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2012-09-21 Home Front: Culture Wars
DAMMIT, WAKE UP!
h/t Instapundit
There is a mystery about this election. The slanted national press and Romney's weaknesses are well understood, but a large gap separates these explanations from the fact that needs explaining: this election will be close. How is that possible when Obama has shown himself to be the worst president in modern history? And when Romney (on the other hand) is unexciting but safe, serious, solid--just the right sort of man to shelter all sorts of tempest-tost Americans in a storm?
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2012-09-21 06:49|| E-Mail|| Front Page|| ||Comments [282 views ] Top
#1 I pay no attention to the polls. Look at Gallup what happened when they came close to showing the truth. The old media is in the tank for the Democrats period. More people are now losing jobs, good jobs like coal and defense. I talked to a young woman that had to quit college and now must work full time to support her future husband and child. He just lost his computer related job with a defense company. He is now working on his masters she said. Just basics, wick program but too little to help. No extra money for anything.
Many anti Obama signs in my coal area also. I truthfully believe we will hear a loud flushing sound at election time. While still in office he will pull as many dirty tricks as he can, pardons and so on.
Posted by Dale 2012-09-21 07:06|| 2012-09-21 07:06|| Front Page ||Comments Top
#2 I pray you are right Dale.
Posted by Besoeker 2012-09-21 07:11|| 2012-09-21 07:11|| Front Page ||Comments Top
#3 Housing fraud-government buys all the paper no boots on ground like Russia
Keeps printing money
Prices are going through roof on everything
Smaller quantity in food containers at stores
using food crops for inferior energy for entire country
Farming all jobs over seas
Corruption is beyond obvious
Gold what crap can't eat it
Troops spread across globe
All sorts of useless lies and leaders yet putting on the complete opposite air on television and the internet
What do people really believe?
Posted by Angiting Snore1647 2012-09-21 07:38|| 2012-09-21 07:38|| Front Page ||Comments Top
#4 I think the media will stay in the tank until after the debates. At that point they may try to regain credibility if it looks like Obama is the weak horse despite their attempts.
Posted by rjschwarz 2012-09-21 08:29|| 2012-09-21 08:29|| Front Page ||Comments Top
#5 Reagan was behind Carter in late October in 1980. He won the election with 489 electoral votes. Carter got something like 44. Carter screwed up the Iran crisis and the economy was terrible, similar kind of phenomenon today with Obama. It's a little more complicated today as there are other factors that have entered this election.
Posted by JohnQC 2012-09-21 09:05|| 2012-09-21 09:05|| Front Page ||Comments Top
#6 1. Public education.
2. Independents are emotional voters. They don;t know and don't care about policy. They want to be excited, and Romney isn't exciting.
3. The polls are bald lies. At the last instant they'll skew toward Romney to try and save some credibility, but they will never show anything but a horse race until then.
Posted by Iblis 2012-09-21 09:50|| 2012-09-21 09:50|| Front Page ||Comments Top
#7 Give me a guy or a gal who in unexciting but competetent--someone who can actually do something. I don't want some dumb a** Hollywood celebrity as President.
Margaret Thatcher said: "Socialism ends when it runs out of other people's money."
Posted by JohnQC 2012-09-21 10:48|| 2012-09-21 10:48|| Front Page ||Comments Top
#8 "who in is unexciting." Sorry, my proofing missed this.
Posted by JohnQC 2012-09-21 10:49|| 2012-09-21 10:49|| Front Page ||Comments Top
#9 JohnQC:
You are not an independent voter would be my guess.
One additional feature of the 'I' voter is that they follow the crowd. If the party base gets excited that's enough for them. They'll get excited too. Worked for Reagan. Worked for Champ in '08. Not working this year, though you saw it briefly with the Ryan pick.
Also, if the Independents remain undecided at the end they overwhelmingly break for the challenger.
Posted by Iblis 2012-09-21 11:56|| 2012-09-21 11:56|| Front Page ||Comments Top
#10 Reagan was exciting but he was also eminently competent and courageous enough to take a stand.
I'm afraid Romney needs to kick it up a notch or else he's going to lose the same way John McCain did. When he went in front of Univision he talked about the 100 percent. Bullshit. He had a moment of candor when he talked about the 47 percent but he let the media convince him it was a gaffe. It was only a gaffe because he let them say it was. All he had to do to justify it was ask people if they want to be dependent or independent. That's what it's all about.
Posted by Ebbang Uluque6305 2012-09-21 12:10|| 2012-09-21 12:10|| Front Page ||Comments Top
#11
The polls are bald lies. At the last instant they'll skew toward Romney to try and save some credibility, but they will never show anything but a horse race until then.
