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-Lurid Crime Tales-
First Glasgow-Jihad Interview: "Well, that didn't work out so great."
An Iowahawk spoof.

Ever have "one of those days?" Sure, all of us go through the occasional rough patch, but I swear there are times when I think Allah must really have it in for me. I mean, I know the "Big Guy" is supposed to have a sense of humor, but do I always have to be the punchline?

Take for example this last week. A few mates and I had been planning a big martyrdom weekend for quite a while; it's something we first began discussing a few years ago in medical school back in Amman. We were sitting around the dorm eating pizza, cramming for a big anatomy final, when Ali said "you know, after graduation, we should get together for something really big." We talked about a fishing trip to Canada or something, but most of the guys thought that sounded pretty boring. Abdul suggested a golf weekend in Cancun, but the all-inclusives there can get pretty pricey in-season. Hassan (who's really into motorcycles) suggested renting Harleys and going to Sturgis for the Biker Rally, but we heard that crowd can get pretty rowdy.

Anyhoo, Achmed finally says, "how about packing cars with explosives and killing hundreds of random infidels in a coordinated series of gigantic fireballs?" And we're like, fuckin' A! Not only would we be it an awesome bonding experience (with plenty of Paradise poontang, LOL), we would be doing a valuable community service...
Posted by: Helmuth, Speaking for Chusoling1715 || 07/04/2007 00:00 || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Now that is a must read.

Posted by: Grumenk Philalzabod0723 || 07/04/2007 3:42 Comments || Top||

#2  ROFLMAO
Posted by: wxjames || 07/04/2007 16:29 Comments || Top||


-Short Attention Span Theater-
Miss Utah Fought in Afghanistan
Jill Stevens, newly crowned Miss Utah, is, in her other life, Sgt. Jill Stevens, a member of 1st Battalion, 211th Aviation, Utah National Guard. She did 8 months in Afghanistan.
Posted by: Chuck Simmins || 07/04/2007 16:30 || Comments || Link || [4 views] Top|| File under:

#1  ahem....You can't make posts like this without a picture. Its one of the unwritten Rantburg rules, you know.
Posted by: whitecollar redneck || 07/04/2007 17:02 Comments || Top||

#2  Sgt., what do you want me to do? I'll do it. Do the laundry. Wash the dishes? Walk the dog? I'll do it.
Posted by: JohnQC || 07/04/2007 17:05 Comments || Top||

#3  Ha! My wife outranks her.
Posted by: Iblis || 07/04/2007 18:17 Comments || Top||

#4  Picture at the link, Redneck:

Stevens is a combat veteran, having served as a medic on an 18-month tour in Afghanistan in support of Operation Enduring Freedom with the 1-211th in 2004-05. As an example of her ability to respond on short notice as a Guard member, she was a last-minute fill-in for the Full Nelson team, composed entirely of Utah National Guard members, which competed in the Wasatch Back Relay on June 22-23. Her team finished seventh overall and second in the Open Mixed (men and women) Division. And she did that just one week prior to the Miss Utah competition.
Posted by: Steve || 07/04/2007 19:29 Comments || Top||

#5  Chuck gets links from here and Ace of Spades. Big Time Baybeeee! WTG Chuck
Posted by: Frank G || 07/04/2007 23:04 Comments || Top||


"I'm American" - Stuck Mojo - Happy Independence Day
I'm American
Music: Ward
Lyrics: Nelson, Ward

I'm an American related to all colors of brethren, Priests and Pastors and Prophets and Reverends, Divided we fall united we stand together man, In this cultural melting pot there's nothing better than, This land of the free and the home of the brave, Populated by ancestors of immigrants and slaves who met early graves So we could see brighter days and we could proudly praise and raise the stars and stripes as Americans

