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ISIS says it's behind Iraq blasts that killed over 90
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Afghanistan
Human Rights Watch urge Afghan govt to halt further execution of terror convicts
[Khaama (Afghanistan)] Human Rights Watch
... During the fiscal year ended June 30, 2011, HRW received a pledge from the Foundation to Promote Open Society, of which George Soros is Chairman, for general support totaling $100,000,000. The grant is being paid in installments of $10,000,000 over ten years.Through June 30, 2013, HRW had received $30,000,000 towards the fulfillment of the pledge....
(HRW) has urged the Afghan government to halt further execution of holy warriors convicted of terror offences.

The New York-based rights organization said executions by hanging of six Taliban prisoners on May 8, 2016, were the first capital sentences carried out by President Ashraf Ghani
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Posted by: Fred || 05/12/2016 00:00 || Comments || Link || [13 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Um... no.
Posted by: Pappy || 05/12/2016 9:10 Comments || Top||

#2  perhaps HRW can leave their comfy abodes, salons, and five-star dining to help pick up body parts shredded by these animals' efforts?

I thought not.

NO!
Posted by: Frank G || 05/12/2016 20:07 Comments || Top||


Africa Subsaharan
Angola Outright BANS Islam, All Mosques To Be DESTROYED

By popular demand, Angolan authorities have taken pre-emptive action and decided to ban the Muslim religion, which they consider a cult, NOT a religion. They see what Muslims are doing to non-Muslims, especially in Africa, and are taking steps to prevent the same from happening in Angola. In early October 2013, the Muslims living in Luanda in the municipality of Viana Zango were shocked to see the minaret of their mosque dismantled into pieces on the ground without permission. On Thursday 03 October in the morning, the Angolan authorities decided to destroy the mosque Zango located in the urban district of Viana 17 km. The governor of Luanda Bento announced in a radio spot that radical Muslims are not welcome in Angola and the Angolan government is not ready for the legalization of mosques in Angola.

And on Tuesday, November 19, the Minister of Culture, Rosa Cruz e Silva said. "Regarding Islam, the legalization process has not been approved by the Ministry of Justice and Human Rights. Therefore all mosques would be closed until further notice. " It should be noted that the Angolan government has made closing of all mosques a priority. The only two mosques located in Luanda have already received a warning document signed by the mayor of the municipality of Viana JosĂŠ Moreno.

The provincial governor of Luanda, Bento Bento, said on the airwaves of local radio that "radical Muslims are not welcome in Angola and the Angolan government is not ready for the legalization of mosques." Minister of Culture, Rosa Cruz e Silva explained that the law on freedom of religion will be reviewed given the current national context , noting that the Government will redouble its efforts to fight relentlessly against religious cults like Islam which are contrary to the customs
Posted by: 3dc || 05/12/2016 09:05 || Comments || Link || [4 views] Top|| File under:

#1  This is from 2013 and not verified at that time. I suspect it's bogus.
Posted by: JC || 05/12/2016 9:57 Comments || Top||

#2  So there IS common sense somewhere in this world! Last one there buys the beer . . . .
Posted by: gorb || 05/12/2016 10:19 Comments || Top||

#3  It is more or less true because Angola governement does not recognize religions with low number members. In Angola Islam is almost inexistant but there is also a governemnt and a culture that don't like Islam and what is happening.

Western World sick marxist rationalizations don't happen there.
Posted by: Tarzan Slailet2796 || 05/12/2016 15:58 Comments || Top||


Arabia
Asiri: Yemen army to enter Sanaa if talks fail
[ENGLISH.ALARABIYA.NET] If the United Nations
...the Oyster Bay money pit...
announces the failure of peace talks in Kuwait aimed at ending the year-long war in Yemen, Yemen’s internationally recognized government will launch a military operation to enter the capital Sanaa, the Saudi-led military coalition front man said on Tuesday.

Brigadier General Ahmed Asiri defended the presence of coalition troops in Yemen, saying it was meant to protect the Yemeni people, not invade the country or take its resources.

He said coalition forces used precision-guided munitions to hit targets in Yemen
...an area of the Arabian Peninsula sometimes mistaken for a country. It is populated by more antagonistic tribes and factions than you can keep track of. Except for a tiny handfull of Jews everthing there is very Islamic...
to avoid harming civilians.

