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-Lurid Crime Tales-
With Help Of Countless Lawyers And Judges, Elderly Murderer Escapes Justice
The oldest death row inmate in the US has died of natural causes aged 94. The Arizona Department of Corrections said Viva Leroy Nash died late on Friday at the state prison in Florence.

Nash had a criminal record dating back to the 1930s, and was deaf, mostly blind, crippled, mentally ill and had dementia, his lawyer said.

He was sentenced to death in 1983, for shooting a salesman after escaping from jail. But he managed to stave off his execution with a series of appeals.

At the time of his death, state prosecutors were appealing to the Supreme Court against a federal appeals court ruling that Nash might not be mentally competent to assist in his defence.

Nash's lawyer, Thomas Phalen, told the Associated Press his client was born in 1915 and had grown up in southern Utah. He was first imprisoned for armed robbery at the age of 15 in Kansas, he said.

He spent 25 years in prison for shooting a Connecticut police officer in 1947. Then in 1977, Nash was sentenced to two consecutive life sentences for robbery and murder in Salt Lake City, but escaped from a prison work crew in 1982.

That November, he went into a coin shop in Phoenix and shot an employee. He was arrested as he fled the scene, and was later sentenced to death for first-degree murder.
Posted by: Anonymoose || 02/15/2010 00:00 || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  At least he died inside...
Posted by: tu3031 || 02/15/2010 10:57 Comments || Top||

#2  I don't think he escaped justice.
Posted by: Anguper Hupomosing9418 || 02/15/2010 13:00 Comments || Top||


Pathetic Pistol Packing Pump Action Prof (allegedly) Built Bombs, too
The professor who is accused of killing three colleagues at the University of Alabama on Friday was a suspect in the attempted mail bombing of a Harvard Medical School professor in 1993, a law enforcement official said today.

Amy Bishop and her husband, James Anderson, were questioned after a package containing two bombs was sent to the Newton home of Dr. Paul Rosenberg, a professor and doctor at Boston's Children's Hospital.

Rosenberg was opening mail, which had been set aside by a cat-sitter, when he returned from a Caribbean vacation on Dec. 19, 1993, according to Globe reports at the time. Opening a long, thin package addressed to "Mr. Paul Rosenberg M.D.," he saw wires and a cylinder inside. He and his wife ran from the house and called police.

The package contained two 6-inch pipe bombs connected to two nine-volt batteries.

In March 1994, the Globe reported that federal investigators had identified a prime suspect in the case. But the article did not name the suspect.

A law enforcement official said today that the investigation by the US Postal Service and the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms focused on Bishop, a Harvard postdoctoral fellow who was working in the human biochemstry lab at Children's Hospital at the time, and her husband, Anderson.

Bishop surfaced as a suspect because she was allegedly concerned that she was going to receive a negative evaluation from Rosenberg on her doctorate work, the official said. The official said investigators believed she had a motive to target Rosenberg and were concerned that she had a history of violence, given that she had shot her brother to death in 1986.

Investigators conducted a search of the home where Bishop and Anderson were living and questioned the couple, the official said. Anderson was questioned about whether he had purchased any of the components used to make the bombs, the official said. During a search of Bishop's computer, authorities found a draft of a novel that Bishop was writing about a female scientist who had killed her brother and was hoping to make amends by becoming a great scientist, according to a person who was briefed on the investigation and spoke to the Globe on the condition of anonymity.

Sylvia Fluckiger, a lab technician who worked with Bishop at the time, said Bishop had been in a dispute with Rosenberg shortly before the bombs were discovered.

Shortly after the attempted bombing, Fluckiger said, Bishop told her she had been questioned by police. According to Fluckiger, Bishop said police asked her if she had ever taken stamps off an envelope that had been mailed to her and put them on something else.

"She said it with a smirk on her face,'' said Fluckiger. "We knew she had a beef with Paul Rosenberg. And we really thought it was a really unbelievable coincidence that he would get those bombs."
Posted by: Nimble Spemble || 02/15/2010 00:00 || Comments || Link || [6 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I did wonder what a Harvard grad was doing in Alabama state U.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 02/15/2010 2:57 Comments || Top||

#2  Angry, moonbat scientist with history of violence in dispute with Jewish professor, biochem lab, pipe bombs.... nope, not enuf evidence for the ATF. We'll just wait until she actually whacks somebody....again.
Posted by: Besoeker || 02/15/2010 4:49 Comments || Top||

#3  Several other bits. It is being suggested that there was some considerable involvement of her Democrat congressman Bill Delahunt, in dropping the investigation of her brother's death:

http://myturl.com/0pA2Z

Also, that the rest of her family seems to have vanished and left no forwarding address. Which have led some wits to opine that maybe the police should dig up her backyard.
Posted by: Anonymoose || 02/15/2010 8:55 Comments || Top||

#4  Link for the family "vanishing"?
Posted by: Bright Pebbles || 02/15/2010 9:23 Comments || Top||

#5  I did wonder what a Harvard grad was doing in Alabama state U.