Hate me
Blame me
You can't shame me
Come and stand with me
I'm American

I'm an American born in these states united, Where racial discrimination keeps us so divided, But we've got free speech so I won't be quiet, We got a lot of problems here man I won't deny it, But ain't another place that I'd rather be, Than in this land of great opportunity, Where we can be anything that we wanna be, So until the day I D-I-E, I stand tall as an American
Posted by: Helmuth, Speaking for Chusoling1715 || 07/04/2007 00:00 || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Perfect for the 4th, thanks for posting it!
Posted by: Icerigger || 07/04/2007 8:25 Comments || Top||


Fifth Column
The Car Bomb Jihad: Is Britain seeing clearly?
Excerpt from the excellent analysis:

What does this London attempt and the Scotland attack mean in terms of the intention of the terrorists regarding the UK? Is it an ongoing thing? Will we see others in the future?

The answer is self-evident: The Jihadists have declared war against the UK and many other countries. The operations will continue until the "factory" producing these ideologies is shut down...

There is little doubt that the Jihadi War room dealing with the UK wishes to test if not drag the new cabinet of Prime Minister Gordon Brown into "engagement." The focused psychological war against the Tony Blair cabinet by the Jihadi-Trotskyte axis has ended with his resignation. Now the British-based "axis" wants to demonize Brown by forcing his cabinet to respond and to be responded to. The Salafi move is clear … but is Britain seeing clearly?
The engagement is already mandated. Foreshadowed by the cabinet choices and signalled by the orders to censor all mention of Muslim identity or motivation of the attackers.
Posted by: 3dc || 07/04/2007 05:07 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under: al-Qaeda in Britain

#1  On why the Brits have such dense CCTV coverage ...
But when one wonders why the dense surveillance is so extended one realize that Britain had to develop an extreme system of monitoring because it was forbidden to be preemptive in the war. Over the years, authorities were pressured by lobbies not to engage the Jihadists "before" they become terrorists and before they strike. So resources were reverted to spy on the Jihadis (and other terrorists) "after" they attack but not before: Another result of the initial shortcoming in the perception of the "enemy." The U.S. is under similar pressure by its own internal critics to follow the same path: Do not monitor the Jihadists before but only after they have engaged in terror action.
Posted by: Bobby || 07/04/2007 7:35 Comments || Top||

#2  "Do not monitor the Jihadists before but only after they have engaged in terror action."

Monitoring through a sniper scope (followed by trigger squeeze) wouldn't be ideal, but at least it would limit repeat offenders and trial and prison costs.
Posted by: Glenmore || 07/04/2007 10:33 Comments || Top||

#3  I thought the CCTV net was due to the IRA...
Posted by: Pappy || 07/04/2007 13:49 Comments || Top||

#4  The Brits said they were monitoring the doctors prior to their attempt at blowing up things. This a case of covering your ass as well as being dangerously delusional. "An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure" to use an old medical bromide.
Posted by: JohnQC || 07/04/2007 13:59 Comments || Top||

#5  "Do not monitor the Jihadists before but only after they have engaged in terror action."

This is a recipe for suicide. Abandon the tempo in chess then stick only with reactive moves and see how many games you win.

There is no way an open and free society can adequately protect itself against Islamic terrorism. Muslims are inculcated with the terrorist mentality from birth and—even when not inclined towards it—are socially ingrained not to report against their co-religionists. This creates a tacit or overt support network that is nearly impossible to thwart.

Terrorism runs in families and hoping that law enforcement can break those bonds of secrecy is beyond futile. Language barriers, financial assistance (halawa), religious fraternities and one of the most ingrown cultures on earth all militate against legal intervention. You may as well dig ditches with a surfboard.

Deportation and recongregation of Muslims in their countries of origin represents one of the only humane methods of removing this threat to the civilized world.
Posted by: Zenster || 07/04/2007 14:45 Comments || Top||

#6  Zenster, that's a good FIRST step, but when they invade ciovilisation, we should consider removing the mosques.
Posted by: Bright Pebbles || 07/04/2007 15:29 Comments || Top||

#7  Zenster, that's a good FIRST step, but when they invade ciovilisation, we should consider removing the mosques.