Iran-allied Houthi
...a Zaidi Shia insurgent group operating in Yemen. They have also been referred to as the Believing Youth. Hussein Badreddin al-Houthi is said to be the spiritual leader of the group and most of the military leaders are his relatives. The Yemeni government has accused the Houthis of having ties to the Iranian government, which wouldn't suprise most of us. The group has managed to gain control over all of Saada Governorate and parts of Amran, Al Jawf and Hajjah Governorates. Its slogan is God is Great, Death to America™, Death to Israel, a curse on the Jews ...
rebels and Yemen’s Saudi-backed government are trying to reach a peace deal in Kuwait.

Following a two-day interruption, the two delegations resumed face-to-face talks on Monday after mediation efforts and an appeal by the U.N. envoy.

The two sides met again on Wednesday and agreed in principle on a proposal to free half of the prisoners and detainees held by both sides ahead of the holy month of Ramadan, which starts in early June.

They also discussed the mechanism of the prisoners’ exchange, Al Arabiya’s correspondent in Kuwait said.
Posted by: Fred || 05/12/2016 00:00 || Comments || Link || [8 views] Top|| File under: Houthis


Bangladesh
Pakistan accuses Bangladesh of 'killing' opposition leaders through flawed trials
[DAWN] The Foreign Office on Wednesday said it was deeply saddened over the hanging of the Jamat-e-Islami (JI) Bangladesh chief Motiur Rahman Nizami
...During the liberation war of 1971, Nizami formed the Al-Badr Force and acted as its supreme commander. The Al-Badr militia took active part in rape, extortion, looting and killing of Bangladeshis who supported the liberation, including a pre-planned massacre on December 14, 1971, when the Al-Badr militia along with Pakistan Army rounded up hundreds of doctors, professors, writers, and other Bengali intellectuals, and executed them...
after a decision by a controversial war crimes tribunal for his involvement in 1971 events.

"The act of suppressing the opposition by killing their leaders through flawed trials is completely against the spirit of democracy," Foreign Office front man Nafees Zakaria said in a statement.

The statement said it is "unfortunate" for the people of Bangladesh who had elected Nizami as their representative in the parliament.
Posted by: Fred || 05/12/2016 00:00 || Comments || Link || [13 views] Top|| File under: Govt of Pakistain Proxies


Europe
SAYING NO TO ISLAM: Hungary begins construction of 175 km long border fence
Posted by: 3dc || 05/12/2016 09:11 || Comments || Link || [13 views] Top|| File under: Human Trafficking

#1  Wait I thought our regime tells us that fences and walls don't work.

Posted by: AlanC || 05/12/2016 10:42 Comments || Top||

#2  Be sure not to build the fences too high - don't want anyone to get hurt climbing over it. Oh, and if they steal from you, that's ok, because they need it.
Posted by: Glenmore || 05/12/2016 12:25 Comments || Top||

#3  Electrify, add landsharks with friggin' lasers on their heads
Posted by: Frank G || 05/12/2016 20:10 Comments || Top||

#4  To expensive Frank G. They should just use Bears. We can Export them.
Posted by: Charles || 05/12/2016 21:49 Comments || Top||


Turkey to Europe - 'Give Us Visas Or We'll Send More Refugees
I'm trying to figure out how this should not result in a declaration of war, besides the fact we're talking about Europe...
Confirming precisely that, was a warning by Burhan Kuzu, a high-ranking deputy for Turkey’s ruling AKP party and former adviser to President Erdogan, who said that Ankara will send migrants back to the EU if the European Parliament won’t grant visa-free travel to Turkish citizens. Kuzu made several statements on Twitter in anticipation of Wednesday’s session of European parliament, at which visa exemption for Turkish nationals in the Schengen zone, as part of a migrant deal between Brussels and Ankara, was to be discussed.