Happens a lot, for two reasons:

First, the grads come from all over the country, and most of the ones who came from outside New England return to their home regions.

Second, Harvard doesn't keep many of its own grads. In fact, internal promotion candidates have a very hard time at Harvard; Harvard prefers to pick off the very best from elsewhere and dismiss their own internals. So the latter group head off to other institutions where they can get jobs. Crazy, but that's how they do it.
Posted by: Steve White || 02/15/2010 9:41 Comments || Top||

#6  That is, after all, the natural progression at the Ivies. They over-produce PhDs, and dump them on the state systems. It even happens with the better state schools. I know someone from PSU who ended up in northern Alabama because his wife got a job teaching at some barely-credentialed state school in the boonies. In general, colleges don't like to hire their own - it's supposed to cut down on group-think and cronyism if you don't get a job at the school you got your postgrad. When I was a student, they also said that they didn't want you doing postgrad work at the school you got your bachelors from.

Did you see Bishop's mugshot? She's got a face that just *screams* "Maoist lunatic", right down to the Moe Howard bowl cut.
Posted by: Mitch H. || 02/15/2010 10:00 Comments || Top||

#7  Geraldo reported she shot her younger accomplished brother and her mother worked at police personnel, where records have mysteriously vanished, too.
Posted by: Lumpy Elmoluck5091 || 02/15/2010 10:01 Comments || Top||

#8  Mitch - That's right, the strategy to cut down on groupthink is for everybody to hire Ivy League graduates.
Posted by: Skunky Angeack7024 || 02/15/2010 10:31 Comments || Top||

#9  I've suggested that our next tenure review meeting be done by teleconference.
Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy || 02/15/2010 10:32 Comments || Top||

#10  Skunk - I didn't say it was a *credible* theory, just that it is the one which generates this sort of thing. Well, that, and the oversupply of Ivy PhDs.
Posted by: Mitch H. || 02/15/2010 10:39 Comments || Top||

#11  #2 Angry, moonbat scientist with history of violence in dispute with Jewish professor, biochem lab, pipe bombs.... nope, not enuf evidence for the ATF. We'll just wait until she actually whacks somebody....again.
Posted by: Besoeker 2010-02-15 04:49


Actually I think Besoeker has outlined her credentials well enough to make her a front runner for Obama's next administration appointment.
Posted by: WolfDog || 02/15/2010 11:47 Comments || Top||

#12  For the record, the Rantburg legal team from Dewey, Cheatam & Howe advised insertion of the (alleged) in the headline and some mod complied with the directive from the Bureau of Standards & Practices. It weren't me.
Posted by: Nimble Spemble || 02/15/2010 19:16 Comments || Top||

#13  Uh, uh, PENN STATE INTEL-PYWAR is trying to wipe out the 'BAMA CRIMSON TIDE???

Gut nuthin.
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 02/15/2010 20:00 Comments || Top||

#14  An American University trying to blow up anuther Amer University, AND NO ONE GETS SENT TO GITMO - THERE GOES THE TAILGATE PARTY!
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 02/15/2010 20:04 Comments || Top||

#15  Go get 'em Joe, Roll Tide!
Posted by: notascrename || 02/15/2010 22:40 Comments || Top||

#16  Huntsville is also home to NASA's Marshall Space Flight Center and the Army's Redstone Arsenal.
Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain || 02/15/2010 22:46 Comments || Top||

#17  If my name was Fluckiger, I would try to stay out of the press.
Posted by: Skunky Glins**** || 02/15/2010 23:05 Comments || Top||


State lawmakers work on bills to limit property seizures by police
Efforts are under way to change Michigan's civil forfeiture laws that allow police to seize property without proving a crime occurred.
You mean search and seizure would have to be reasonable? How Fourth Amendmenty....
State law allows police to take property, usually vehicles, for any reason, even in the absence of criminal activity. A Detroit News investigation in November found that vehicles sometimes are seized even when police admit no crime took place.
"It's not unreasonable search and seizure. It's just a case of the state saying 'gimme yer stuff.'"
Two Michigan lawmakers are working on separate bills that would restrict police power over civil seizures.
I'm trying to figure why we have courts...
Meanwhile, a candidate for Wayne County sheriff, who was in charge of a department that seized thousands of vehicles over the past four years, says, if elected, he would overhaul the seizure process in Wayne County. "Under the current ordinance, there doesn't have to be a crime proven in order to seize someone's vehicle," said Walter Epps, a former Wayne County sheriff's lieutenant who ran the department's Morality Squad for more than four years.
In one case, The News found that officers from the Morality Squad seized a Southgate man's vehicle after he talked to a decoy prostitute -- even though the undercover officer admitted in her written report that the man hadn't solicited her during their brief conversation.
"But I feel if we're going to take someone's car, the least we should do is to charge them with the crime or issue them a ticket."
How about getting a felony conviction before they've gotta give anything up?
In one case, The News found that officers from the Morality Squad seized a Southgate man's vehicle after he talked to a decoy prostitute -- even though the undercover officer admitted in her written report that the man hadn't solicited her during their brief conversation.
I'm trying to figure when we came up with a Commission for the Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vices...
In another case, a Red Cross employee's vehicle was seized by the Morality Squad after she picked up a co-worker at a Detroit bank. Because the vehicle owner's co-worker had stood on a street corner making eye contact with passing motorists while waiting for her ride, police determined she was acting like a prostitute, even though she never was charged for soliciting.
It's too bad we don't have a constitutional amendment prohibiting that sort of thing...
Motorists must pay $900, plus towing and storage fees, to get their vehicles back; otherwise, they become property of the seizing agency and usually are sold at auction.
The word you're probably looking for is "rapacious."
Two state lawmakers also are trying to pass laws to prevent police in Michigan from seizing people's property without officially accusing them of a crime. State Rep. Gabe Leland, D-Detroit, introduced a package of bills in December that would require police to seek charges before seizing property.
Posted by: Fred || 02/15/2010 00:00 || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Motorists must pay $900, plus towing and storage fees, to get their vehicles back; otherwise, they become property of the seizing agency and usually are sold at auction.