As I've mentioned before: Give the MME (Muslim Middle East) less than five years to institute freedom of religion. If they do not, ban Islam and shutter all mosques on Western soil. The lack of reciprocity we endure when dealing with Islam is not just unfair, it is pure idiocy upon our parts.
Posted by: Zenster || 07/04/2007 15:43 Comments || Top||

#8  The tipping point in the UK should have come by now. Sadly, they suffer from multiple streams of social debilitation: they are disarmed, over governed, cursed with the vestiges of colonial guilt and the world-wide foolishness of political correctness run amuck, and intellectually cowed by the secular progresive and moral relativistic thinking of modern western "intellectuals". It falls to them to lead western European civilization out of this morass and I just doubt they are up to it. Another decade of cultural invasion and they will be lost for all time I fear.
The civilizing effects of western civilization are being overrun by the progeny of this moon-cult, literally swamping the civilization.
America had better awaken to this pattern while we still have time....
personally, I'm buying land in Idaho, leaving California and thinking about more ammunition for the EM2C....
Posted by: JustAboutEnough || 07/04/2007 16:13 Comments || Top||

#9  The fault does not reside in the UK, but in elitism. Were the decision makers to live among the immigrants in London or Houston, they would see the reality of the problem. To the elites, different religions or different nationalities are like different hair color. The elites know only that they are above the fray and they assume the lowlifes are similar enough to coexists without great difficulty.
Posted by: wxjames || 07/04/2007 16:41 Comments || Top||


Home Front: WoT
Fjordman : Muslim Violence
In Denmark, Muslims are attacking the Inuit people, the indigenous people of Greenland, who have been a part of the Kingdom of Denmark for centuries. Whenever Muslims target non-Muslims with violence, this is blamed by the media on past legacy of colonialism, US foreign policy, Israeli aggression etc.

Well, Muslims are now attacking… Greenlanders.

And we all know they are evil, Zionist Crusaders with a long history of colonial aggression in the Middle East, right? Here’s a Scandinavian post on the subject, with my translations.Apparently, some Arabs feel that Greenlanders don’t belong in Denmark and should go back home where they came from (my translation):

Because Greenlanders have repeatedly been attacked by Arab and Somali immigrants in the city of Århus, Danish authorities have started an information campaign in local schools and a slide show showing photos from Greenland with comments in Arabic. Greenlanders have been subject to rock throwing, harassment and assaults by Arabs. Residents in the district of Gellerup stay in their flats for most of the day because they fear to go outside. “It baffles me that parents don’t react to this. I complained to a mother in my apartment building after her son had assaulted me, but she slammed the door shut in my face,” says Naasunnguaq, who uses the Inuit word for flower as a nickname because she wants to remain anonymous. She has lived in the neighborhood for 16 years. According to Lars, also from Greenland, Arabs have racist views of Greenlanders: “They cannot understand why we should be allowed to live in Denmark. Even if we try to explain that we are Danes and get [Danish] citizenship by birth, they don’t understand it,” he says.

[…]

Their football matches and events during Greenland’s National Day have also been interrupted by rock throwing. A large number of security guards had to be employed to keep the attackers at bay. According to the chairman of the Multicultural Association in Gellerup, Rabhi Azad-Ahmad, the attacks are caused by ignorance and prejudice, and because young Arabs and Somalis are looking for easy targets to assault in order to send a message of strength to other groups. Several of the Greenlanders have problems with finding a place to live in other parts of the town, but the Århus municipality will try to accommodate those wishing to move to other apartments in order to escape the racist violence.


More Muslim violence, this time from Germany:
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Private security guards are to be hired at schools in a tough Berlin district from August to keep teenagers in check after a series of schoolyard brawls and attacks by ex-pupils, the municipality said Friday.

The ethnically mixed Neukoelln district will pay the guards to rush to trouble spots in the district’s 76 schools, although teachers say this should be the job of the police.