"The European Parliament will discuss the report that will open Europe visa-free for Turkish citizens. If the wrong decision is taken, we will unleash the refugees!" in what was an unmistakable threat.
Posted by: Raj || 05/12/2016 01:15 || Comments || Link || [16 views] Top|| File under:

#1  It gets better - Turkey is demanding the Euros turn over the €3 billion that the European Union pledged to help refugees in Turkey directly to the Turkish government rather than disbursing it through NGOs, as agreed upon.
Posted by: Pappy || 05/12/2016 9:14 Comments || Top||

#2  .......you'll never get rid of the Dane.
Posted by: AlanC || 05/12/2016 10:44 Comments || Top||

#3  Good time for Greece to stand up. Offer to be the military shield for Europe in exchange for debt relief (and Constantinople).
Posted by: rjschwarz || 05/12/2016 15:15 Comments || Top||

#4  Greece is not up to the job. But, the third Rome already shown an interest---if not in outright conquest (at least in present), then in teaching Johnny Turk a lesson.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 05/12/2016 16:12 Comments || Top||

#5  Try to send more refugees... and we'll nuke your ass.

Posted by: DarthVader || 05/12/2016 22:06 Comments || Top||


The Grand Turk
Nine life sentences demanded for ISIL suspects in Turkey
A prosecutor has demanded nine aggravated life sentences, amounting to hundreds of years in prison, for suspected members of the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) who staged an attack in the Ulukışla district of the Central Anatolian province of Niğde in 2014.

The prosecutor also sought the acquittal of four other suspects in the hearing at the Niğde Heavy Penal Court on May 11.

The attack in March 2014, which is considered the first attack staged by ISIL in Turkey, left three people dead, including a police officer, a sergeant and a civilian, and wounded five others. Four people are being tried under arrest and five are being tried without arrest.

Four aggravated life sentences amounting to 280 years and six months in jail are sought for arrested suspect Benjamin Xu, four aggravated life sentences amounting to 285 years in prison are sought for arrested suspect Chendrim Ramadani, and one aggravated life sentence amounting to 258 years in jail is sought for arrested suspect Mohammad Zakiri.

The trial has been adjourned to June 15.
Posted by: Steve White || 05/12/2016 00:00 || Comments || Link || [10 views] Top|| File under: Islamic State

#1  How long is a 'life' sentence in a Turkiah jail?
Posted by: Glenmore || 05/12/2016 12:23 Comments || Top||


Turkish army says 4,571 PKK militants killed since July 22
The Turkish Armed Forces has stated that a total 4,571 militants of the outlawed Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK) have been killed since July 22, 2015, while 6,623 have been “neutralized” as part of anti-terror operations.

The statement said 4,571 militants were killed and 695 were wounded, while 761 were captured and 641 surrendered to the authorities.
Posted by: Steve White || 05/12/2016 00:00 || Comments || Link || [9 views] Top|| File under: Sublime Porte


India-Pakistan
Another ‘RAW agent’ released for lack of evidence, court told
[DAWN] KARACHI: The police informed the administrative judge of the antiterrorism courts on Tuesday that they had also released a fourth suspect out of the five allegedly detained for spying for India because of lack of evidence.

The counterterrorism department of police claimed to have jugged
I ain't sayin' nuttin' widdout me mout'piece!
five fishermen -- Saddam Hussain, Bachal, Nadeem, Zeeshan and Ghulam Sarwar -- on April 18.

The CTD detained them under Section 11-EEEE of the Anti-Terrorism Act, 1997 for an inquiry for allegedly having ties with and spying for Indian spying agency Research and Analysis Wing (RAW).

However,
there's more than one way to skin a cat...
an official through a report informed the court that they had also released Bachal as no evidence was found against him during the investigation.

It added that Saddam had formally been booked in a case and his remand was obtained from an area magistrate.

Earlier, the CTD had informed the administrative judge that they had released the other three suspects for want of evidence.
Posted by: Fred || 05/12/2016 00:00 || Comments || Link || [11 views] Top|| File under: Govt of Pakistan


Army on alert as Intl operatives target strategic info in Leh
[Daily Excelsior] In a serious development in sensitive districts of Leh having borders with both hostile neighbours including Pakistain and China, the Army has reported that some "inimical foreign intelligence operatives" have become active and were trying to extract information about Army including ORBAT (Order of Battle) plan from influential persons including Sarpanchs etc.

Quoting an instance and telephone number of the person, who had received such call and the telephone number from where the call was made to gather strategic information, the Army has alerted the district administration to sensitize civil persons especially elected members and office bearers, who had some information pertaining to Army and Indo-Tibetan Border Police (ITBP), who man the borders with Pakistain and China, to remain alert and not to give any kind of information to the callers.