Of course nothing to do, nothing at all mind you... with gangster towing companies and crooked cop kickbacks. This is Deetroit, right? Let me see, what Federal Bureau might be responsible for having a look into this type of activitiy?
Posted by: Besoeker || 02/15/2010 4:17 Comments || Top||

#2  What will off-duty policemen drive if they can't steal people's cars legally?
Posted by: Perfesser || 02/15/2010 9:54 Comments || Top||

#3  The seizure and forfeiture of property and cash has gotten out of control everywhere, not just Detroit. Forfeiture gives the police a vested interest in on-going criminal enterprises like the drug trade. Economics is all about incentives. If a police department can make a good living from crime, why would they want it to go away?
Posted by: SteveS || 02/15/2010 9:57 Comments || Top||

#4  If a police department can make a good living from crime, why would they want it to go away? Especially when dropping tax revenues force cutbacks in funding of police departments, as is happening nationwide.
Posted by: Anguper Hupomosing9418 || 02/15/2010 10:18 Comments || Top||

#5  The Lincoln Park Pirates
by Steve Goodman

The streetlamps are on in Chicago tonight,
and lovers are gazin' at stars.
The stores are all closing and Daley is dozing,
and the Fat Man is counting the cars.
"And there's more cars than places to put 'em" he says,
"But I've got room for some more.
So round 'em up boys, 'cause I want some more toys.
Hit the lot by the grocery store!"

To me way, hey, tow them away!
The Lincoln Park Pirates are we.
From Wilmette to Gary, there's nothing so hairy,
and we always collect our fee.
To me way, hey, tow them away!
We plunder the streets of your town!
Be it Edsel or Chevy, there's no car too heavy,
and no one can make us shut down!


We break into cars when we gotta,
With pickax and hammer and saw,
And they say this garage has no license.
But little care I for the law.
All my drivers and friendly and courteous,
Their good manners you always will get,
'Cause they all are recent graduates
of the charm school in Joliet."

(Chorus)

And when all the cars are collected,
and all of their fenders are ruined,
Then I'll tow every boat in Belmont Harbor
to the Lincoln Park Lagoon.
And when I've collected the ransom,
and sunk all the ones that won't yield,
Then I'll tow all the planes that are blocking the runway at Midway, OHare and Meigs* Fields!

(Chorus)

"To me way, hey, tow them away!"
Now citizens, gather around,
I think it's enough.
Let's call his bluff.
Let's tow the bum out of town!

*Meigs Field was the airport at the lakefront, near the Planetarium, that King Daley II ordered bulldozed in the middle of the night to cut short further discussion of whether or not to keep it.
Posted by: mom || 02/15/2010 12:26 Comments || Top||

#6  FWIW the song as performed by Steve Goodman

Posted by: Don Vito Anginegum8261 || 02/15/2010 19:18 Comments || Top||

#7  And I hear about Alabama being backwards! We are just now getting laws so peoples cars can be impounded if they have no liscence and insurance. Mostly pointed at illegal aliens (works)! Thats one thing I like about Alabama, we have practical laws, If the law isn't practical, the people ignore it and the law won't enforce it.
Posted by: notascrename || 02/15/2010 23:27 Comments || Top||


-Obits-
Knack's lead singer Doug Fieger dies at 57
With a keen musical ear and an early love of the stage, Fieger was a student at Oak Park's Clinton Junior High when he started his first professional band -- launching the path that would ultimately lead him to the top of the pop charts.

Fieger, best known as the founding vocalist-guitarist of the Knack, died this morning at home in Woodland Hills, Calif., after a six-year battle with cancer. He was 57....

