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UN Secretary General calls on Israel and Gaza for two-week humanitarian truce
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6 14:20 Grom the Reflective [9] 
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7 16:07 Super Hose [18] 
1 15:10 Tom [10] 
7 15:57 DarthVader [20] 
8 17:14 USN, Ret. [17] 
5 12:49 swksvolFF [11] 
16 16:57 Procopius2k [14] 
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-Great Cultural Revolution
Beyond Orwell: The High-tech Lynching of America
[American Thinker] Just a few generations ago, most Americans understood that George Orwell’s classics Animal Farm and 1984 were written as a warning about how freedom is lost to the tyranny and intolerance of totalitarianism.

Animal Farm and 1984 were particularly apt for teaching young people at a time when the shocking revelations about Nazism and Soviet communism that were coming out in the 1950s and 1960s were hard to digest. Most important, what these works revealed was that a defining feature of totalitarianism is mind control. First, propaganda warps and destroys people’s grasp on reality. Second, propaganda is designed to foster groupthink, conformity, and collectivism, which marginalizes critical and independent thinking.

Orwell described the scope of the totalitarian enterprise, noting in one section of 1984 that, "Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, and every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right."

In 1984, Orwell wrote, "Who controls the past controls the future." Orwell’s introduction of concepts and terms such as "newspeak, doublethink and thought police" are what we now experience as political correctness, misinformation, and cancellation. The analogs of "thought police" in 1984 are now the enforcers of political correctness and closed political narratives.

As Orwell notes, "the whole aim of newspeak and doublethink is to narrow the range of thought." Political correctness has the same goal and that’s why its adherents are so intolerant -- seeking to silence, cancel, and delegitimize people with whom they disagree.

As it turns out, social media and information technology have great power to narrow the range of acceptable thought. Google, which controls 90% of Internet searches, utilizes an AI-driven search ranking that can manipulate not only consumer preferences but also election outcomes. According to Robert Epstein, a Harvard Ph.D. who has studied Google for more than decade, Google’s ability to manipulate its search ranking algorithms has the power to change the choices of 15% of undecided voters, more than enough to change many recent close election outcomes.

The COVID-19 lockdowns and the death of George Floyd in May 2020 created an environment of fear. And fear of going to the polls gave Democrat activists and lawyers the opportunity to change election laws and protocols in key swing states to expand the utilization of mail-in ballots, ballot harvesting, and lengthening vote counting deadlines. These initiatives enabled paid activists to manipulate voter registration and the vote count through fraudulent ballots -- undertaken to deny Donald Trump a second term.

Simultaneously, a full-blown cultural revolution came to America. What had been going on at many college campuses for decades came to cities across the country. With activism that created division, fear, and people turning on each other, it was as if Mao’s Chinese Communist Cultural Revolution 1960s and 70s had come to America.
Posted by: Besoeker || 10/20/2023 05:48 || Comments || Link || [16 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Just a few generations ago, most Americans understood that George Orwell’s classics Animal Farm and 1984 were written as a warning about how freedom is lost to the tyranny and intolerance of totalitarianism.

If they really understood, how the f&ck we arrived at today?
Posted by: Grom the Reflective || 10/20/2023 6:30 Comments || Top||

#2  Boiled frog.

Julia
Posted by: KBK || 10/20/2023 10:09 Comments || Top||

#3  ^Well, I grew up in Soviet Union - I don't need 1984.
Posted by: Grom the Reflective || 10/20/2023 10:32 Comments || Top||

#4  'I don't give a damn': Douglas Murray responds to article attacking George Orwell

Posted by: Grom the Reflective || 10/20/2023 10:48 Comments || Top||


A Son's First Hero, A Daughter's First Love: In Praise Of Good Dads
[ET via ZERO] These men are a mix of professions, beliefs, and life circumstances. There’s Ben in Virginia, father of four kids ages 7 and younger, who knocks himself out working six days a week for his family’s construction company but nonetheless spends time in the evenings and on the weekends with his children. There’s Andy, a chemist in Raleigh, N.C., who’s divorced but delights in seeing his three daughters whenever possible. There’s John in Texas, whose wife died in a car crash last winter and who now devotes every spare minute away from work to his teenagers still living at home.

