had campaigned on the "intelligence failures" of the Bush years.

'There was no need, she said, to hand our political rivals a set of intelligence failures of our own.
Thus demonstrating their fear of the unknown. Bush had no qualms about doing right with the information he had, which meant that occasionally he got one wrong. Champ was unwilling to be wrong, even once, so he threw away all the opportunities he had to do right.
'As CIA covert teams successfully parried concerns about intelligence by extraordinary efforts that proved bin Laden was indeed in the Abottobad compound, a new set of delaying tactics emerged, embedded in the debate over what should actually be done.'

Despite their rivalry during the battle for the 2008 Democratic nomination, Clinton had gradually won over Obama and established her influence during weekly meetings in the Oval Office.

'Clinton used her weekly meeting to begin lobbying for a decisive blow against bin Laden.

'She knew her husband had paid a political price for failing to stop bin Laden before the September 11 attacks. She knew Obama's presidency could be mortally wounded if he had bin Laden in his gun sights and didn't fire.'
Besides, it was the right thing to do. Assuming you couldn't just snatch him, fly him to the safe house at Ice Station Zebra and spend a year picking his head apart.
Eventually, Miniter writes, Obama was convinced that bin Laden should be pursued but still had reservations about pulling the metaphorical trigger.

'He knew Clinton was right. So he agreed to keep making minor decisions, but remained uneasy about the big one at the end--deciding to kill bin Laden, and to risk losing American and Pakistani lives in the process.'

Even the day before bin Laden's demise, Miniter writes, Obama was seized by a 'fourth moment of indecision'.

The White House later said that poor weather conditions prompted this final delay but Miniter writes that he obtained the US Air Force Combat Meteorological Centre's weather report for that day and established that it showed 'ideal conditions' for the SEAL raid.
Posted by: Steve White || 08/21/2012 00:00 || Comments || Link || [7 views] Top|| File under:

#1  But weren't we told just yesterday that The One led the attack? so perhaps the 3 cancelled missions weren't cancelled, but merely practice ones so he could fine-tune the salient points of leading... ( or pack his blankee in his dufflebag.)
Posted by: USN, ret. || 08/21/2012 1:34 Comments || Top||

#2  No US paper could print this - not that they would want to - for fear of the Chicago Machine.

Ironic it came from Britan. Wonder if Champ is having second thoughts about sending the Churchill bust back?
Posted by: Bobby || 08/21/2012 5:41 Comments || Top||

#3  The Daily Wail is the most seen newspaper site in the world.
Posted by: Bright Pebbles || 08/21/2012 5:55 Comments || Top||

#4  Unfortunately the book will be lost in all the partisan sniping and media distraction.
Posted by: Steve White || 08/21/2012 7:40 Comments || Top||

#5  "Leading from Behind" book sez Mars landing was given OK by Val Jarrett
Posted by: Besoeker || 08/21/2012 7:43 Comments || Top||

#6  Unfortunately the book will be lost in all the partisan sniping and media distraction.

That's up to Chris Christie.
Posted by: Nimble Spemble || 08/21/2012 7:58 Comments || Top||

#7  Valerie Jarrett, the Edith Bolling Galt Wilson [aka the real first female president] of the Obama Administration.

His[Woodrow Wilson] constant attendant, Edith Wilson took over many routine duties and details of government. She carefully screened all matters of state and decided which were important enough to bring to the bedridden president. "I studied every paper sent from the different Secretaries or Senators," she wrote later of her role, "and tried to digest and present in tabloid form the things that, despite my vigilance, had to go to the President. I, myself, never made a single decision regarding the disposition of public affairs. The only decision that was mine was what was important and what was not, and the very important decision of when to present matters to my husband."

Edith also strongly opposed allowing Vice President Thomas R. Marshall to assume the powers of the presidency.[15] She selected matters for her husband's attention and let everything else go to the heads of departments or remain in abeyance. In My Memoir, published in 1939, she called her role a "stewardship"[16] and insisted that her actions had been taken only because the president's doctors told her to do so for her husband's mental health.[17]
- wiki
Posted by: Procopius2k || 08/21/2012 8:09 Comments || Top||

#8  I think it means dear reader is so ass kick'n he killed bin Dover four times...with his mind.
Posted by: swksvolFF || 08/21/2012 8:47 Comments || Top||

#9  I bet he also cancelled the mission that actually got bin Laden, but it was too late. He had to have had something in place in case of an Iranian-hostage-rescue-style disaster.
Posted by: Glenmore || 08/21/2012 9:16 Comments || Top||

#10  It doesn't even matter. Pinetta, Obama, Jarrett - disgusting creatures all. The only thing that matters is this treasonous cabal be defeated handily in November otherwise we're done.
Posted by: Dikhed Al Fuqwad || 08/21/2012 10:08 Comments || Top||

#11  Al Fuqwad .... by chance, do you have kin working at DIA ?
Posted by: Besoeker || 08/21/2012 10:26 Comments || Top||

#12  Not that I know of Besoeker. I suspect my view is a common one with those guys though.
Posted by: Dikhed Al Fuqwad || 08/21/2012 10:45 Comments || Top||

#13  The secret to Obama's rise to power was to vote "Present" if he was not sure of the outcome. He felt that potential risk to gotcha's on important issues was not worth it.