A senior Army officer has written a detailed letter to the Deputy Commissioner, Leh intimating him about telephone call from inimical foreign intelligence operatives being received by the local people of Leh for trying to gather information about specific unit and key appointments in the area of Ladakh.

Though the letter, a copy of which was in possession of the Excelsior, didn’t mention whether the inimical foreign intelligence operatives belonged to Pakistain or China, the latter is being doubted as China shared large un-demarcated Line of Actual Control (LAC) with India in Eastern Ladakh and often resorts to transgressions on the Indian side though all such issues were now being resolved in meeting between the two sides at the Border Meeting Points (BMPs).

Citing one of the instances, the senior Army officer in his official letter has stated that a call was received by Durbuk Sarpanch Stanzin, when he was incidentally present in the Army area on his mobile telephone No. 9419344560 from telephone number 011-404609809.

"The caller identified himself as a Colonel and was trying to extract information of ORBAT (Order of Battle) plan of Army formation from the Sarpanch," the letter said.

It added that the queries made by the caller included: "whether the outstanding issue of range has been sorted out with the Army"?

On being cross-examined by the Sarpanch as to where from he (the caller) got his telephone number, he said he got it from office of the District Collector, Leh. The caller wanted to know whether all Army units are present in Leh, for which the Sarpanch said: "you ask the Army". Thereafter, the call got dropped.

According to sources, some other civilians also had received calls of similar nature. The callers were targeting only those persons, who had some sort of information about the Army and the ITBP especially the Panchayat members and Government officials, who generally remained aware about movement of the troops and their activities in view of sensitive nature of Leh.

In the letter, the Army has pointed out to the Deputy Commissioner, Leh that there was necessity to sensitize civil appointments (elected members and office bearers) of the civil administration so that the information didn’t get leaked out accidentally.

"No information regarding the Army or Indo-Tibetan Border Police (ITBP) should be divulged by anyone," the letter said.

It added that each such incident (the caller seeking information about the Army from anyone) should be immediately reported to the nearest Army unit with names of the caller and his telephone number, name and telephone number of the recipient, details sought by the caller and queries raised by him.

The Army has called upon the civil administration to conduct mock drills to rehearse the key appointments (like officials and others) in handling such calls.

As far as the Army personnel were concerned, they were already aware in handling such calls, sources said. They were not sure as to whether the calls were handiwork of Pakistain or China as both countries shared boundary with India in Leh.

Though Indian borders with Pakistain in Leh and Kargil
... three months of unprovoked Pak aggression, over 4000 dead Paks, another victory for India ...
were completely peaceful, the Chinese Army do indulge in transgressions sometimes, though their number has gone down considerably during the past two years. The Indian Army and People’s Liberation Army of China have increased number of Border Meeting Points (BMPs) from one to two and hold regular contacts to sort out the issues, if any.

Posted by: Fred || 05/12/2016 00:00 || Comments || Link || [15 views] Top|| File under: Govt of Pakistain Proxies


Syria-Lebanon-Iran
Iranian President Slams N.Korean Nuke Program
Iranian President Hassan Rouhani on Monday distanced his country from North Korea and its nuclear program.
Sounds like disinformation to me. I'd like to see all the secret traffic between the two countries.
"We want changes on the Korean Peninsula and we are, in principle, opposed to any nuclear development,” Rouhani told reporters in Tehran. "Our basic principle is that there should be no nuclear weapons on the Korean Peninsula or in the Middle East."

Rouhani did not name North Korea or Israel, but it was clear he had them in mind.
Someone miss a payment ?
He was speaking in a press conference with President Park Geun-hye, who arrived earlier in the day as the first Korean president to set foot in the country and the first female leader of a non-Muslim nation to visit Tehran.

Iran has long had a cooperative relationship with North Korea, which allegedly helped Iran develop its own nuclear program until Tehran gave it up under an international deal which led to the lifting of sanctions last year.

The remarks signal further isolation for Pyongyang in the international community.

Instead South Korea is hoping to get closer to Iran and reap the benefits of a vast resurgent market. Park is accompanied by an entourage of hundreds of business leaders, the biggest of any foreign state visit. Park and Rouhani agreed to open direct flights between the two countries, expand economic cooperation and oppose North Korea's nuclear weapons program.

Korean companies signed infrastructure business deals worth US$37.1 billion with the Iranian government. An Chong-bum, the senior presidential secretary for economic affairs, said, "These are projects that are almost certain to be won by Korean companies."