We all know dads like these men—sons and grandsons, nephews, friends, and neighbors. They're the fathers who balance work time with kid time, who give their offspring the gift of security while teaching them to become independent, and who, if need be, would sacrifice their lives for them.

THE BASICS ARE WHAT COUNT
Indeed.
In "The Three P’s to Being a Dad," Jabari Colon neatly sums up the qualities that make for good dads. "Dads," he writes, "actively participate in their child’s life. To achieve the title of Dad, we must learn to apply the three p’s: provide, protect, and be present."

As providers, dads work hard to meet their children’s needs, and if possible, to satisfy some of their wants. They’re available to protect them when necessary, such as offering comfort when they meet up with a bully at school or when some other catastrophe has knocked them back on their heels. Finally, and as Mr. Colon writes, perhaps most importantly, dads are present, meaning they weave themselves into their children’s lives as much as possible, as in going to dance recitals, teaching them to throw a football, or listening to their dreams of the future.

This formula of providing, protecting, and being present works for anyone wishing to be a good dad. It doesn’t distinguish between fathers and stepfathers. It doesn’t imply that the man who’s never played soccer in his life must coach his daughter’s team. It doesn’t suggest that the guy whose job requires long or erratic hours should feel guilty of child neglect. All it means is that we should try to satisfy these broad objectives of parenting as best we can.

Dozens of other online sites offer far more specific lists. In "Ten Qualities of a Good Father," for example, Diane Morrow-Kondos also stresses being present and protective, but then adds other vital girders of fatherhood. A good dad, for example, treats the mother of his children with respect. He "sets a good example," takes delight in his kids, and openly tells them how much he loves them.

Do these things, and the "Good Dad" title is yours.

Posted by: Besoeker || 10/20/2023 01:10 || Comments || Link || [10 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Being a Dad is among the greatest joys of my life!
Posted by: Tom || 10/20/2023 15:10 Comments || Top||


Government Corruption
QAnon Shaman sez J6 Was A Deep State PSYOP campaign
BLUF:
[Gateway] The Goals of the Psy-Op:

The 1st goal was to create a shock and awe campaign in the USA, then use that shock and awe to target and demonize a group (Trump supporters) and Donald Trump himself. Thus, creating division in the USA, and controlling the people through a misinfo-narrative.

—The 2nd goal was to use said demonization and division to Impeach Trump and label Trump supporters as "Domestic-Terrorists". Consequently, this limited sympathy for Trump supporters as their Constitutional Rights were violated in mass.

—The 3rd goal was to imprison Trump supporters without Constitutional due process. Due to the Patriot Act, the DOJ labeling Trump supporters as "domestic terrorist" allows the government to waive their Constitutional Rights, allowing the government to servile, arrest, detain and imprison Trump supports without due process; even arresting and charging people who were not in DC on J6, for internet posts that were deemed to be associated with J6. Thus, creating a chilling affect for all public descent to the Deep State’s authoritarian roll out of centralized power.

—The 4th goal was to imprison Trump himself. This can be easily proven based on Proud Boys Co-Founder Enrique Tarrio’s testimony regarding the plea deal he was offered by the DOJ, where he was asked to lie about having connection to President Trump creating the illusion that -Trump had a hand in the events of J6, in exchange Tarrio would be given his freedom. He refused the plea deal and was given a 22 year sentence.

—The 5th goal was to use this psy-op to centralize power by weaponizing federal executive power, all so they could target political opponents and use a two tier justice system to chill public descent within the USA.