Every decision is evaluated solely on the potential impact to what he percieves as his political power.

If America is still the land of the free and the brave, he will ulitmately fail here.
Posted by: Neville Crunter6407 || 08/21/2012 11:01 Comments || Top||

#14  Obama can't make a morally difficult decision. Period.

Now an immoral decision he'll make in a heartbeat.
Posted by: DarthVader || 08/21/2012 11:28 Comments || Top||

#15  He doesn't decide anything. He just reads what's on the teleprompter, then gets in a round of golf. That's it. Period.
Posted by: Iblis || 08/21/2012 13:00 Comments || Top||

#16  My gut tells me he was hoping someone in the military/CIA would take the chance and do it anyway at some point. Thus he could take credit for success and have a patsy if things went wrong.

Unfortunately the military doesn't work that way outside of Hollywood.
Posted by: rjschwarz || 08/21/2012 14:36 Comments || Top||

#17  Two things forced De Won's hand:
1) Hillary had already brought her set of balls;
2) someone had already ordered the pizza;
3) nobody thought to put a check box by the "abort mission" option.

Three things...three things forced the De Won's hand: [Oh, bloody hell!]
Posted by: AlmostAnonymous5839 || 08/21/2012 15:46 Comments || Top||

#18  Three things...three things forced the De Won's hand

And so Ben Laden went under the bus.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 08/21/2012 16:21 Comments || Top||

#19  Unfortunately the military doesn't work that way outside of Hollywood.

See yesterday's Rant posting on the hit in morale the Army is taking and "lack of leadership".
Posted by: Procopius2k || 08/21/2012 16:24 Comments || Top||

#20  9819, where is your /sarc tag?
Posted by: Ebbang Uluque6305 || 08/21/2012 18:08 Comments || Top||

#21  Panetta made the call.
Posted by: newc || 08/21/2012 18:34 Comments || Top||

#22  The killing of bin Laden is at the centre of Obama’s re-election campaign

Well, maybe not now.
Posted by: JohnQC || 08/21/2012 18:39 Comments || Top||

#23  Aaaaaand 9819 is gone, erased by my magic finger.
Posted by: trailing wife || 08/21/2012 19:19 Comments || Top||


Syria-Lebanon-Iran
Syria: Military intervention will inflame regional war
The Syrian government said on Tuesday military intervention in Syria was "impossible" because it would lead to a confrontation beyond the country's borders.
That is a tad self-serving, isn't it Pencilneck?
Deputy Syrian Prime Minister Qadri Jamil, speaking at a news conference in Moscow, appeared to be responding to President Barack Obama's threat that U.S. forces could act if Syria deployed chemical weapons against rebels.

Jamil said the West was looking for an excuse for military intervention, likening the focus on Syria's chemical weapons with Western policy towards Iraq, invaded by U.S.-led forces on the grounds it was concealing weapons of mass destruction.

"The West is looking for an excuse for direct intervention. If this excuse does not work, it will look for another excuse. But it does not understand a new fact, confirmed in the international situation after the Russian-Chinese veto which has continued until this moment," he said.

He was referring to China and Russia's veto of Security Council action that would have added to international pressure on President Basher Assad, who is fighting to put down a 17-month old uprising against his rule.
Posted by: tipper || 08/21/2012 14:33 || Comments || Link || [8 views] Top|| File under:

#1  NOT-TOM-CRUISE in "INTERVENTION IMPOSSIBLE" ...

versus

* TOPIX > [Real Clear Politics/World = Guardian.UK] > ISRAEL'S ATTACK ON IRAN WILL NOT SPARK A LARGER WAR.

Ya certain about that, 'cuz its NOT what Iran's pro-"Mutual Destruction" Mullahs have said???

Iran has said it "welcomes" an Israeli attack because it will justify them destroying Israel, + prob safe to say also SSSSSHHHHH ...CCCCCCCC ditto as per the US + to dev NucWeaps + transfer Nuke-WMD techs to its Militant-Terror proxies.

* Also from TOPIX > ISRAELIS DON'T FEAR IRANIAN RETALIATION.
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 08/21/2012 23:30 Comments || Top||



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