It will be the first time in Germany that private guards have been employed in schools.

Heinz Buschkowsky, the district mayor, said, “Right now we can’t assure parents that their children are safe.”

A year ago, teachers admitted they were powerless to check fighting at one school where young Arabs were the main ethnic group, and police began checking pupils at the school gate for knives and other weapons.

This month a teacher was beaten up at another school by a former pupil.


And from Holland:

A group of six men assaulted two gay men on the Reguliersdwarsstraat in Amsterdam city centre last Thursday night.

[…]

The group then headed towards the Herengracht. Witnesses had called police and the six were arrested. The suspects are all between the ages of 15 and 19. Four are of Moroccan descent, one is Surinamese and one is Turkish.


According to NIS News:

The cabinet considers radical Muslims are in principle allowed to use democratic procedures with the aim of undermining democracy. This is not dangerous; democracy is strong enough to withstand such a movement.

The government is convinced that “religion — thus, also Islam — can make a positive contribution to cohesion in society.”
Posted by: anonymous5089 || 07/04/2007 13:56 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Democratic nations may not be able to withstand increasing muslim populations--increases due to migration and high birthrate. Open door policies immigration policies insure increasing populations and political correctness insures that multiculturalism is a nation's goal despite this policy undermining your culture. What happens when your country's majority becomes muslim? What happens when muslims start winning more and more elections? What happens when the muslims become the dominant political force in your country? What happens when your culture starts sliding towards extinction and the extant culture (islam) starts to dominate the previous culture. At that time the freedoms that were fought for and died for over the centuries cease and are replaced by something else that is islam. What happens when sharia law replaces the law of the land?
Posted by: JohnQC || 07/04/2007 14:18 Comments || Top||

#2  Greenlanders have been subject to rock throwing, harassment and assaults by Arabs.

[snip]

According to Lars, also from Greenland, Arabs have racist views of Greenlanders: “They cannot understand why we should be allowed to live in Denmark. Even if we try to explain that we are Danes and get [Danish] citizenship by birth, they don’t understand it,” he says.


Yet one more reason why mass deportation of Muslims is becoming the only alternative. The moral hypocrisy of these Islamic bigots goes beyond comprehension. Greenlanders have got to be one of the most innocuous minorities in any European society. Muslim attacks upon them are simply the acts of intolerant bullies singling out one of the most vulnerable population segments. If it weren't so disgusting I'd almost have to laugh at how Muslims rip their own mask off of the Religion of Peace [spit]. All that awaits is Muslims denouncing Greenlanders as part of an Esquimaux plot to keep down the Palestinians.
Posted by: Zenster || 07/04/2007 14:25 Comments || Top||

#3  The arrogance of the muslims has always amazed me in that it is a relatively new religion(?) tyrannical system of subjugation. It came into being around the 7th century. However, any lands that muslims take a boat, goat, camel, bike to, set foot on, thought about, immigrated to, etc. somehow in their minds becomes their sacred lands. All others are occupiers of their lands and this becomes a reason for jihadi. I've got to say it is a really f*ucked up religion.
Posted by: JohnQC || 07/04/2007 17:03 Comments || Top||

#4  Is there a group more hateful and violent than the Muslims of Europe?

OK, the Palestinians. But fer crissake, throwing rocks at Greenlanders?! Claiming they don't belong?!
Posted by: Rob Crawford || 07/04/2007 19:23 Comments || Top||

#5  Yet one more reason why mass deportation of Muslims is becoming the only alternative.

Yeah, and who will deport them? I'm well beyond the deportation mindset and firmly into the "build the camps" mindset. Muslims == Human kudzu.