An said the amount would rise to $45.6 billion if deals that are still under negotiation are included.
Posted by: Steve White || 05/12/2016 00:00 || Comments || Link || [10 views] Top|| File under: Govt of Iran

#1  Failure to deliver?
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 05/12/2016 3:13 Comments || Top||

#2  False Flag?

PO'd that they blew up their new Persian super-intergalactic 'test missile' through incompetence?

What Mr. B said?
Posted by: Mullah Richard || 05/12/2016 10:34 Comments || Top||

#3  Pudgy wants too much money?
Posted by: Ebbang Uluque6305 || 05/12/2016 13:50 Comments || Top||


Russia plans attack on Aleppo: Opposition
[ENGLISH.ALARABIYA.NET] Iranian troops will be heading to the Damascus suburb of Ghouta to fight against Syrian rebels, while Russian forces prepare for an attack on Aleppo, a Syrian opposition figure revealed on Wednesday.

Asaad Al-Zoubi, who heads the Syrian opposition delegation in Geneva, said 3000 Iranian troops will be sent to eastern Ghouta as part of a Russian plan to "distract" Syrian rebel forces.

During an interview with Al Arabiya’s sister news channel Al Hadath, Al-Zoubi said the plan was leaked to the opposition by a spy from within the Syrian regime.

He also said the plan consists of sending more troops from Iran, the Syrian government and the Lebanese krazed killer group Hezbollah to northern Ghouta.

Russian forces will be heading to Aleppo, via Russia's Hmeimim airbase in Syria.

A local truce took effect in Aleppo last Thursday after a surge in fighting in the city killed more than 300 people and threatened to unravel a nationwide ceasefire between government forces and non-jihadist rebels in force since February.

The truce has led to a sharp reduction in the corpse count. Rebel rocket fire on government neighborhoods killed three civilians on Sunday but otherwise it has largely held.

It has been extended twice after 11th-hour diplomatic intervention by the major powers but there was no immediate word of any new extension ahead of Wednesday's expiry time.

Moscow and Washington pledged on Monday to redouble efforts to shore up the nationwide truce and reach a political settlement to the conflict which has killed more than 270,000 people in Syria since 2011.
Posted by: Fred || 05/12/2016 00:00 || Comments || Link || [11 views] Top|| File under: Govt of Syria


Terror Networks
ISIS yearly oil revenue halved to $250 mln
[ENGLISH.ALARABIYA.NET] Air strikes, a drop in the price of oil, and counter-smuggling efforts by neighboring countries have combined to cut ISIS’s oil revenues in half to about $250 million per year, a senior U.S. Treasury official said on Wednesday.
My question would be, who's buying it and why aren't the consequences costing them much more than $250m?
A US-led coalition has targeted the ultra-hardline Sunni Islamist hard boy group with Arclight airstrikes since it seized control of parts of Iraq and Syria in 2014. The U.S. military launched an intensified effort in October to go after its oil infrastructure in hopes of cutting funding to the group, which US officials call the wealthiest terrorist group of its kind.

Those strikes, along with a drop in the international price of oil, counter-smuggling efforts by The Sick Man of Europe Turkey
...the only place on the face of the earth that misses the Ottoman Empire....
, and difficulties ISIS has in transporting its oil across battle lines have combined to halve its oil revenues, said Daniel Glaser, assistant secretary for terrorist financing at the US Treasury’s Office of Terrorism and Financial Intelligence.

"The number that we had been giving previously until about early this year was $500 million a year off of oil sales. I think they’re substantially less than that now," Glaser told a think-tank event in Washington. "I think they probably make about half of what they previously made."

The group also earns about $360 million per year from taxation in the areas it controls, Glaser said. Cutting its taxation revenues is challenging because it occurs internally within ISIS territory, he said. One approach he is looking at is drying up liquidity, or the availability of cash, to ISIS-held territory, he said.

"That prevents them from taxing, it also prevents them from profiting from oil sales because I think the vast majority of their oil profits are from oil sold internally within ISIS-controlled territory," he said, using an acronym for the group.

A US military official said in January that the air campaign had reduced ISIS oil revenue by about 30 percent.