The polls show what they're paid to show -- which is exactly what you describe. The press wants to show a "horse race" -- with Obama generally in the lead -- because it brings in a bigger audience.
And, second, polls are just an example of bandwagon propaganda. "The majority are voting for Obama -- you don't want to be an outsider, do you?" It's BS.
The only honest polls are the ones the campaigns pay for -- because they pay for the accuracy and honesty. Those polls must show Romney with a comfortable lead, because most of the efforts the Democrats have made have been in getting their base excited, not in reaching out to the undecided.
Posted by Rob Crawford 2012-09-21 12:30|| 2012-09-21 12:30|| Front Page ||Comments Top
#12 I have low expectations for the debates. I'm actually afraid Obama will mop the floor with Romney - he has no fire in his belly and seems uncomfortable coming on strong. I also want to know where Ryan has been - I haven't heard/seen much of him in over a week. He's got more of what it takes to win than Romney - put him up front!
Posted by Yosemite Sam 2012-09-21 12:51|| 2012-09-21 12:51|| Front Page ||Comments Top
#13 It isn't that the pollsters are paid to show a horserace.
The pollsters are being paid (or lobbied) to suppress the Republican and independent vote.
The logic is simple: show that Obama (or Warren, or any other favored Democrat) is ahead, and there is a certain segment of the public who will stay home on election day. They'll say, "what's the use" and sit it out.
Sounds stupid, right? But it works.
So Axelrod and Plouffe are working hard daily on the pollsters.
Democratic client pollsters like PPP have an additional job: skew the poll averages. You've seen these averages at Real Clear Politics, etc -- they gather up a bunch of recent polls and average them for a 'consensus' number.
So if PPP, by whatever means, consistently shows Champ to be +6, and four other pollsters see it as Romney +1/0, guess what the average is. Yup, Champs keeps his lead.
The Democrats know this works: it was proven in Florida in 2000, when the Gore team had (bought) exit polls showing him in the lead and persuaded CBS to 'call' Florida early. The voters in the panhandle part of the state, in the Central time zone, still had time to go to the polls, but a number didn't. Later polling showed that the voters who stayed home rather than go vote in that last hour would have voted Bush 2:1 over Gore. Enough to tip (or solidify) the election.
A fair number of pollsters are as deep in the tank for Obama as the MSM. Remember that, and remember the Gore trick on election night: Axelrod has plans, I'm sure.
Posted by Steve White 2012-09-21 12:57|| 2012-09-21 12:57|| Front Page ||Comments Top
#14 I never talk to pollsters. Never.
Posted by Ebbang Uluque6305 2012-09-21 13:55|| 2012-09-21 13:55|| Front Page ||Comments Top
#15 #9 JohnQC: You are not an independent voter would be my guess.
I was talking to my neighbor this A.M., a Viet vet. He said we wasn't so much voting for Romney as he was voting against Obama. I agree with him. I think what Obama is doing to this country is an abomination. We both agreed Washington is FUBAR. I will vote for the most conservative candidate that has a chance of winning. In this case it is Romney/Ryan. Independents don't have a good history of winning in this country; they tend to be spoilers--in some cases that is good. There were good people that never emerged beyond the primaries that I liked but that's the nature of the process.
Posted by JohnQC 2012-09-21 16:56|| 2012-09-21 16:56|| Front Page ||Comments Top
#16 Quds force on this page is friendly and this is from Rand corp same page! Know why you are being killed the real reasons!
Ismail Bin Zakkaria Zakkaria
Oct 23, 2011 - Public
The first step is for the U.S. government and its allies to make a
clear decision to build moderate networks and to create an explicit link
between this goal and overall U.S. strategy and programs. Effective
implementation of this strategy requires the creation of an institutional
structure within the U.S. government to guide, support, oversee, and
continuously monitor the effort. Within the framework of this structure,
the U.S. government must build up the necessary expertise and
capacity to execute the strategy, which includes
1. An ever-evolving and ever-sharpening set of criteria that distinguishes
true moderates from opportunists and from extremists
camouflaged as moderates, and liberal secularists from authoritarian
secularists. The U.S. government needs to have the ability
to make situational decisions to knowingly and for tactical
reasons support individuals outside of that range under specific
circumstances.
2. An international database of partners (individuals, groups, organizations,
institutions, parties, etc.)
3. Mechanisms for monitoring, refining, and overseeing programs,
projects, and decisions. These should include a feedback loop to
allow for inputs and corrections from those partners who have
been found to be most trustworthy.