Having moved to L.A. after cutting his teeth on the Detroit rock scene, Fieger became an overnight millionaire with the hit "My Sharona" in 1979.
One of the great "guilty pleasure" songs of all time.
Though he never re-created that single's blockbuster success, he continued touring under the Knack banner, including a final hometown show at DTE Energy Music Theatre in July 2003....
Posted by: Mike || 02/15/2010 15:02 || Comments || Link || [8 views] Top|| File under:

#1  not exactly "the day the music died", but RIP, Doug. 57 is wayyyy too young
Posted by: Frank G || 02/15/2010 15:39 Comments || Top||

#2  MY SHARONA
Posted by: Creng Jones5204 || 02/15/2010 18:49 Comments || Top||

#3  I thought it was "My Bologna".
Posted by: Deacon Blues || 02/15/2010 19:16 Comments || Top||

#4  Died too young. When I hear this song, My Sharona, I see the Solid Gold Dancers in my mind. Not a bad thing.
Posted by: Whiskey Mike || 02/15/2010 20:41 Comments || Top||

#5  That music makes me cringe...can't stand it.
Of course that doesn't prevents me to say RIP to him.
Posted by: Glush Wittlesbach8127 || 02/15/2010 21:46 Comments || Top||

#6  'My Sharona' was written about a real girlfriend that rocked his world for 4 years. Sounds like a real wildman but I was surprised his brother is attorney Geoffrey Fieger.
Posted by: Lumpy Elmoluck5091 || 02/15/2010 23:47 Comments || Top||


Down Under
Whaling protester boards Japanese ship
An anti-whaling protester committed an act of piracy by boarding a Japanese whaling ship to make a citizen's arrest, a spokesman for the whalers said.

Peter Bethune, a protester with Sea Shepherd, was detained Monday aboard the Shonan Maru 2, which last month collided with and sank the Ady Gill, a Sea Shepherd boat that Bethune was aboard when it went down.

Bethune boarded the Shonan Maru 2 Monday while it was under way in the Southern Ocean so he could make a citizen's arrest of its captain and present the crew with a $3 million bill for the loss of the Ady Gill, the Australian Broadcasting Corp. reported.

Glenn Inwood, a New Zealand-based spokesman for the whalers, accused Bethune of piracy.

"It doesn't matter what his flight of fantasy was, whether he thinks he was there to make an arrest, whether he thinks he was there to deliver a bill, it's illegal," Inwood said.

Bethune cut his hand boarding the ship and was being treated by a doctor on the ship as Japanese authorities considered their next move, Inwood said.
Posted by: john frum || 02/15/2010 09:14 || Comments || Link || [4 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Piracy Trial.
Posted by: Bright Pebbles || 02/15/2010 9:25 Comments || Top||

#2  Japanese authorities considered their next move, Inwood said.

Japanese prison, he'll just love it.
Posted by: Besoeker || 02/15/2010 9:26 Comments || Top||

#3  Go save the shrimps. Its easier, trust me.
Posted by: Marilyn Thrineper8949 || 02/15/2010 9:27 Comments || Top||

#4  There was a song called, "What do we do with the Drunken Sailor," which has many suggestions on how to deal with the likes of Peter Bethune. It's a start. MT8949 gets the prize for the thread.

Go save the shrimps. It's easier, trust me.

ROFLMAO
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 02/15/2010 9:50 Comments || Top||

#5  They still got yard arms?
Posted by: AlanC || 02/15/2010 10:07 Comments || Top||

#6  Good comments. I'm actually against whaling but I absolutely despise these arrogant media-monkeys and their piratical attempts to determine, and enforce, law and policy on the high seas. I wonder if it ever crosses their minds that not everyone out here in the real world (the "audience" to them) recognizes their authority to do so?
Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy || 02/15/2010 10:25 Comments || Top||

#7  Note that SS is a lily-white leisure-class gang attacking non-white working people. Sea Shepherd would be condemned as a racist enterprise if eco-wackies did not get an automatic pass from the media.
Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy || 02/15/2010 10:28 Comments || Top||

#8  >
Posted by: Snakes Unise9498 || 02/15/2010 10:44 Comments || Top||

#9  I figure by tomorrow they'll be bitching about how he's "being held hostage".
Posted by: tu3031 || 02/15/2010 10:55 Comments || Top||

#10  Tie a 10lb weight to his legs and toss him over the side.
Posted by: DarthVader || 02/15/2010 11:07 Comments || Top||

#11  Current Japanese submarines
(I'm sure they could dig up a deck gun somewhere to cope with smaller pirate scows.)
Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy || 02/15/2010 11:11 Comments || Top||

#12  Better clean off my bifocals. I read the headline as "Wailing boarder protests Japanese ship".

