An 8-year-old St. Johns boy charged with double homicide may have kept a written record of spankings he received at home, vowing that the 1,000th would be his limit, according to police records released Friday. A search affidavit signed by Sgt. Lucas Rodriguez says the child "is believed to have made ledgers and/or communicated in the form of writings about his intentions."
"(The boy) told a CPS (Child Protective Services) worker that when he reached one thousand spankings, that would be his limit," the affidavit says. "(The boy) kept a tally of his spankings on a piece of paper."
The juvenile is charged with shooting his 29-year-old father and a family friend, 39-year-old Timothy Romans, at the family's home in St. Johns on Nov. 5.
One day after the killings, the third-grader gave police a statement that investigators described as a confession. In it, he says he was spanked by his stepmother at his father's request the day before the homicides because he did not bring home some school papers.
The newly released documents also say family members were not surprised when Police Chief Roy Melnick informed them that the boy had admitted shooting his dad. In a written report, Melnick says he and another officer "comforted them as best we could."
After several minutes," the report continues, "(the grandmother) shouted out in an angry and loud tone, 'I knew this would happen. They were too hard on (the boy). I knew (he) did it. He spent the night in my bed cuddling up to me. I had a feeling he did it. If any 8-year-old boy is capable of doing this, it's (him).' "
The grandfather then repeated, "If any 8-year-old was capable of doing this, (he) was."
The grandparents were too overcome with grief to explain further, the report said. Because of the suspect's age, The Arizona Republic is not identifying him or his family members by name.
Search-warrant records are contained in a police report made available by the Apache County Attorney's Office. Those records do no include crime-lab reports, which might identify fingerprints on shell casings, gunshot residue on a suspect's clothing or ballistics from the murder weapon.
However, the case file contains numerous other revelations. Among them:
The boy's father was shot four times, twice in the head. Romans was hit six times. The shot in one of his two head wounds was fired at close range. In his statement to police, the boy had said that he shot his father and Romans twice each to stop their suffering after they had been wounded by an unknown person.
The victims' co-workers, friends and family told detectives that the two men recently had been involved in minor disputes with colleagues at a nearby power plant and with men at a local bar. Police in San Carlos, where Romans grew up, told St. Johns investigators that he had a prior drug arrest and was suspected of minor drug dealing. Friends of Romans told St. Johns police that he was getting a divorce.
Juvenile-booking records show the 8-year-old had no history of psychiatric care and was not on any medications. They list the boy at 4 feet tall, and 65 pounds.
Since the ordeal began, published reports have quoted a number of psychologists and criminologists who suggest that a child of the suspect's age would be capable of killing only if he had been subjected to serious trauma.
The search-warrant records contain the first public disclosure that the boy was in contact with CPS workers and may have endured regular corporal punishment. The records do not mention a diary of spankings. However, the seized evidence includes a spelling worksheet with blood on it and another sheet of paper labeled, "Story (boy's first name) the Family."
Because CPS cases are confidential and an Apache County judge imposed a gag order, it remains unclear when and why the boy may have discussed spankings with a caseworker.
Investigative records describe how the child sat in the St. Johns police station after his arrest, chewing on a plastic cup. After a long silence, he told an officer, "They're going to send me to juvie, I know it." Within minutes, he was booked into the Apache County Juvenile Detention Center.
Another police report, filed a day later, says the boy asked to see a court security officer's phone while awaiting a hearing. "He then said, 'My lawyer has a phone like that, and my dad had one, too. But he's not going to need it. He's not coming back.' "
The boy, who is on furlough with his birth mother over the Thanksgiving holiday, faces juvenile charges of premeditated murder. County Attorney Criss Candelaria must decide within two weeks whether he will seek to prosecute him as an adult.
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Since the ordeal began, published reports have quoted a number of psychologists and criminologists who suggest that a child of the suspect's age would be capable of killing only if he had been subjected to serious trauma.
They obviously keep themselves cloistered from the real world. Part of the problem with so many western 'experts' is they fail to realize that the west itself lives largely in the fantasy land of human history. Their perspective is the anomaly not the norm.
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This kid has had serious, serious psychological trauma. Trying him as an adult would be the worst thing that could be done.
He needs time in a group home or facility where a dedicated psychologist can get into his head and figure out what happened.
And, by the way, I'm having trouble believing an eight year old kid fired 10 shots at two different men, with some of the shots being head shots at close range. Just doesn't sound right.
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I think the big question is how close his parents came to beating him 1000 times? And that only includes the times an eight year old can remember.
The first thing I'd do is X-Ray the kid, then use a scan to see if there is obvious brain damage. If he checks out physically, he needs a team of psychiatrists and psychologists, as well the the best, most seasoned foster parents around.
I would actually be a good sign if he has PTSD. If he doesn't, it is going to be a decade of hard work if they hope he will have anything approaching a normal rest of his life.
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Those would have to be some salty foster parents Anonymoose.
I know I wouldn't want to be sleeping in the same house as a kid that kills people in their sleep.
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We seem to be slaying the innocent unborn and raising monsters instead. He needs to sleep alright, in his grave. Having tasted it, he'll likely kill again.
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Maybe I'm just cold and heartless, but this kid killed two people in cold blood. I'm for putting him down on a precautionary basis because if they don't, he'll be out at 21 doing it again with a worse attitude.