In conclusion, the government infiltrated underground groups, influenced those groups plans, gathered information, intentionally suppressed that information, used the control of information to craft a misinfo-narrative, thereby allowing the government to perpetuate a psy-op and propaganda campaign on the American people, to reach their goals of: controlling the narrative, creating national division, imprisonment of their political opponents, chilling public descent, centralizing power, weaponizing the executive branch and the authoritarian roll out of a two tier justice system based on corruption and political bias. Based on the information shared in this article, I must ask you the reader. Do you think that J6 was a Deep State Psy-Op? Or a "Violent Insurrection"?
Posted by: Besoeker || 10/20/2023 01:52 || Comments || Link || [18 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Perhaps Jacob Chansley isn't nuts after all.
Posted by: Besoeker || 10/20/2023 2:04 Comments || Top||

#2 
Posted by: Ulomorong Croting3271 || 10/20/2023 2:12 Comments || Top||

#3  Didn't start that way, but once you enter the Beltway, the Feds take over. You're on their turf, the game goes by their rules.
Posted by: ed in texas || 10/20/2023 8:47 Comments || Top||

#4  And the other issue is, if (yeah, I know) the Pubs were ever actually in charge with the whip hand, they wouldn't fix any of it.
Posted by: M. Murcek || 10/20/2023 8:56 Comments || Top||

#5  Perhaps Jacob Chansley isn't nuts after all.

Behold, the power of the media - that's what they wanted us to think.
Posted by: Raj || 10/20/2023 9:42 Comments || Top||

#6  Considering the amount of undercover feds and paid informants they had on the ground I would not be surprised.
Posted by: DarthVader || 10/20/2023 15:42 Comments || Top||

#7  Jacob did time for following a psy op. Still, he probably wraps a mean poultice.
Posted by: Super Hose || 10/20/2023 16:07 Comments || Top||


Saint Greta against windmills. The activist took up Scandinavia
Direct Translation via Google Translate. Edited.
by Viktor Lavrinenko

[REGNUM] The controversial environmental activist Greta Thunberg returned to the headlines of the world's tabloids: a Swedish court fined her for the second time in a year for blocking access roads to the oil port in Malmo, and in Norway they demanded that the environmental activist be banned from entering. The restless Thunberg is making every possible contribution to the destruction of the EU energy system. And this is not surprising, considering who is behind her.

Twenty-year-old Greta is spending this year, as they say, on a roll.

Moreover, the adult world strongly encourages her activities: in March 2023, the University of Helsinki announced that it would award Thunberg the title of honorary doctor of science.

Moreover, what is especially phantasmagorical, the Faculty of Theology of this university decided to celebrate her, opening eight honorary doctorates - one of them was received by the odious girl. In addition to her, professors, lawyers, journalists, translators, and microbiologists were awarded honorary titles.

However, the sign of encouragement from Scandinavian theologians is not accidental, if you know that earlier one of the parishes of the Church of Sweden (the largest Christian denomination in the country) declared Greta “the successor of Jesus Christ.”
Oy.
And radical feminist Anna Ardeen (known for her sinister role in the fate of Julian Assange , whom she once accused of rape) called Greta a “prophet of our time,” comparable to biblical characters.

However, for Greta, the badge of honor from the University of Helsinki was by no means the first or the most significant. What is a doctorate in provincial Finland for her, if in 2019, while still a schoolgirl, she was nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize ? In total, she already has two nominations for the Nobel Prize - in 2019 and 2020.
If I recall correctly, Donald Trump was nominated four times. Probably half a billion people have nominating rights, and there’s no entry fee...
At the moment, twenty-year-old Greta already has dozens of honorary titles, including “Woman of the Year” in Sweden (2019), “100 Most Influential Women” according to Time and Forbes, and an honorary doctorate from the University of Mons. She has been repeatedly proclaimed the “Voice of the Young Generation”, “Ambassador of Conscience”, etc. In addition, many newly discovered fauna are named in her honor.

In April, Greta held a solo picket in front of the Swedish Embassy in Brussels.

The action was timed to coincide with the visit of EU ministers to the city and, according to Thunberg, was aimed at drawing their attention to the problem of deforestation.

“We are losing the last remaining natural forests, which are invaluable for carbon sinks, biodiversity and human rights,” Thunberg said. She added that the Swedish model of forestry is disastrous both for the climate, the environment and for the country's indigenous peoples.

And in June, Greta Thunberg, as part of an international delegation, visited Kiev and met with Vladimir Zelensky . There she accused Russia of “ecocide,” blaming the Russian military for the destruction of the Kakhovka hydroelectric station. According to Thunberg, this is “another atrocity for which the world is struggling to find words.”