Or does that make just about as much sense as what Mr. Bethune is doing?
Posted by: mom || 02/15/2010 12:28 Comments || Top||

#13  How can you make a "citizen's arrest" in international waters? On a Japanese national nonetheless, whose nation-state I'm pretty sure doesn't have such a thing as "citizen's arrests". It's a creature of the common law, isn't it?
Posted by: Mitch H. || 02/15/2010 12:40 Comments || Top||

#14  Throw him in the freezer with the rest of the blubber. Let's see what he fetches at auction.
Posted by: ed || 02/15/2010 12:46 Comments || Top||

#15  you'd never get the stink off the blubber
Posted by: Frank G || 02/15/2010 12:58 Comments || Top||

#16  Toss him overboard, boys. Oh, alright - give him a life vest first.
Posted by: mojo || 02/15/2010 13:02 Comments || Top||

#17  Properly, the whaling ship should keep him until he can be turned over to the Japanese Navy, with intent to prosecute.

This is where it gets interesting. I believe that in the Japanese legal system, you can be held for up to six months without charge or family notification, unless you sign a confession admitting wrongdoing. Then you are released immediately.

However, if you sign such a confession, conviction is almost guaranteed, and appeal is very, very unusual.

Being a foreign national, his home nation embassy would be contacted, but there is little they could do.

The conclusion of this is that, at a minimum, he would get to enjoy several months in Japanese prison, on a diet of rice and fish heads, before deportation, and if they wanted to charge him with piracy, he is looking at a dozen or more years.

Otherwise, the government of Japan could pretty much hold him hostage. And since his fanatical brothers would not behave themselves, he would get the max.

In any event, fun fun fun.
Posted by: Anonymoose || 02/15/2010 13:06 Comments || Top||

#18  The only smart way to deal with him (as a pirate) would be to beat the shit out of him and then hang him. Do it in broad daylight so he friends can watch.
Posted by: Cyber Sarge || 02/15/2010 13:30 Comments || Top||

#19  That was wonderful, Snakes Unise9498! My dear mother, who learnt the vocabulary of cussing as an academic exercise before going to work at a VA hospital during the Korean War, used to sing the first verse to us when we were small children. I never knew there was more, or that it was inappropriate for said small children.
Posted by: trailing wife || 02/15/2010 14:11 Comments || Top||

#20  I figure by tomorrow they'll be bitching about how he's "being held hostage"

As I recall they already tried that - and got not sympathy....
Posted by: CrazyFool || 02/15/2010 16:14 Comments || Top||

#21  What a maroon
In a covering letter Bethune states: "I am here to arrest you. I am requesting that you transfer now to the Steve Irwin, where we will take you into custody, and we will deliver you to the Maritime Safety Authority and the New Zealand Police once we reach Wellington (New Zealand)."

"If you refuse to be arrested, then I am requesting that you deliver me to Wellington (New Zealand). Having sunk my vessel, and with our issuing of a mayday call, you have an obligation under maritime law to provide me with safe passage back to land."

"I will refuse to be handed over to any Sea Shepherd vessel. I will also refuse to be handed over to any New Zealand or Australian Coastguard, Customs or Naval vessel. I will only leave the Shonan Maru when you transfer with me to the Steve Irwin, or when we arrive on land, be it New Zealand or Australia."

"I am enclosing an invoice for US$3m, representing the new replacement cost of the Ady Gil. You are responsible for the collision and as such, you are also responsible for paying for its replacement."

"I commit to you that while I am on your vessel, that I will not impede or disrupt your crew and their activities."

The invoice, dated 14 February 2010, says "If payment is not forthcoming within four weeks of receiving this document, we will be proceeding with criminal charges in Japan against your company. We will be seeking punitive damages, in addition to the full replacement cost of the Ady Gil. Further to this, we will be laying criminal charges against the Captain of the Shonan Maru #2."
Posted by: john frum || 02/15/2010 16:19 Comments || Top||

#22  Throw him back, he's undersize!
Posted by: Aussie Mike || 02/15/2010 17:13 Comments || Top||

#23  Technically (if the quoted letter is correct), it's not piracy as defined by maritime law (now known as UNCLOS - which Japan signed and ratified). He is guilty of trespassing and a case could possibly be made for a charge of interfering with the safe navigation of a ship

I like 'moose's idea of turning him over to the JMSDF. Even better would be the Japan Coastguard, but the Shonan Maru #2 would have to wait until it got back into Japanese waters. But they'll probably turn him over to the one of the local maritime authorities (likely forcibly).

And - I'd bill Sea Shepherd for the cost of this idiot's stay.
Posted by: Pappy || 02/15/2010 17:42 Comments || Top||

#24  I seem to remember an episode of that show Whale Wars on Discovery where these same Sea Shepherd guys did this before. Don't bother watching the show, it'll just piss you off. They sent two guys over after a prolonged harassment and several attempts to foul the Shonan Maru's prop. As soon as they were aboard the Sea Shepherd crew immediately radioed the Aussies to report "kidnapping" of two crew members by the Shonan Maru. The whalers held them for a while but eventually released them back to the Steve Irwin. I despise whaling too, but until international law is changed the Japanese are going to exploit the 1,000 whales/year for "scientific research" loophole.
Posted by: Lowspark || 02/15/2010 18:17 Comments || Top||