From the book called "Building Moderate Muslim Networks" by Rand Corporations
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2012-09-21 Home Front: Culture Wars
DAMMIT, WAKE UP!
h/t Instapundit
There is a mystery about this election. The slanted national press and Romney's weaknesses are well understood, but a large gap separates these explanations from the fact that needs explaining: this election will be close. How is that possible when Obama has shown himself to be the worst president in modern history? And when Romney (on the other hand) is unexciting but safe, serious, solid--just the right sort of man to shelter all sorts of tempest-tost Americans in a storm?
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2012-09-21 06:49|| E-Mail|| Front Page|| ||Comments [282 views ] Top
#1 I pay no attention to the polls. Look at Gallup what happened when they came close to showing the truth. The old media is in the tank for the Democrats period. More people are now losing jobs, good jobs like coal and defense. I talked to a young woman that had to quit college and now must work full time to support her future husband and child. He just lost his computer related job with a defense company. He is now working on his masters she said. Just basics, wick program but too little to help. No extra money for anything.
Many anti Obama signs in my coal area also. I truthfully believe we will hear a loud flushing sound at election time. While still in office he will pull as many dirty tricks as he can, pardons and so on.
Posted by Dale 2012-09-21 07:06|| 2012-09-21 07:06|| Front Page ||Comments Top
#2 I pray you are right Dale.
Posted by Besoeker 2012-09-21 07:11|| 2012-09-21 07:11|| Front Page ||Comments Top
#3 Housing fraud-government buys all the paper no boots on ground like Russia
Keeps printing money
Prices are going through roof on everything
Smaller quantity in food containers at stores
using food crops for inferior energy for entire country
Farming all jobs over seas
Corruption is beyond obvious
Gold what crap can't eat it
Troops spread across globe
All sorts of useless lies and leaders yet putting on the complete opposite air on television and the internet
What do people really believe?
Posted by Angiting Snore1647 2012-09-21 07:38|| 2012-09-21 07:38|| Front Page ||Comments Top
#4 I think the media will stay in the tank until after the debates. At that point they may try to regain credibility if it looks like Obama is the weak horse despite their attempts.
Posted by rjschwarz 2012-09-21 08:29|| 2012-09-21 08:29|| Front Page ||Comments Top
#5 Reagan was behind Carter in late October in 1980. He won the election with 489 electoral votes. Carter got something like 44. Carter screwed up the Iran crisis and the economy was terrible, similar kind of phenomenon today with Obama. It's a little more complicated today as there are other factors that have entered this election.
Posted by JohnQC 2012-09-21 09:05|| 2012-09-21 09:05|| Front Page ||Comments Top
#6 1. Public education.
2. Independents are emotional voters. They don;t know and don't care about policy. They want to be excited, and Romney isn't exciting.
3. The polls are bald lies. At the last instant they'll skew toward Romney to try and save some credibility, but they will never show anything but a horse race until then.
Posted by Iblis 2012-09-21 09:50|| 2012-09-21 09:50|| Front Page ||Comments Top
#7 Give me a guy or a gal who in unexciting but competetent--someone who can actually do something. I don't want some dumb a** Hollywood celebrity as President.
Margaret Thatcher said: "Socialism ends when it runs out of other people's money."
Posted by JohnQC 2012-09-21 10:48|| 2012-09-21 10:48|| Front Page ||Comments Top
#8 "who in is unexciting." Sorry, my proofing missed this.
Posted by JohnQC 2012-09-21 10:49|| 2012-09-21 10:49|| Front Page ||Comments Top
#9 JohnQC:
You are not an independent voter would be my guess.
One additional feature of the 'I' voter is that they follow the crowd. If the party base gets excited that's enough for them. They'll get excited too. Worked for Reagan. Worked for Champ in '08. Not working this year, though you saw it briefly with the Ryan pick.
Also, if the Independents remain undecided at the end they overwhelmingly break for the challenger.
Posted by Iblis 2012-09-21 11:56|| 2012-09-21 11:56|| Front Page ||Comments Top
#10 Reagan was exciting but he was also eminently competent and courageous enough to take a stand.
I'm afraid Romney needs to kick it up a notch or else he's going to lose the same way John McCain did. When he went in front of Univision he talked about the 100 percent. Bullshit. He had a moment of candor when he talked about the 47 percent but he let the media convince him it was a gaffe. It was only a gaffe because he let them say it was. All he had to do to justify it was ask people if they want to be dependent or independent. That's what it's all about.
Posted by Ebbang Uluque6305 2012-09-21 12:10|| 2012-09-21 12:10|| Front Page ||Comments Top
#11
The polls are bald lies. At the last instant they'll skew toward Romney to try and save some credibility, but they will never show anything but a horse race until then.