EXTREMELY ACTIVE LIFESTYLE
Shortly after Kiev, Thunberg went to Strasbourg, where at a meeting of the European Parliament she made a spectacular gesture to opponents of the bill on the restoration of natural resources. Numerous members of the press happily photographed her extended middle fingers.

The document was adopted by a small margin of parliamentary votes, and offended politicians demanded a public apology from Thunberg for insulting people who did not agree with the bill. At one time, Thunberg had to apologize for her call to “put up against the wall” world leaders, but this time she did not ask for forgiveness.

All these facts paint a portrait of an influential personality who has risen into the ranks of people close to the Western liberal establishment. Against this background, it is difficult to maintain the image of a “persecuted activist,” but here petty officials come to Thunberg’s aid, regularly imposing minor fines on her.

Greta Thunberg detained by police during a protest in London
Thus, in early October, it became known that Thunberg again received a fine - for organizing an unauthorized picket in the oil port of the Swedish city of Malmo together with other members of the Reclaim the Future organization. Then she and her henchmen blocked the access road to the port, blocking traffic there.

This is a relapse: she had already carried out exactly the same action there before - in June. A month later, she was sentenced for this to a fine of 2.5 thousand crowns (more than 22 thousand rubles). Immediately after the verdict was announced in the Malmö district court, she again went to the oil port and began to carry out a repeat action, and, like the last time, she categorically refused to comply with the police demand to leave the roadway.

Once again in court, Greta stated that she had not heard the demands of the law enforcement officers. However, she denies that she did anything wrong.

“My actions must be freed from punishment because the planet needs them. The ones we blocked are the ones who caused the climate crisis. My actions were justified ,” the activist said.

Such blatant disrespect for laws, rules and law enforcement agencies could have resulted in a real prison sentence for her, but, of course, no one dared to sentence a celebrity favored by the powers that be to it. As a result, prosecutor Jorgen Larsson demanded only payment of a fine. Thunberg's pocket was lightened by another 5,500 crowns (almost 49 thousand rubles).

Next, Greta began to fight against windmills, or rather, wind power plants. What caused anger already in Norway. The local Progressive Party (FRP) demanded that the environmental activist be deported from this country and banned from visiting it again.

The reason was a protest rally organized by Greta in Oslo against wind power plants, which, according to Thunberg, are destroying the natural habitat of the Sami, the indigenous inhabitants of the north-eastern regions of Norway.

“We don’t need these professional protesters from abroad to be allowed to operate in Norway, especially if they have already committed illegal acts,” FRP spokesman Erlend Viborg said.

Thunberg's staff are protesting against this decision. “Deporting civil disobedience participants would be cruel and illegal,” Thunberg’s lawyers Olaf Halvorsen Rönning and Maria Hessen Jacobsen said in a statement .

WHO IS BEHIND GRETA?
Greta Thunberg is a popular public figure who is used by world-class business structures for their own purposes. It is no secret that at one time Greta was supervised by the Swedish PR man and businessman Ingmar Rentzhog (using her name, he raised a million dollars for his environmental startup We Don't Have Time) and the owner of the Stockholm PR firm Iles PR, Helena Iles (an old friend of the girl's mother).

Thunberg has powerful patrons behind her - support for her actions was shown by representatives of George Soros's Open Society Foundation (recognized as an undesirable organization in Russia), the Global Marshall Plan organization founded by influential American politician Al Gore , the Bill and Melinda Gates ONE Foundation, and even the famous Rimsky club _ In photos and videos , many of the most influential politicians in the Western world can be seen next to Greta.

In the Western world, the sect of “climate fighters” represented by Thunberg is as influential as other equally radical sects: BLM, LGBT+, feminists. The result of her vigorous activity was peculiar.

After a wave of “school strikes for climate” organized by Greta in 2018, Swedish railway companies recorded an 8% increase in demand for their tickets - after all, Greta denies air transport as ungreen. In the May 2019 elections to the European Parliament, the “green” parties gained 21% - their best result in the entire history of the European Parliament (except, by the way, in Sweden itself, where the “ecologists” lost two mandates).

Having taken such power, the “greens” began to implement their “agenda” so intensively that already in 2021 (that is, even before the loss of direct gas supplies from Russia) they brought the European Union to the brink of an energy crisis . In addition, the EP decided to introduce an environmental tax on air tickets, which will reduce their affordability for poor Europeans.