#25  an alternative is to forcefully disembark them on "neutral land" i.e. Antarctica, with limited rations and coordinates given to the Sea Shepards. Make them expend fuel, time, expense, and PR points, since you coughed the bastards up on neutral land
Posted by: Frank G || 02/15/2010 18:40 Comments || Top||

#26  They should take good care of him while he is in custody. I suggest offering him hearty meals of whale steak, cooked to perfection by the ship's cook. If he decides to go on a hunger strike, let's see how long that lasts when there is food right next to him.
Posted by: Anonymoose || 02/15/2010 19:31 Comments || Top||

#27  The scene from the movie 1941 (catch at 3:05) with Capt. Wild Bill Kelso comes to mind, when he climbs aboard the Japanese sub, "Turn this tub around".
Posted by: Procopius2k || 02/15/2010 21:51 Comments || Top||


Europe
Germans say euro zone may have to expel Greece
A majority of Germans want debt-ridden Greece to be thrown out of the euro zone if necessary and more than two-thirds oppose handing Athens billions of euros in credit, a poll published on Sunday showed.

Vocal opposition to aid for Greece from members of Chancellor Angela Merkel's coalition also grew at the weekend with several senior politicians expressing skepticism, especially as Germany's own recovery is fragile.

The Emnid poll for Bild am Sonntag newspaper showed 53 percent of Germans asked said the European Union should, if necessary, expel Greece from the euro zone.

Athens has struggled to convince investors it is tackling its debt crisis and markets are nervous about a default.

EU leaders discussed the issue last week and offered words of support but failed to outline concrete steps, further unsettling markets. Euro zone finance ministers are expected to discuss Greece again on Monday and Tuesday.

Merkel has adopted a cautious stance on support, saying while Greece will not be left on its own, it is up to Athens to sort out its own problems.

The poll also showed 67 percent of Germans did not want Germany and other EU states to give billions of euros in credit to Greece.

"If we start now, where do we stop?" Michael Fuchs, deputy head of Merkel's conservatives in parliament, told Welt am Sonntag newspaper. "I can't explain to people on unemployment benefit that they won't get a cent more but Greeks can draw a pension at 63."

In her first term, Merkel raised Germany's retirement age to 67 from 65 in an effort to rein in the deficit to meet EU goals.
Posted by: Fred || 02/15/2010 00:00 || Comments || Link || [7 views] Top|| File under:

#1  By, by Greece.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 02/15/2010 2:58 Comments || Top||

#2  At least the German people understand Moral Hazard.
Posted by: phil_b || 02/15/2010 3:43 Comments || Top||

#3  It's only a pity they didn't do the same for the banks.

Bailing out depositors would have been cheaper, and because bank collapses are deflationary, it's possible to safely print money without net inflation.
Posted by: Bright Pebbles || 02/15/2010 6:17 Comments || Top||

#4  more than two-thirds oppose handing Athens billions of euros in credit

1) Hope German gov't listens better than ours;
2) Hope Zero doesn't take this as an "opportunity" to suck up to the world and give Greece OUR money. I know he doesn't care what 2/3s of Americans think.
Posted by: AlanC || 02/15/2010 6:51 Comments || Top||

#5  Germany won't bailout Greece. Greece will default on its Euro debt and the cascade will spread to the rest of the PIIGS.

It's going to be an interesting few weeks.
Posted by: phil_b || 02/15/2010 8:27 Comments || Top||

#6  If you hate the EUSSR like I do, then this is a pop-corn moment.
Posted by: Bright Pebbles || 02/15/2010 9:26 Comments || Top||

#7  Germany won't bailout Greece. Greece will default on its Euro debt and the cascade will spread to the rest of the PIIGS. Phil

Short-term consequences? Euro drops, USD gains strength, US Exports to Europe decline.

Posted by: Besoeker || 02/15/2010 9:30 Comments || Top||

#8  Think of a currency drop as a pay cut for everyone paid in that currency.

Would you want to trade more with someone who just had a pay cut?
Posted by: Bright Pebbles || 02/15/2010 9:45 Comments || Top||

#9  Next on the radar, or EU agenda, if you please:


  • Portugal

  • Spain



The govt wants belt tightening. The unions won't do it. Everyone is up to the gunnels in debt. No easy way out. General strikes, civil unrest.

The US is heading that way, too.
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 02/15/2010 9:56 Comments || Top||

#10  because bank collapses are deflationary, it's possible to safely print money without net inflation. Aren't defaults on debts also deflationary?
Posted by: Anguper Hupomosing9418 || 02/15/2010 10:16 Comments || Top||

#11  All reductions in debt including defaults are deflationary. This is because most debt is used to purchase real property. Less money available to purchase property results in price declines.

It's generally assumed that property deflation and consumer price deflation always occur together, because thats what happened in the 20th century (The Great Depression, Japan since the 1990s). However, IMO both were special cases and this time around we will see the opposite, simultaneous property deflation and consumer price inflation.