TOKYO (Reuters) -- Handlers of a popular polar bear, brought to mate with a female in a zoo in northern Japan, found their breeding plan was doomed when they noticed that he, in fact, was a she. Oopsie...
Tsuyoshi, a four-year-old, 200 kg (441 lb) cream-colored polar bear, had been living in harmony with a female polar bear since June, the two often playing together, Masako Inoue, a zookeeper at the Kushiro Municipal Zoo, said on Wednesday.
"We thought he was a male, so we never had any doubts as we took care of him," she said. "But one day we realized that the two bears urinate in the same way, and we thought, is that how males do it? And once we started to look at things that way, we weren't quite so sure." OK, but it took you SIX MONTHS to notice this?
Don't loan them to the San Diego Zoo, they can't get married there ...
After two DNA examinations of Tsuyoshi's hair and a manual exam, the Kushiro Municipal Zoo found Tsuyoshi to be a female.
"We do have mixed feelings," said Inoue. "But because Tsuyoshi was supposed to be a male, she came here, and because she came here, we were able to take care of her since she was very small." Wait, you had MORE than six months??
It is not uncommon for the sex of polar bears to be misread, Inoue said, as their long hair makes it difficult to distinguish, especially when the bears are young. Tsuyoshi was pegged as a male three months after birth, Inoue said. That ALONE saves you from being 'Today's Idiot.'
On a serious note the reason male humans have scrotums is to cool testiculae since human spermtaozoids die very fast at 37 degrees. But given where polar bears live the genitalia of their males are certainly hidden in their fur or perhaps even semi-internal. In cetacens they are only visible when aroused, rest of time they are carried internally for improved hydrodynamism.
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Humans as well. It happened to me once when I was stuck on a mountainside in a snowstorm and getting hyperthermia. Reaching inside my pants to take a pee, I kinda freaked when it wasn't there. My penis had retracted completely inside my body.
The Saudi Ministry of Education recently ordered the removal of two books by a leading intellectul of the Muslim Brotherhood from school libraries because of the extremist ideas they contained, a Saudi newspaper reported on Wednesday.
"The books, 'The Lies About Sayyid Qutb' and 'The Jihad in the Way of God,' are banned from school libraries because of their extremist and confusing ideas that may misinform students," Abdul Rahman al-Fasil, director general of Boys Education Administration in the Saudi Asir province, was quoted as saying in the Saudi Arab News.
The ban on the two books was aimed at protecting the young students from deviant ideology, said Ibrahim al-Hamdan, director general of the Girls Education Administration in Abha.
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Well, it's a start.
Who knows, it could catch on!
They just progressed to the 7th century!
Hurray Saudi Arabia!
To get banned there, it must have been a real doozie!
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Let's see you do that at 22 below, Charlotte. I doubt you'd last more than 30 seconds. There are lots of reasons for wearing fur other than as a fashion statement.
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the nylon jackets they wear will still be in some trash heap 2 million years from now but that fur will have bio-degraded in decades.
The Netherlands plans to ban face coverings worn by some Muslim women from universities, not only for students but also mothers and anyone else entering the grounds, the education ministry said Wednesday.
Education Minister Ronald Plasterk announced in parliament that the planned ban, initially intended to apply only to the compulsory schooling system, would now also extend to tertiary education institutions, his spokesman told AFP. It would apply to pupils, teachers, cleaners and parents -- all women who come through the gates of such institutions, said spokesman Freek Manche.
"It will forbid any kind of garment that covers the face. The intention is to ensure that all people who communicate with each other on school grounds are able to look each other in the eye, to see each other's faces," he said.
Plasterk had initially intended the ban on garments such as the burka and niqab only for schools, citing the importance of children being able to recognize and identify others. "... if you want to be present there (at school) as service provider, as parent, as teacher or as pupil, then you will have to let your face show," the minister said when he initially announced the restrictions in September.
He had not wanted to extend the ban to tertiary education, said the minister's spokesman, "because this level of education is not compulsory. These are adults."
However, Plasterk had to adapt his plans on the insistence of a majority in parliament. The ban would affect "a few hundred people, and only a handful in higher education," he added.
Only one or two female students are thought to actually cover their faces while attending classes. An estimated 100 women in the Netherlands wear the all-encompassing Islamic garment, according to the daily Dutch News.
To date, schools and universities had been able to make their own rules on this issue. The ministry plans to pass a law during the course of 2009 to change this.
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Mashallah! We can now communicate "eye to eye."
(AKI) - Iran executed nine men and one woman on Wednesday at the country's notorious Evin prison, in Tehran, semi-official news agency Fars reported. Some reports said the woman, identified as Fatemeh Haqiqat-Pajuh, killed her husband because he had raped her daughter from a previous marriage. However, the official overseeing the execution said Fatemeh was executed because she brutally murdered her husband in 2001, cutting him into pieces.
All of the 10 people executed were convicted of murder. In Iran, capital punishment is imposed for murder, kidnapping , adultery, treason, drug trafficking of over five kilogrammes and other offences.
On 17 November, Iran hanged Ali Ashtari, an Iranian who allegedly spied for Israel's intelligence agency Mossad.
More than 200 hangings have taken place in Iran since the beginning of 2008. Last year, Iran was second only to China in the number of executions it carried out, hanging 317 individuals, according to rights group Amnesty International.
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The Netherlands plans to ban face coverings worn by some Muslim women from universities, not only for students but also mothers and anyone else entering the grounds, the education ministry said Wednesday. 