At one time, OPEC stated that they considered Greta Thunberg as a serious threat to the global oil industry. And according to the calculations of the French futurist and political activist Alexandre Laurent , for his country, the implementation of Thunberg’s demands will mean a fourfold reduction in energy consumption, which will put France on par with Nigeria and Egypt. According to Lauren, if France, as Greta demands, abandons nuclear, coal and gas power plants in favor of solar and wind ones, then the country will suffer the sad fate of neighboring Germany.

At one time, the Germans spent incredible amounts of money on a program to phase out nuclear energy, and as a result they produce several times more greenhouse gases than the French. After all, wind turbines and solar panels cannot provide regular and constant generation - and traditional coal power plants have to be turned on. And German voters are reacting to this - in the recent elections to the Bavarian Landtag, the Greens there worsened their results.

By diligently contributing to the destruction of the energy sector of the European Union, Greta, consciously or unconsciously, works for the interests of a third state, which has a vested interest in weakening its competitors from the EU. A state that has already taken over the European gas market. Everyone knows its name - it is located on the other side of the Atlantic Ocean.
Posted by: badanov || 10/20/2023 00:00 || Comments || Link || [17 views] Top|| File under:


#2 
I guess Greta's parents were running low on $$$$$$$ and needed to bring her out of semi-retirement.

So how about setting up a Group called

ENVIRONMENTAL TRUTH?

A group nicknamed ET's dedicated to correcting falsely stated environmental narratives and outing persons abusing environmental issues, while doing it for fame and profit.
Posted by: NN2N1 || 10/20/2023 6:54 Comments || Top||

#3  The serpent eats itself.
Posted by: Super Hose || 10/20/2023 9:51 Comments || Top||

#4  Saint Greta is backing Hamas.
Posted by: Deacon Blues || 10/20/2023 12:51 Comments || Top||

#5  #3 - An ouroboros
Posted by: Frank G || 10/20/2023 13:35 Comments || Top||

#6  Well, you know, the press just isn't covering boring old climate change like it used to. You need a new gig to get the cameras turned your way again.
Posted by: Tom || 10/20/2023 15:11 Comments || Top||

#7  ^Frank, you could sub in Greta’s head.
Posted by: Super Hose || 10/20/2023 16:05 Comments || Top||

#8  If Greta were serious about this windmill thing, she’d take a header thru the blades and save an eagle.
Posted by: USN, Ret. || 10/20/2023 17:14 Comments || Top||


Israel-Palestine-Jordan
4D Chess: Biden Offers The Palestinians $100 Million In Exchange For None Of The Hostages
[Bee] TEL AVIV — In a stunning move sure to be taught at universities in politics and diplomacy classes for generations to come, President Joe Biden has brokered a deal to send $100 million of U.S. taxpayer money to the Palestinian Authority in exchange for none of the hostages currently being held by Hamas.

"Here's the deal," Biden mumbled to the gathered media. "Nobody's ever done anything like this. We're going to send 100 million...billion trillion...100 thousand...all of the...the...100 million dollars to...to the...to the folks that...those folks there. Philistines. Planetfiends. Palestines. Palestinians. And in return, I have asked for none of the people being held hostage by Hamas to be released. I worked hard on this deal and held firm until they agreed to take it. I showed them who's boss. Marginzarfinabit..."

The deal, which was quickly agreed to by the Palestinian Authority, is believed to provide much-needed humanitarian relief to the Palestinian people by funding the purchase and assembly of more rockets, bombs, and small arms. "Our people are starving and thirsty," said Palestinian Authority spokesman Omar Hassan Bakalakadaka. "This influx of funding from the United States will go a long way toward paying for further violent acts to be perpetrated against Israeli civilians. Thank you, President Biden, and death to Israel."

Biden has promised the Palestinians he will authorize another $100 million after the first $100 million is spent, in exchange for nothing whatsoever.