One reason I think this is that the main lever governments have to stimulate the economy is to put more money in consumer pockets, while less debt causes fewer productive assets to be built, ie demand increases while supply decreases.

Although, Japan's experience was putting more money in consumer pockets just made them save more. There is already evidence that Americans and Europeans are saving more, so perhaps I am wrong about consumer price inflation.
Posted by: phil_b || 02/15/2010 11:03 Comments || Top||

#12  To have consumer price inflation, don't you have to have increasing consumer income, or at least increasing consumer debt? Both income & debt seem to be either flat or decreasing in the US. Sellers can jack up their asking prices to the moon, but that doesn't mean buyers will meet those prices.
Posted by: Anguper Hupomosing9418 || 02/15/2010 11:06 Comments || Top||

#13  Maybe Germany can......

Oh, sorry.

Wrong war.
Posted by: Kelly || 02/15/2010 11:12 Comments || Top||

#14  Coming onto the radar.

Spanish intelligence probe 'debt attacks' blamed for sabotaging country's economy

Posted by: tipper || 02/15/2010 11:49 Comments || Top||

#15  Feb. 15 (Bloomberg) -- The European Union’s statisticians weren’t aware that Greece used currency swaps to disguise holes in its balance sheet, the EU said
Posted by: Anguper Hupomosing9418 || 02/15/2010 13:16 Comments || Top||

#16  Anguper Hupomosing9418
I'm sending you the bill for my new Bullshit detection meter, it exploded in sparks from an overload.
Posted by: Bright Pebbles || 02/15/2010 15:00 Comments || Top||

#17  To have consumer price inflation, don't you have to have increasing consumer income, or at least increasing consumer debt?

Or you have a critical commodity spike as with the Arab Oil embargo of the early 70s. While they're now as much tied to the flow in dependency of income, then they were then, to maintain economic balance and domestic stability, it doesn't mean they have to execute the transactions in US dollars. If the external holders of American money start to dump their holdings for something else [and the euro isn't looking too good now], you'll see lots of dollars chasing such commodities making importing them far more expensive [in world market competition]. When its a component that effects nearly all aspect of the economy directly or indirectly [as in transportation of goods and services], you'll see overall costs rise even without an increase in consumer income or debt.
Posted by: Procopius2k || 02/15/2010 15:16 Comments || Top||

#18  Bulk shipping rates have moved up sharply over the last 6 months. Indicating a commodity price spike in progress.

But perhaps just the last splurge of the China bubble, before reduced consumer demand and economic protectionism kick in.
Posted by: phil_b || 02/15/2010 16:38 Comments || Top||

#19  Sometimes politicians tell the truth.

Papaconstantinou (Greek Finance Minister) said in Brussels today that “People think we are in a terrible mess. And we are,”
Posted by: phil_b || 02/15/2010 16:58 Comments || Top||

#20  Expel Greece and the EEEEE--UUU---RRR ---OOOOO is a Zimbabwe "dollar" over night !
Posted by: Daffy Speger7083 || 02/15/2010 18:54 Comments || Top||

#21  So in the short term (45 days) buy US dollars and oil futures; then swap into Swiss Francs and krona.

Posted by: Spanky Wheack7175 || 02/15/2010 19:31 Comments || Top||

#22  "A majority of Germans want debt-ridden Greece to be thrown out of the euro zone"

A majority of Germans didn't want the Euro in the first place.
Posted by: European Conservative || 02/15/2010 21:07 Comments || Top||

#23  California take heed.
Posted by: rwv || 02/15/2010 23:28 Comments || Top||

#24  A majority of Germans didn't want the Euro in the first place.

That's what I recall, European Conservative. They were concerned about having to foot the bill in exactly this situation.
Posted by: trailing wife || 02/15/2010 23:31 Comments || Top||

#25  In the short term - cash or gold if you are risk inclined.

The countries that have been replacing USD with EUR in their reserves will now start to dump the EUR.
Posted by: phil_b || 02/15/2010 23:48 Comments || Top||


Riot in Milan After Egyptian Stabbed By South American
Dozens of angry North Africans overturned cars and smashed shop windows in an area of the city which in recent years has become one of the most multicultural pockets of Europe.

The trouble began on Saturday after a 19-year-old was killed by a group of immigrants from South America following an argument on a bus.

The North Africans, most of them Egyptian, then went on a rampage in the northeastern area of Via Padova, attacking shops and businesses owned by immigrants from Peru, Ecuador and other South American countries.
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Posted by: Anonymoose || 02/15/2010 00:00 || Comments || Link || [4 views] Top|| File under:

#1 
wrong guys to pick on
Posted by: 3dc || 02/15/2010 0:36 Comments || Top||

#2  I'm struggling to not link to it, but the Randy Travis song "A Better Class of Losers" has been going through my head since reading this.
Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain || 02/15/2010 1:11 Comments || Top||

#3  Multiculturalism JUST DOESN'T WORK.
Posted by: Bright Pebbles || 02/15/2010 6:10 Comments || Top||

#4  Unless you are wanting the votes of immigrants , BP . Then it works just fine ....
Posted by: Oscar || 02/15/2010 6:51 Comments || Top||

#5  Oh I don't know. Immigrants aren't all going to be voting from gratitude to the Labour party.