Islam has managed to spread its filth from a tiny enclave in Arabia, to encompass 1/5th the globe and enslave approximately the same percentage of humanity. Past time to reduce this pestilence by 80% or 90%.
Posted by: Natural Law || 07/04/2007 19:24 Comments || Top||

#6  .com and I have some disagreements re: the Arabs. But I think he'd agree with me that for sheer arrogant and unreflective racism it's hard to beat a good proportion of the world's population of Arab males. And some of the women too. Exceptions: most of the Arab Christians I've met.
Posted by: lotp || 07/04/2007 19:27 Comments || Top||

#7  Exceptions: most of the Arab Christians I've met.

I've known some very fine Arab Christians, mostly from Egyptian origins. The difference between them and Arab Muslims is striking. And everyone of them has stressed, vehemently, that Muslims of any stripe must never be trusted. Based on the historical record, I trust their judgment.

Islam has to go, whatever it takes, and soon.
Posted by: Natural Law || 07/04/2007 20:01 Comments || Top||

#8  #6,#7 On the other hand, there's George Habash.
Posted by: gromgoru || 07/04/2007 22:05 Comments || Top||

#9  Well, yeah. There's always one ....(or more, I know)
Posted by: lotp || 07/04/2007 22:10 Comments || Top||


Lileks: an idea contained within a nation.
Here's the concluding paragraphs, but you really should go read the whole thing.

And so another Fourth comes. The vast majority of Americans of all political stripes will greet the day with pride – the reasons will vary, but the core ideas are still shared. The future, however, contain a very big question, and it’s not one we haven’t faced before: together, or apart? Except now the terms have been redefined: “together” implies that we must throw our weight in with a portion of the world that seems intellectually incapable of apprehending the concept of a greater foe, and takes refuge in the dream of “disaffected” or “disenfranchised” physicians disconnected from a greater meme. “Apart” has come to mean we define our culture in opposition to another, and confront it with values we truly believe to be superior, and do so with full knowledge of our own flaws. Yesterday was the anniversary of Gettysburg, a day in which the divisions were horrible and bloody, and had to be hammered out to make the great experiment whole again. Rent apart, we had to work our way back to the whole. This is different. We have to come together, in order that we may stand apart, and defend the things in which we believe.

Sounds like batshite jingo drivel, eh? Defend the things we believe! You sound like there’s some sort of war on. Empty words to justify overtime at the cruise-missile factory, man.

It’s not a matter of race or religion; the logical extension of the ideas of the West transcends those things. I see those ideas in the flag, which is why I put it up. People claw their way to live in a place where it flies. It’s an idea that happens to be contained within a nation. Today we celebrate both. Together.
Posted by: Mike || 07/04/2007 10:01 || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:


India-Pakistan
Commentary: Cry for me, Pakistan
"Asian" in British police parlance almost invariably means Pakistanis or Pakistani Britons. Of late, Bangladeshi Britons have been added to the roster of terror suspects. Almost all terrorist plots carried out by Islamist extremists in the past five years in Britain have included investigative trails that track back to Pakistan.

About 1 million people of Pakistani descent are living in Britain and some 400,000 travel back to Pakistan every year. From Karachi, a city of 14 million, or Islamabad, the capital, they can easily make their way to the Northwest Frontier Province (NWFP) or Baluchistan, two of Pakistan's four provinces that are governed by politico-religious extremists -- a coalition of six parties known as MMA -- and locate training facilities in explosive techniques.

Thirteen percent of Britain's 1.8 million Muslims told pollsters they approved of the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks in New York and Washington, as well the July 7, 2005, suicide bombings against London's subway trains and a double-decker bus. That's almost 200,000 in the United Kingdom alone who sympathize with the terrorists.
Thirteen percent of Britain's 1.8 million Muslims told pollsters they approved of the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks in New York and Washington, as well the July 7, 2005, suicide bombings against London's subway trains and a double-decker bus. That's almost 200,000 in the United Kingdom alone who sympathize with the terrorists.

So last week's terrorist plan with two consecutive car bomb attacks in London and one in Glasgow was hardly surprising. The number of terror suspects monitored by Britain's MI5 has grown 25 percent in the past six months. Last November, shortly before she resigned as director of MI5, Britain's internal intelligence agency, Eliza Manningham-Buller said 1,600 people were under surveillance in some 200 terrorist cells or groups of extremists. She added 30 active plots "to kill people and damage the economy" were in the planning stage and known to MI5. These grim stats have grown grimmer since last November.

