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2005-03-22 Home Front: Culture Wars

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Posted by BigEd 2005-03-22 11:11:36 AM|| || Front Page|| [5 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Honestly, I think that if I were the father of Terry, MR Schiavo would have been tits up long ago, consequences be damned.

Posted by Mort 2005-03-22 11:55:03 AM|| 2005-03-22 11:55:03 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 Heard this comment this morning: The best way to save her life would be to declare her an illegal combatant - you'd have these activist black robes jumpin' to her defense.

Posted by Rex Mundi 2005-03-22 12:00:24 PM|| 2005-03-22 12:00:24 PM|| Front Page Top

#3 And maybe the easiest way to get violent killers executed would be to present them as "inconvenient".

Posted by BH 2005-03-22 12:19:31 PM|| 2005-03-22 12:19:31 PM|| Front Page Top

#4 What would probably be the best course of action is for an impartial third party expert/authority to be brought in to perform a thorough evaluation, and not rely solely on medical circumstances to come to a conclusion. Parts of her brain might be inactive, but from the few video clips played on the tube, she doesn't look like a total vegetable. The brain is capable of amazing things, and it seems to me that it's possible that in this situation, Terri Schiavo could well be aware of what's going on, but unable to communicate clearly due to her very obvious limitations.

What's more troubling is Michael Schiavo having a "grilfriend", which whom he already has one kid with another on the way. The guy is still married to Terri and he has a girlfriend???? If it were up to me, that and that alone would be grounds for any interest he might have in Terri's health and future to be forfeited.

Posted by Bomb-a-rama 2005-03-22 12:54:56 PM|| 2005-03-22 12:54:56 PM|| Front Page Top

#5 Members of the 11^th Circuit
... with age and appointed by President...
Which 3 were chosen? Anybody know?

ACTIVE JUDGES

J L Edmonston , 58, Reagan
Gerald B Tjoflat, 76, Ford
R Lanier Anderson, 69, Reagan
Stanley Birch, 60, Bush 41
Joel F Dubina, 58, Bush 41
Susan H Black, 62, Bush 41
Ed Carnes, 54, Bush 41
Rosemary Barkett, 66, Clinton
Frank M Hull, 57, Clinton
Stanley Marcus, 58, Clinton
Charles R Wilson, 50, Clinton
William Pryor, 43, Bush 43

SENIOR JUDGES

John Godbold, 85, LBJ
Paul H Roney, 84, Nixon
James C Hill, 81, Ford
Peter T Fay, 76, Ford
Phyllis Kravitch, 85, Carter
Emmett R Cox, 35, Reagan

Posted by BigEd 2005-03-22 3:17:36 PM|| 2005-03-22 3:17:36 PM|| Front Page Top

#6 In Germany, no person would have the right to ask for the removal of the feeding tube in such a case, even if he claims that this was the will of the patient. Only a written, legally sound statement of the patient (which has to be rather specific), might be able to do it and not in all cases. As long as the patient is not on the way to certain death, doctors are not allowed to stop alimentation.
I concede that this is a painful case but it seems incredible to me that a husband could legally enforce a decision to kill his wife even if she provenly were in a PVS (something which seems to be in question here).
I know that I wouldn't want to be kept alive this way and I signed the legal documents. In Terri's case she probably mentioned casually that she wouldn't like this (name me a young girl who would like it).
In Terri's case the first thing I would do as a judge is to cancel her husband's custody. I do not blame him for living with another woman but he should not be allowed to make decisions about the life of his wife.

Posted by True German Ally 2005-03-22 4:02:31 PM|| 2005-03-22 4:02:31 PM|| Front Page Top

#7 And, TGA, the "husband" never brought up her "desires" until SEVEN years after the incident...

Posted by BigEd 2005-03-22 4:43:22 PM|| 2005-03-22 4:43:22 PM|| Front Page Top

#8 I do not blame him for living with another woman..

I do. He could have waited until the situation was resolved before taking up with some other woman but he didn't. IMO, being as how he's broken his vows, he's not in any position to speak for her, and should either voluntarily bow out of the picture or be legally stripped of all responsibility for Terri.

Posted by Bomb-a-rama 2005-03-22 5:10:26 PM|| 2005-03-22 5:10:26 PM|| Front Page Top

#9 Nurse Iver (above) is on Hannity.
She just said there was a restraining order against "husband" because he was abusive to the nurses at the facility where Iyer was working.

What?

Posted by BigEd 2005-03-22 5:11:53 PM|| 2005-03-22 5:11:53 PM|| Front Page Top

#10 Bomb-a-rama, that is pretty much what I said. He can't have it both ways.

Expecting from a man to give up his life, his desires to live with a woman, and to have children and just sit and wait for decades until his wife paases away is not realistic. Some spouses can and will do it, but whatever the choice, no moral judgement here.