At publishing time, the White House stressed that the administration was more than willing to take the Palestinian Authority at its word that none of the $100 million would be used for all of the things the Palestinian Authority always uses money for, such as weapons and horrific acts of terrorism.
Posted by: Frank G || 10/20/2023 12:16 || Comments || Link || [9 views] Top|| File under: Hamas

#1  Biden's speech last night was about the worst political speech I've ever heard...even worse than Lyndon Johnson and that's going quite a distance. He sounds like a B-movie villain and you can see through him just as easily.
Posted by: Abu Uluque || 10/20/2023 12:36 Comments || Top||


#3  A speech that can anger both conservatives & Vlad (and Israel, but Israel doesn't count).



Posted by: Grom the Reflective || 10/20/2023 13:45 Comments || Top||

#4  And Palestinians spit on him - but not his $100 million
Posted by: Grom the Reflective || 10/20/2023 14:00 Comments || Top||

#5  Hamas says it releases two US hostages 'for humanitarian reasons' after Qatari efforts
Posted by: Grom the Reflective || 10/20/2023 14:12 Comments || Top||

#6  ^Iran got 6 billion for five.
Palestinians get 100 million for two.
DISCRIMINATION!!!
Posted by: Grom the Reflective || 10/20/2023 14:20 Comments || Top||


Liberals Replace Star Of David On 'Coexist' Sticker With Hamas Paraglider
[Bee] LOS ANGELES, CA — Merchandising companies released an updated version of the iconic 'COEXIST' bumper sticker this week with the Star Of David removed and replaced by the image of Hamas paragliders.

"The best way for everyone to coexist peacefully is by killing off the Jews," said liberal activist Molly Stanton. "It was high time we decolonized the 'COEXIST' message."

According to makers of the sticker, the paraglider symbol of murderous Hamas terrorists encapsulates the freedom and tolerance that all true liberals yearn for. "This change helps convey how serious we are about peaceful coexistence," said sticker designer Deandra Martinez. "We are so committed to peaceful coexistence we will commit mass murder of a particular ethnic group if necessary. We're just one genocide away from utopia, folks."

As of printing time, Rep. Rashida Tlaib had been seen covering flyers showing the faces of hostages with the new 'COEXIST' stickers.

Posted by: Frank G || 10/20/2023 00:00 || Comments || Link || [11 views] Top|| File under: Hamas

#1  Oh, the Bee.
Posted by: Grom the Reflective || 10/20/2023 2:12 Comments || Top||

#2  It would be more accurate.
Posted by: Super Hose || 10/20/2023 9:50 Comments || Top||

#3  Rashida Tlaib is still pushing the lie of the 500 dead in Israeli hospital attack. Such a vile person.
Posted by: Deacon Blues || 10/20/2023 12:34 Comments || Top||

#4  #3 Experience teaches Muslims that perseverance works.
Posted by: Grom the Reflective || 10/20/2023 12:36 Comments || Top||

#5  If they were half as creative as they claim they are, these would already be off the press.
Posted by: swksvolFF || 10/20/2023 12:49 Comments || Top||


Nick Fuentes with a more balanced and rational take on Israel/Palestine than the entire political class.


I’m with autumn groyper. Lauren Chen may be a popular young pundit, but she still has interesting areas of ignorance. Those innocent children’s parents elected and re-elected Hamas to govern them, and danced in the streets to celebrate the return of their heroes with 250 captives. But regardless, Israel did warn the civilians to go to the south of the Gaza Strip to get out of the way of the bombing, and reportedly a million of them did so — half the claimed population of Gaza —so any still remaining are the moral responsibility of either themselves or Hamas, which has been actively preventing people from fleeing. There is no genocide by Israel, nor even an attempted genocide.

And Mr. Fuentes is an old-fashioned, double-standard bigot — Jew-hating variety. How boring.
Posted by: Ulomorong Croting3271 || 10/20/2023 00:00 || Comments || Link || [14 views] Top|| File under: Hamas

#1  Hamas and the rest of the Palestinian world hate us. They danced and celebrated our misfortune at 9-11. They have a right to be our enemies. Let’s let them hate us for free. No Palestinian immigration is my standard unless it is Christians fleeing the Holy Land. As for Fuentes, my policy is no Nick, none of the time. He has a 1st Amendment right to speak. I have a 1st Amendment right to not listen.
Posted by: Super Hose || 10/20/2023 9:49 Comments || Top||

#2 
Posted by: Ulomorong Croting3271 || 10/20/2023 10:39 Comments || Top||

#3  Civilized people seem to be in agreement that Hamas has to go. You can critique Israel's method of solving the problem, but no one has proposed an equally direct, less destructive method that would actually work. And no, more words on paper will not help.