Despite the cuts in its revenue, the group still controls much of its border-spanning "caliphate," inspires global affiliates and is able to orchestrate deadly external attacks.
Posted by: Fred || 05/12/2016 00:00 || Comments || Link || [7 views] Top|| File under: Islamic State

#1  My question would be, who's buying it and why aren't the consequences costing them much more than $250m?

IMHO it's Turkey.
Posted by: JHH || 05/12/2016 13:54 Comments || Top||


Government
New Benghazi Witness Says U.S. Military Could Have Saved Lives That Day
[Fox News Bret Baier] A member of the U.S. Air Force, who was stationed in Italy during the 2012 Benghazi attacks, insisted Wednesday that the U.S. could have done more to help the four Americans who died that night.

"I definitely believe that our aircraft could have taken off and got there in a timely manner, maybe three hours at the most, in order to...at least stop that second mortar attack and have those guys running for the hills, and basically save lives that day," the man, who chose not to reveal his identity, said on Fox News’ "Special Report."

The man also shot down the military’s claim that a refueling tanker was not available at the time, claiming the excuse was invalid because U.S. jets frequently refuel using a "hot pit maneuver," allowing jets to touch down to get fuel without turning their engines off.

According to him, the military had multiple opportunities to help the four fallen Americans.

"As far as I’m concerned," he said, "we’re the world’s greatest Air Force. When we need something done and we need to save some American lives, we’re gonna get it done. They just kept telling me ’We’re waiting on a call, we’re waiting on the call."

The man, who said he did not want to hurt the military in any way, said he still feels guilty for not flying to Libya that September night.

"We could have been there, and that’s the worst part," he lamented. "That’s a horrible feeling to have, when you can help someone, especially when you don’t even find out until later, and you hear that people actually died."
Posted by: Besoeker || 05/12/2016 00:27 || Comments || Link || [15 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Cue Mad Magazine face

What? me worry?

Posted by: newc || 05/12/2016 0:36 Comments || Top||

#2  We know.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 05/12/2016 3:10 Comments || Top||

#3  ...Everybody...

Fox News got taken out to lunch on this one, and allow me to explain why.

It would have taken at least 90 minutes to two hours to get two birds properly configured for the 1,034 mile trip between Aviano and Benghazi, and that would have meant overlooking a fairly good sized chunk of The Book. This is JUST loading (20mm and AIM-9 ONLY - if you want any kind of air-to-ground munitions, add another hour or three to the time), fueling, and preflight checks - I will assume the aircrew could have been briefed en route. But even then it would have taken at least another two - three hours just to get there at any speed that would not have required scrambling a tanker into the mix.


First, we have to hang the targeting pods on the birds, and we've now just added a bit more time to the frag, not to mention the added time to build the PGMs in the first place - either guided bombs or AGM-65s (you are going to HAVE to send two of each - you don't dare assume that the first one won't crap out on you) need to be assembled and checked out before hanging, then transported out to the line, mated with the aircraft, and then checked out again. (BTW, we don't just have assembled bombs lying around for quick upload - the components stay properly and safely stored until needed lest the weather and human nature make them unusable.)

Second, the added weight has now increased our fuel usage, and we were cutting it close in the first place. Hopefully we can have a tanker or two on station as they come back. Either way, they aren't going to have enough fuel for more than one or two passes - but only if they fly slowly enough that they won't get there in time to do anything. And let's get that 'hot pit refueling' crap outta the way right now - hot pit is a absolutely real procedure for refueling/rearming a bird with minimum delay...but it requires them to LAND. Last time I looked, there were no bases in the Mediterranean Sea for them to land ON.

Third, collateral damage rears its ugly head. I don't think the 250 lb SDB is on the Lawndart yet, so that means at the very least a Mk82 500 lb weapon...with a 2000 ft danger zone from point of impact. Unless that mortar is in an open field with a half-mile on either side of it, we're hurting things we don't want to hurt. And as has been pointed out there was no direct contact between the guys on the ground and the Lawndart drivers.

So, once they get to Benghazi, close to or slightly past bingo fuel, the F-16s have only seconds to orient themselves, pick up the laser, and then drop, and all of that assumes everything works perfectly.

The reality of it is that unless there were armed and ready aircraft with tankers on station, there was little if anything we could have done. This story does nothing but embarrass Fox News and cloud the issue even further. I have no sympathy for the morons who allowed Benghazi to happen, but stories like this don't make it any better.