I don't think Labours imported Islamists will be voting for Labour.
Posted by: Bright Pebbles || 02/15/2010 9:52 Comments || Top||

#6  Italy will get really interesting if/when the Euro financial crisis hurts that country.
Posted by: Anguper Hupomosing9418 || 02/15/2010 10:58 Comments || Top||

#7  Geez, I thought "multiculturalism" was supposed to be so wonderful...
Posted by: tu3031 || 02/15/2010 11:02 Comments || Top||

#8  here, tu - have a Kwanzaa burrito
Posted by: Frank G || 02/15/2010 11:14 Comments || Top||

#9  Looks like they need an airdrop of "Coexist" bumper stickers...
Posted by: tu3031 || 02/15/2010 11:17 Comments || Top||

#10  Depending on how much of the Italian economy is actually outside government control will determine how well they survive the debt crisis.
Posted by: Skunky Glins**** || 02/15/2010 23:26 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Politix
Obama appoints envoy to OIC
US President Barack Obama has appointed Rashad Hussain to serve as his special envoy to the Jeddah-based Organization of the Islamic Conference (OIC).

“As an accomplished lawyer and a close and trusted member of my White House staff, Rashad has played a key role in developing the partnerships I called for in Cairo,' the president said when he made the announcement on Saturday. “As a hafiz of the Qur'an, he is a respected member of the American Muslim community, and I thank him for carrying forward this important work.'

Hussain is currently deputy associate counsel to Obama. His work at the White House focuses on national security, new media and science and technology issues. Hussain has also worked with National Security Staff in pursuing the new beginning that Obama outlined in his June 2009 address in Cairo.
Posted by: ryuge || 02/15/2010 02:41 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  "As a hafiz of the Qur'an, he is a respected member of the American Muslim community, and I thank him for carrying forward this important work."

Imagine if you well, Barry extolling the credentials of ANYONE who had completly memorized the King James Version of the Bible.
Posted by: Besoeker || 02/15/2010 4:28 Comments || Top||

#2  Rashad Hussain - Wikipedia write-up I think Zero is being modest about RH's background.

Besoeker - We could also refer to Rashad Hussain as Sheikh Rashad Hussain. When a person has completed their undergraduate university studies in Islamic studies and are trained in giving lectures. The word sheikh under this meaning is a synonym of Alim, pl. Ulema, (a learned person in Islam, a scholar), Mawlawi, Mawlana, Muhaddith, Faqih, Qadi, Mufti, Hadhrat or Hafiz.

Perhaps RH would be considered a Deacon, if he were a Christian and a part of the UCC.
Posted by: Slusosh Barnsmell6132 || 02/15/2010 6:37 Comments || Top||


India-Pakistan
Lahore gives lukewarm response to Valentine's Day
Posted by: ryuge || 02/15/2010 03:15 || Comments || Link || [4 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Because telling teenagers and young adults that they should ignore their hormones always works. Especially when girls realize that not having a date for Valentine's Day means that you are unpopular.
Posted by: Anonymoose || 02/15/2010 13:10 Comments || Top||

#2  that you are unpopular or not putting it out on easy street.
Posted by: Marilyn Thrineper8949 || 02/15/2010 13:23 Comments || Top||

#3  I beg your pardon, Anonymoose? Since when is popularity the goal, instead of loving and being loved by someone worth cherishing? I'd much rather hang out with friends than seek to garner the attentions of someone whose only attribute of interest is being a member of the opposite sex with the gumption to ask for my phone number. Counting coup is a stupid way to organize one's life.
Posted by: trailing wife || 02/15/2010 15:58 Comments || Top||

#4  Thank you.
Posted by: Gloria || 02/15/2010 16:20 Comments || Top||

#5  I'm sitting here next to my beloved and loving husband of 35 years and agreeing, TW.
Posted by: lotp || 02/15/2010 19:38 Comments || Top||

#6  tw, et al: We're talking teens and young adults, here. All hormones and nerve ends. Popularity *is* the goal. Not marrying or being in a loving relationship, just looking like you are worth marrying, and at are attractive to the opposite sex.
Posted by: Anonymoose || 02/15/2010 19:38 Comments || Top||

#7  Maybe for you and yours, moose.
Posted by: Nimble Spemble || 02/15/2010 19:55 Comments || Top||

#8  What about the segment of teens who strive at being "antisocial." Ala "Ten Things I Hate About You"?
Posted by: Marilyn Thrineper8949 || 02/15/2010 20:03 Comments || Top||

#9  tw, et al: We're talking teens and young adults, here.

What I wrote above is what I thought then, Anonymoose. In my crowd we thought those who sought popularity were fools.
Posted by: trailing wife || 02/15/2010 23:43 Comments || Top||



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