As for the "collective punishment" thing, think of it as practice for being an actual state. In the world of geo-politics, if State A attacks State B, State A should expect some return fire. You may protest that you did not launch the missiles yourself or even vote for the party in power, but no matter. You are all in it together. Welcome to Statehood!
Posted by: SteveS || 10/20/2023 11:21 Comments || Top||

#4  Just to play Herbie's advocate on the one point-- resp9nsibility for infliction of near-infinite agony on the helpless -- where me antisemitism-of-high-expectations happens to overlap with his...

Some children were not feeling swell
In Israel's land.
"All is well."
"Elohim doesn't choose
Who will win, and who lose!"
"Allah's hand has propelled them to Hell!"
[rolls eyes, tucks Koran in seat of pants]

Not just a lake in Korea?
Posted by: Sheba Lumplump6391 || 10/20/2023 12:51 Comments || Top||

#5  Yeah, these are the arguments the Japanese used in China, and the Germans in Vinnitsa.

"Civilized people"
Posted by: Ulomorong Croting3271 || 10/20/2023 13:08 Comments || Top||

#6  Islam is at war with modern civilization. Those who can't pick a side are limpdicked humanist faggots who will forever remain confused. Culling moslems, 'collectively punishing' them, keeping them running for their lives is not a choice. It's an imperative.
Posted by: Dron66046 || 10/20/2023 13:18 Comments || Top||

#7  In fairness, the Japs also ate rice in China, and the Germans sausages in the... Saloreich, is it, Grom? Standard issue rationalization for every group ever.
Posted by: Sheba Lumplump6391 || 10/20/2023 13:25 Comments || Top||

#8  Don't argue with a pig Dron.
Posted by: Grom the Reflective || 10/20/2023 13:26 Comments || Top||

#9  Oh gawd. I knew that would go well... and I haven't even been deared yet. [dread]
Posted by: Sheba Lumplump6391 || 10/20/2023 13:49 Comments || Top||

#10 
Posted by: Grom the Reflective || 10/20/2023 13:57 Comments || Top||

#11  Lileks' View
Posted by: KBK || 10/20/2023 14:29 Comments || Top||

#12  and I haven't even been deared yet.

I’m exhausted dealing with my mother’s health issues at the moment. so no dears for anyone. But the Jew-hating ass limpdicked humanist pseudo-intellectual did get his well-deserved spam-copping — see above,
Posted by: trailing wife || 10/20/2023 15:15 Comments || Top||

#13  I’m exhausted dealing with my mother’s health issues at the moment.

Best wishes (רפוא שלמה)
Posted by: Grom the Reflective || 10/20/2023 15:20 Comments || Top||

#14 
Posted by: Ulomorong Croting3271 || 10/20/2023 16:43 Comments || Top||

#15  What Grom said, and maximum sympathy, tw. Been there like Biden... and there wasn't any hidin'.
Posted by: Sheba Lumplump6391 || 10/20/2023 16:54 Comments || Top||

#16  Mr. Fuentes is historically illiterate. He's also lying with he invokes genocide.

Since the inception of Israel, its the Arabs who have sought to destroy it. What miseries they sight are of their own creation and unwillingness to except Israel's existence.

No ground operation is targeting the West Bank and that population, thus the hysterical use of the word genocide only shows his disingenuousness
about what is to unfold.

As for group punishment, just ask the Germans and the Japanese militarist who unleashed barbaric war in Europe and Asia. Today, they are among the less militaristic population around. Note well, he offers no practical solution to extracting the poison that resides among the population. In reality its metastasized through the culture.

What he is scared about is witnessing real war, something we haven't seen a lot of since 1945.

His comments are about as useful to the situation as the peace revelers who were the first victims of the present atrocity.