Mike
Posted by: Mike Kozlowski || 05/12/2016 5:48 Comments || Top||

#4  Mike. Sounds as if you're positing birds just coming from the factory with the cosmoline still fresh. Is that how they--every last one of them--stored?
Back in the day when I had the misfortune to be in Air Defense, we had an accidental genuine alert. The firing batteries were up faster than the surprise alerts--which featured guys sleeping soundly at zero-two in boots and field jackets. Of course, our parents had been adults on Dec 7, so there may be a difference.
So, are you telling us that every F16 stands bare, empty, and clean? Every last one?
Posted by: Richard Aubrey || 05/12/2016 7:58 Comments || Top||

#5  Richard,

Sadly, that is the case. It is likely that Aviano would have 2-4 birds cocked for air intercept alert, but AIM-9, AIM-120, and 20mm would have been useless in any effort to save the men on the ground. Now, if they had birds dragged for CAS - CBUs, AGM-65s, etc - that would be one thing. But there's no evidence that there were. As far as Aviano was concerned, it was just another day.

Also wanted to mention something I left out of my first post - even if the troops performed a miracle in getting the birds ready, they weren't going anywhere unless and until the Italians signed off on it. Remember that the Italians put vehicles on the runway to keep us from getting away with the bad guys after the Achille Lajro intercept.

Mike
Posted by: Mike Kozlowski || 05/12/2016 9:05 Comments || Top||

#6  I will bet that under President DJ Trump, the Italians will block our military aircraft from using runways in Italy exactly ONCE.

That is the same ONCE as the number of times that any randomly selected naval vessel can serve as a minesweeper.
Posted by: Lone Ranger || 05/12/2016 11:25 Comments || Top||

#7  Great comments MK.
Posted by: Shipman || 05/12/2016 12:06 Comments || Top||

#8  Mike. When I was in ADA--Herc--as S1, a terrible place for a simple but honest grunt, our commander told us from time to time that his staff's job was to find out how he could do what he wanted to do, not why he couldn't.
If it had been our command team at Aviano, and in the hustle and bustle, young Aubrey had forgotten to call his Italian counterpart to tell him all about it, it probably wouldn't have counted against me on my next OER.
Some of the reports had it that the requests were for, at least, a flyover, presumably going burner at 200 ft. Might have worked.
20mm is kind of surgical, all things considered.
There was a report that one of the ground guys was using a laser designator which, younger types tell me, you don't do unless you have comms with somebody ready to shoot for you.
Posted by: Richard Aubrey || 05/12/2016 12:11 Comments || Top||

#9  Fascinating insight into the complexities of the Aviano response, my bigger question is what other response options Africom or the 5th fleet had?
Posted by: NoMoreBS || 05/12/2016 12:24 Comments || Top||

#10  I understood that the gentleman was using a laser designator to fool the miscreants into thinking that they were being targeted.

Kept the 'Red Team' pinned down for a while I was told. Our guy was trying to buy some time.
Posted by: Mullah Richard || 05/12/2016 14:26 Comments || Top||

#11  5th Fleet, or any Carrier Battle Group would typically have a couple of go-fasters on the Alert 30 status; along with a recovery tanker; so it seems likely that at least a fly over could have been done to mark time until properly loaded birds arrived.

Posted by: USN, Ret. || 05/12/2016 14:54 Comments || Top||

#12  We never tried, so we'll never know.

I get what Mike is saying and thank you, Mike, for the detailed explanation.
Posted by: Steve White || 05/12/2016 16:33 Comments || Top||

#13  Yes. Mike's explanation beat any other I have heard to date. This is definitely going into the Benghazi folder/

Thank you.
Posted by: newc || 05/12/2016 17:27 Comments || Top||

#14  and nobody anticipated that on a certain anniversary, elements of "Kill those F*ckers" might need to be armed, loaded, ready-crewed? I find that totally believable with the Regime and Hillary!, but our military should have better planning based in reality, not Obama-Reality
Posted by: Frank G || 05/12/2016 20:25 Comments || Top||

#15  Unfortunately, FP is now run by politics, not reality and that is what we must prepare ourselves for.

You do not have 400 NSC members unless you want nothing to get done.
Posted by: newc || 05/12/2016 21:54 Comments || Top||



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