For six years, Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf has been in deep denial about Taliban's privileged sanctuaries in the mountainous border areas between Pakistan and Afghanistan.
For six years, Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf has been in deep denial about Taliban's privileged sanctuaries in the mountainous border areas between Pakistan and Afghanistan. When he signed a pact with border tribal leaders in North Waziristan last Sept. 5, he said they had agreed to keep both Taliban guerrillas and their al-Qaida allies from fomenting further trouble. Several hundred Taliban and al-Qaida members captured since 2001 were released. In reality, this was a face-saving device to allow the Pakistani army to stand down. It had lost some 700 men killed and 2,500 wounded in an ill-fated campaign that had been fought under U.S. pressure.

North and South Waziristan, two of the seven Federally Administered Tribal Areas (FATA), are under de facto Taliban control. Its leaders say they have established the "Islamic Emirate of Waziristan."
Since then both North and South Waziristan, two of the seven Federally Administered Tribal Areas (FATA), are under de facto Taliban control. Its leaders say they have established the "Islamic Emirate of Waziristan." Shariah courts are operating in both Wana (south) and Miranshah (north), the two Waziristan capitals. And hundreds of youngsters have been recruited for suicide bombing missions in Afghanistan.

Last April, Uzbek radicals who married local girls, and who were survivors of the Battle of Tora Bora in December 2001, which covered Osama Bin Laden's retreat from Afghanistan, were ousted by young Taliban Turks, not by the Pak army as originally reported. The new Taliban honcho in South Waziristan is Mullah Nazir, 32, who said he wouldn't hesitate to shelter Osama Bin Laden if he requested protection.

Taliban fighters have been stopping cars in FATAland to smash their cassette players. The outlawed Lashkar-e-Islam (LEI) terrorist organization staged a public rally in the Khyber agency. LEI leader Mangal Bagh presided over a public stoning in March and on May 21 he was heard on FM radio ordering the execution of Nasrullah Afridi, a tribal journalist in the Khyber agency. And later that same day, a music store was blown up in the home village of the federal interior minister in NWFP.

That same day, U.S. Assistant Secretary of State for South Asia Richard Boucher, on a visit to Islamabad, praised the Pak army for repelling Taliban and al-Qaida operatives on the Afghan border. The army had been lying low for nine months, but next day, May 22, Pak commandos and helicopter gunships attacked an al-Qaida camp in Zargarkhel village in North Waziristan. Four al-Qaida operatives were killed. And the agency's tribal elders resigned, protesting the violation of the pact they signed with Musharraf last Sept. 5.

Taliban fighters are now spilling out of lawless FATA into NWFP and Baluchistan. Illegal arms dealers are registering record sales from Karachi to the Khyber Pass.
Retaliation quickly followed. Taliban fighters car-bombed a military convoy, killing and wounding 10. FATA's Bajaur agency is under virtual Taliban control. In the NWFP, four districts -- Bannu, Lakki Marwat and Swat -- are also considered Taliban country. Taliban fighters are now spilling out of lawless FATA into NWFP and Baluchistan. Finally, Musharraf warned religious extremism is now threatening the entire country, one of the world's eight nuclear weapons powers. Illegal arms dealers are registering record sales from Karachi to the Khyber Pass.

The United States warned Americans not to travel to Pakistan as intelligence suggested Western interests in the country were due to be attacked. U.S. citizens working in Pakistan were advised to avoid areas where Westerners normally meet, to always vary their routes and times to and from work.

Unless the Pakistani army restores the central government writ in FATA, the United States may decide the Islamic Emirate of Waziristan is tantamount to a declaration of independence by Taliban and al-Qaida -- and a green light to bomb and attack with special forces. But if Musharraf decides to re-invade the tribal region, he runs the risk of a national upheaval by powerful radical forces. And if he doesn't and lets the United States attack the Taliban's privileged sanctuaries in FATA, he still runs the same risk, perhaps even greater.