By the way Mr. Fuentes, using your own population as a human shield is a war crime in accordance with the Conventions. The guilty party is not the one fight through them to get to the those responsible.
Posted by: Procopius2k || 10/20/2023 16:57 Comments || Top||


Syria-Lebanon-Iran
Will US forces fight alongside Israel if Hezbollah opened new front?
My guess is that Joe will dither, then make whichever decision is wrong.
[An Nahar] The U.S. and Israel are discussing what to do in case Hezbollah joined the war.

U.S. President Joe The Big Guy Biden
...46th president of the U.S. You're a lyin' dog-faced pony soldier...
said he hasn't promised Israel that U.S. forces would fight alongside Israeli troops in response to any attack by Hezbollah against Israel.

"Not true," Biden replied to journalists who asked him about reports that his administration had told Israel that the U.S. would enter the war if Hezbollah did.

However,
there's more than one way to skin a cat...
Biden said that "our military is talking with their military about what the alternatives are" in the event of a Hezbollah attack.

U.S. news portal Axios meanwhile reported that furing his hourlong meeting with Netanyahu and a subsequent talk with members of Israel's War Cabinet, Biden asked about the escalating tension between Israel and Hezbollah on the border of Israel and Leb
...an Iranian satrapy currently ruled by Hassan Nasrallah situated on the eastern Mediterranean, conveniently adjacent to Israel. Formerly inhabited by hardy Phoenecian traders, its official language is now Arabic, with the usual unpleasant side effects. The Leb civil war, between 1975 and 1990, lasted a little over 145 years and produced 120,000 fatalities. The average length of a ceasefire was measured in seconds. The Lebs maintain a precarious sectarian balance among Shiites, Sunnis, and about a dozen flavors of Christians, plus Armenians, Georgians, and who knows what else? It is the home of the original Hezbollah, which periodically starts a war with the Zionist Entity, gets Beirut pounded to rubble, and then declares victory and has a parade. The Lebs have the curious habit of periodically murdering their heads of state or prime ministers...
.

"Biden was particularly concerned that Iran-backed Hezbollah would decide to join the war, increasing the odds of a broader conflict in the Middle East," Axios said.

Since the early days of the war, the Biden administration has sent private and public messages to Hezbollah and Iran, warning them not to join in the fighting. Hezbollah has said it is willing to help Hamas
...the well-beloved offspring of the Moslem Brotherhood,...
.

The Israeli army announced Thursday on X, formerly Twitter, of strikes against positions of Hezbollah in Lebanon.

Since the start of the war, triggered by an unprecedented attack by Hamas turbans on Israel on October 7, exchanges of fire between Hezbollah and the Israeli army have likewise increased around the Israel-Lebanon border area.

Clashes there have left at least 18 people dead on the Lebanese side.

Most of the dead have been combatants, including 10 Hezbollah fighters, but they also include a Rooters journalist and two civilians.

Posted by: Fred || 10/20/2023 00:00 || Comments || Link || [20 views] Top|| File under: Hezbollah

#1  No, but they'll be there for photo OPs.
Posted by: Skidmark || 10/20/2023 1:54 Comments || Top||

#2  Jeez no. Never a war they didn't love.
Posted by: ed in texas || 10/20/2023 8:50 Comments || Top||

#3  I think that idea is one of Lindsey Graham’s visualizations.
Posted by: Super Hose || 10/20/2023 9:52 Comments || Top||

#4  An arclight might be appropriate.
Posted by: Abu Uluque || 10/20/2023 12:32 Comments || Top||

#5  Boots on ground - no.
Anti-missile shield - yes.
Cruise missiles - yes.
Naval bombardment - yes.
Posted by: mossomo || 10/20/2023 13:00 Comments || Top||

#6  Naval bombardment - yes

Posted by: Grom the Reflective || 10/20/2023 13:41 Comments || Top||

#7  No. The special forces are there to link intel to find American hostages in Gaza and the Marines are in the boats to get them if needed.

Now blowing the shit out of some uppity terrorists with naval and air power along with missile intercepts? Oh fuck yeah we'll do that.
Posted by: DarthVader || 10/20/2023 15:57 Comments || Top||



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