But once you DO make a decision like Terri's husband made, he cannot expect to make decisions about life and death of the wife he left.

This IS immoral

Posted by True German Ally 2005-03-22 5:18:17 PM|| 2005-03-22 5:18:17 PM|| Front Page Top

#11 Another development...Nurse on Hannity

Nurse Iver now states that she found a vial of insulin concealed in the trash can after "husband" visit. This goes along with the hypoglecimic observation in her affadavit. She says she went to the police, and they said they wouldn't do anything unlesss she saw the "husband" stick a needle in her arm.

Posted by BigEd 2005-03-22 5:21:55 PM|| 2005-03-22 5:21:55 PM|| Front Page Top

#12 Nurse iyer's Affadavit

Posted by BigEd 2005-03-22 5:23:13 PM|| 2005-03-22 5:23:13 PM|| Front Page Top

#13 TGA: In Terri's case the first thing I would do as a judge is to cancel her husband's custody.

If I recall correctly, there already is a court-appointed "guardian" that oversees the case independently.

Posted by Elmoting Granter5118 2005-03-22 5:29:47 PM|| 2005-03-22 5:29:47 PM|| Front Page Top

#14 If that affidavit is true obviously this "guardian" isn't doing his job.

Posted by True German Ally 2005-03-22 5:35:05 PM|| 2005-03-22 5:35:05 PM|| Front Page Top

#15 Hannity has a Current Nurse from the Hospice whose been threatened with termination...

"Nora", an RN 8:00PM Sun - 8:00AM Mon at the hospice was told by her agency not to go back to the hospice because when all the other nurses disagree with her about the tube removal..

Posted by BigEd 2005-03-22 5:40:38 PM|| 2005-03-22 5:40:38 PM|| Front Page Top

#16 If the powers that be do determine that she should be killed, as that is what it is, the LEAST they could do is show this poor unfortunate INNOCENT woman the same mercy they would the family pet or a condemned killer.

Starving her to death is beyond the pale.

Posted by .com 2005-03-22 6:38:07 PM|| 2005-03-22 6:38:07 PM|| Front Page Top

#17 PD... not particularly unusual. Removing a ventilator is faster but... not in this case Lose/lose :<

Posted by Shipman 2005-03-22 7:08:29 PM|| 2005-03-22 7:08:29 PM|| Front Page Top

#18 There's a rub, wouldn't you agree?

It's damned inconvenient and inconsiderate of her to not die of her own accord when so many seem to desire it.

Some may say that the feeding tube is no different from a ventilator. I differ - on obvious grounds. The fact that she is helpless, i.e. requiring food & water, but otherwise her body functions of its own accord, is precisely the same as any helpless human, such as the millions of babies who are cared for in our hospitals.

Certainly her "husband" should have no say. He abandoned her long ago and his influence and their marriage should have legally ended somewhere back then. That anyone, other than her parents, has anything to say about this both mystifies and appalls me.

Posted by .com 2005-03-22 7:24:26 PM|| 2005-03-22 7:24:26 PM|| Front Page Top

#19 If the Schiavo opponents (i.e. Want to cut off food/water) really feel there's no cognition, thought/feeelings etc., why don't they go in and shoot her in the head and get it over with? Their hesitance speaks volumes. I'm getting angry over this

Posted by Frank G 2005-03-22 7:39:42 PM|| 2005-03-22 7:39:42 PM|| Front Page Top

#20 Are you talking about the timing .com? Ones faster, ones slower but the end is the same, and yes Frank it does make for obvious analogy.

Posted by Shipman 2005-03-22 7:47:58 PM|| 2005-03-22 7:47:58 PM|| Front Page Top

#21 It's obvious that she is alive, and that with proper treatment she won't die anytime soon.

Unless someone gives me very very good reasons to think otherwise, for me this qualifies as killing a helpless person with the support of the courts, based on the "take my word for it" husband's idea that she would have wanted that.

Posted by True German Ally 2005-03-22 7:54:23 PM|| 2005-03-22 7:54:23 PM|| Front Page Top

#22 Yeah, TGA, that about sums it up.

Posted by Tom 2005-03-22 7:58:01 PM|| 2005-03-22 7:58:01 PM|| Front Page Top

#23 yep - and her "husband" doesn't qualify as such.

Posted by Frank G 2005-03-22 8:02:29 PM|| 2005-03-22 8:02:29 PM|| Front Page Top

#24 If she'd truly expressed a wish for death under her current circumstances, I'd expect her husband to personally honor her wishes, and take the consequences like a man. I'd do it for my family, and would expect my family to do it for me. As it is, her husband is a pitiful excuse for a husband, much less a man.

Posted by Asedwich 2005-03-22 8:55:32 PM|| 2005-03-22 8:55:32 PM|| Front Page Top

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