Salman Rushdie's recent British knighthood kept Pakistan's fundamentalist pot boiling. The Pakistani Ulema Council, a private body that claims to be the largest in the country with over 2,000 scholars, responded by honoring Osama Bin Laden with top title of Saifullah, or Sword of Allah. And the speaker of the House said he wouldn't hesitate to kill blasphemer Rushdie.

Iftikar M. Chaudhry, the chief justice suspended by Musharraf, has toured the country, drawing huge crowds demanding the restoration of the rule of law. Yet many of them are the same extremists who want to impose Shariah law that blatantly discriminates against women and non-Muslims.

Despite all his faults and long-time appeasement of politico-religious fanatics, President-General Musharraf is still the principle barrier to the process of Talibanization. He is also the only one who can make democracy happen again. Allowing Benazir Bhutto back from exile would be a sensible first step.
Posted by: lotp || 07/04/2007 07:46 || Comments || Link || [7 views] Top|| File under: al-Qaeda in Britain

#1  If ever there was a country worthy of nuking its this one!!!!
Posted by: Paul || 07/04/2007 9:29 Comments || Top||

#2  The best thing we could do for the world is turn that region into uninhabitable glass.
Posted by: anymouse || 07/04/2007 9:33 Comments || Top||

#3  Mouse: If President-General Musharraf tumbles, your dreams will come true. An Indian "Raj" (rule) will not be long in coming, I assure you.
Posted by: Besoeker || 07/04/2007 10:00 Comments || Top||

#4  'Great will the slaughter be, O monarch, in this battle. I see here also (numerous) omens indicative of terror. Hawks and vultures, and crows and herons, together with cranes, are alighting on the tops of trees and gathering in flocks. These birds, delighted at the prospect of battle, are looking down (on the field) before them.

Carnivorous beasts will feed on the flesh of elephants and steeds. Fierce herons, foreboding terror, and uttering merciless cries, are wheeling across the centre towards the southern region.

In both the twilights, prior and posterior, I daily behold, O Bharata, the sun during his rising and setting to be covered by headless trunks. Tri-coloured clouds with their extremities white and red and necks black, charged with lightning, and resembling maces (in figure) envelope the sun in both twilights.

I have seen the sun, the moon, and the stars to be all blazing. No difference in their aspect is to be noted in the evening. I have seen this all day and all night.

All this forbodes fear. On even the fifteenth night of the lighted-fortnight in (the month of) Kartika, the moon, divested of splendour, became invisible, or of the hue of fire, the firmament being of the hue of the lotus. Many heroic lords of earth, kings and princes, endued with great bravery and possessed of arms resembling maces, will be slain and sleep lying down on the earth.

Daily I notice in the sky during night time the fierce cries of battling boars and cats. The images of gods and goddesses sometimes laugh, sometimes tremble, and sometimes again these vomit blood through their mouths and sometimes they sweat and sometimes fall down.

O monarch! drums, without being beaten, give sounds, and the great cars of Warriors move without (being drawn by) animals yoked to them. Kokilas, wood-peckers, jaws, water-cocks, parrots, crows, and peacocks, utter terrible cries. Here and there, cavalry soldiers, cased in mail, armed with weapons, send forth fierce shouts. At sun-rise flights of insects, by hundreds are seen.

In both twilights, the cardinal quarters seem to be ablaze, and the clouds, O Bharata, shower dust and flesh. She, O king, who is celebrated over the three worlds and is applauded by the righteous, even that (constellation) Arundhati keepeth (her lord) Vasistha on her back.

The planet Sani also, O king, appeareth afflicting (the constellation) Rohini. The sign of the deer in the Moon hath deviated from its usual position. A great terror is indicated. Even though the sky is cloudless, a terrible roar is heard there. The animals are all weeping and their tears are falling fast.'