The polls show what they're paid to show -- which is exactly what you describe. The press wants to show a "horse race" -- with Obama generally in the lead -- because it brings in a bigger audience.
And, second, polls are just an example of bandwagon propaganda. "The majority are voting for Obama -- you don't want to be an outsider, do you?" It's BS.
The only honest polls are the ones the campaigns pay for -- because they pay for the accuracy and honesty. Those polls must show Romney with a comfortable lead, because most of the efforts the Democrats have made have been in getting their base excited, not in reaching out to the undecided.
Posted by Rob Crawford 2012-09-21 12:30|| 2012-09-21 12:30|| Front Page ||Comments Top
#12 I have low expectations for the debates. I'm actually afraid Obama will mop the floor with Romney - he has no fire in his belly and seems uncomfortable coming on strong. I also want to know where Ryan has been - I haven't heard/seen much of him in over a week. He's got more of what it takes to win than Romney - put him up front!
Posted by Yosemite Sam 2012-09-21 12:51|| 2012-09-21 12:51|| Front Page ||Comments Top
#13 It isn't that the pollsters are paid to show a horserace.
The pollsters are being paid (or lobbied) to suppress the Republican and independent vote.
The logic is simple: show that Obama (or Warren, or any other favored Democrat) is ahead, and there is a certain segment of the public who will stay home on election day. They'll say, "what's the use" and sit it out.
Sounds stupid, right? But it works.
So Axelrod and Plouffe are working hard daily on the pollsters.
Democratic client pollsters like PPP have an additional job: skew the poll averages. You've seen these averages at Real Clear Politics, etc -- they gather up a bunch of recent polls and average them for a 'consensus' number.
So if PPP, by whatever means, consistently shows Champ to be +6, and four other pollsters see it as Romney +1/0, guess what the average is. Yup, Champs keeps his lead.
The Democrats know this works: it was proven in Florida in 2000, when the Gore team had (bought) exit polls showing him in the lead and persuaded CBS to 'call' Florida early. The voters in the panhandle part of the state, in the Central time zone, still had time to go to the polls, but a number didn't. Later polling showed that the voters who stayed home rather than go vote in that last hour would have voted Bush 2:1 over Gore. Enough to tip (or solidify) the election.
A fair number of pollsters are as deep in the tank for Obama as the MSM. Remember that, and remember the Gore trick on election night: Axelrod has plans, I'm sure.
Posted by Steve White 2012-09-21 12:57|| 2012-09-21 12:57|| Front Page ||Comments Top
#14 I never talk to pollsters. Never.
Posted by Ebbang Uluque6305 2012-09-21 13:55|| 2012-09-21 13:55|| Front Page ||Comments Top
#15 #9 JohnQC: You are not an independent voter would be my guess.
I was talking to my neighbor this A.M., a Viet vet. He said we wasn't so much voting for Romney as he was voting against Obama. I agree with him. I think what Obama is doing to this country is an abomination. We both agreed Washington is FUBAR. I will vote for the most conservative candidate that has a chance of winning. In this case it is Romney/Ryan. Independents don't have a good history of winning in this country; they tend to be spoilers--in some cases that is good. There were good people that never emerged beyond the primaries that I liked but that's the nature of the process.
Posted by JohnQC 2012-09-21 16:56|| 2012-09-21 16:56|| Front Page ||Comments Top
#16 Quds force on this page is friendly and this is from Rand corp same page! Know why you are being killed the real reasons!
Ismail Bin Zakkaria Zakkaria
Oct 23, 2011 - Public
The first step is for the U.S. government and its allies to make a
clear decision to build moderate networks and to create an explicit link
between this goal and overall U.S. strategy and programs. Effective
implementation of this strategy requires the creation of an institutional
structure within the U.S. government to guide, support, oversee, and
continuously monitor the effort. Within the framework of this structure,
the U.S. government must build up the necessary expertise and
capacity to execute the strategy, which includes
1. An ever-evolving and ever-sharpening set of criteria that distinguishes
true moderates from opportunists and from extremists
camouflaged as moderates, and liberal secularists from authoritarian
secularists. The U.S. government needs to have the ability
to make situational decisions to knowingly and for tactical
reasons support individuals outside of that range under specific
circumstances.
2. An international database of partners (individuals, groups, organizations,
institutions, parties, etc.)
3. Mechanisms for monitoring, refining, and overseeing programs,
projects, and decisions. These should include a feedback loop to
allow for inputs and corrections from those partners who have
been found to be most trustworthy.
From the book called "Building Moderate Muslim Networks" by Rand Corporations
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