Mahabharata, Book 6 (Bhisma Parva), section II
Posted by: lotp || 07/04/2007 10:17 Comments || Top||

#5  I think roughly 2/3 of Pakistan is non-Islamist and 1/3 is Islamist. In money, skills and assets the divide is even larger. Unfortunately in WILL the Islamists have an overwhelming advantage. The same pattern, to greater or lesser degree, is repeated throughout the Muslim world. For most Pakistanis, as for most Westerners, there is no willingness to act, no belief system that drives them to defend it; "It's all about meeee!" rules. And an Army of One is an army of none.
Posted by: Glenmore || 07/04/2007 10:43 Comments || Top||

#6  Or, more succinctly:

Now I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds - Bhagavad Gita

Which is where the situation in Pakistan is leading, I fear ... glass somewhere and maybe many wheres.
Posted by: lotp || 07/04/2007 10:51 Comments || Top||

#7  About 1 million people of Pakistani descent are living in Britain and some 400,000 travel back to Pakistan every year.

There's 400,000 Pakis whose er, passports are not in order and cannot return?
Posted by: JohnQC || 07/04/2007 13:31 Comments || Top||


America paying lip service to collapsing Musharraf regime
The United States is paying lip service to a regime that is collapsing before its eyes and that may yet turn truly nasty. Washington treats Pakistan as if it were a Cold War ally, dealing only with its top leadership, according to Stephen Cohen, writing in the Washington Post on Tuesday.

According to the noted South Asia expert and author, the great danger of the US dealing only with Pakistan’s top leadership is that this time around, Pakistan may not have the internal resources to manage its own rescue. If that is the case, then in years to come, a nuclear-armed and terrorism-capable Pakistan will become everyone’s biggest foreign policy problem. He identifies Gen Musharraf’s “problem” as his failure to have acted swiftly and ruthlessly to set Pakistan’s politics on a proper course. Given the complexity of Pakistan’s internal problems, the holding of free and fair elections might not check the country’s check drift toward extremism.
Posted by: Fred || 07/04/2007 00:00 || Comments || Link || [5 views] Top|| File under:

#1  The holding of free and fair elections in Pakistan can only ensure the country’s plunge into extremism.
Posted by: Pearl Greaper5013 || 07/04/2007 1:43 Comments || Top||

#2  The United States is paying lip service to a regime that is collapsing before its eyes and that may yet turn truly nasty. Washington treats Iran and the Pahlavi Regime Pakistan as if it were a Cold War ally, dealing only with its top leadership, according to Stephen Cohen, writing in the Washington Post on Tuesday.
Posted by: Besoeker || 07/04/2007 4:30 Comments || Top||

#3  I wonder if this is really a #1 priority for the US, as opposed to, say, India? I wonder that the Indian government really has given us an earful about managing this, or the extent to which they're ready to take it on? Pashtun nationalism impinging from the Afghan side would also be a nice irony.
Posted by: Halliburton - Democracy by Diversion Division || 07/04/2007 11:54 Comments || Top||

#4  If that is the case, then in years to come, a nuclear-armed and terrorism-capable Pakistan will become everyone’s biggest foreign policy problem.

This can never be allowed to happen.
Posted by: JohnQC || 07/04/2007 13:25 Comments || Top||

#5  should Perv fall, and an even-more-Islamist regime install, there won't be the lip-service, nor the need for a facade of respecting Pak sovereignty. Hot-pursuit, with air cover and CAS to kill bad guys all the way back to their shit-hovels should be the order of the day. Any Pak AF rising to intervene gets blown from the sky. Sound good ISI? Army? Air Force? Control your house. Without Perv you lose the pretense of being "helpful" as opposed to "something worse". If you can't roust the Taliban and other bearded inbred assholes, you won't oust our guys - ever
Posted by: Frank G || 07/04/2007 20:48 Comments || Top||



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