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2009-04-12 Africa Horn
Maersk Alabama reaches Kenya; pirate lifeboat drifts toward land
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Posted by Steve White 2009-04-12 00:00|| || Front Page|| [2 views ]  Top

#1 Galrahn at Information Dissemination has an interesting take on the Maersk Alabama story:

What if we support a government strong enough to remove piracy, but too weak to do anything about the terrorism cells? Piracy is what has the international community involved in the problems of Somalia right now, if that goes away, we are left with the bigger threat to our national interests and no one internationally to help.

Somalia is much to complicated for the comparisons some are making to Pakistan and Iraq. At least in those places, we know who we want to work with. The government of Somalia doesn't even have governing control over the regions involved in piracy, and the areas the government does control are where the terror groups have sanctuary.

I got creamed last year in the comments by my readers for suggesting the pirates could possibly be the most desirable group to work with in Somalia, but we should not quickly dismiss that possibility. I'd rather work with a capitalist criminal whose motivation is money than a religious terrorist who is more interested in ideology, but that is just me.

I'm not sure we know who we want to work with in Pak-land, but he's right about Somalia: there is literally no one to work with. Co-opt the pirates? Not likely. But it's an interesting thought that they're more desirable than Sheik Ahmed ...
Posted by Steve White 2009-04-12 01:09||   2009-04-12 01:09|| Front Page Top

#2 A longer piece from Galrahn about the problem here.
Posted by Steve White 2009-04-12 01:15||   2009-04-12 01:15|| Front Page Top

#3 Galrahn writes as if he went to an Ivy League school.
Posted by Nimble Spemble 2009-04-12 06:09||   2009-04-12 06:09|| Front Page Top

#4 Nimble,
Caroline speaks like someone who went to an Ivy League school - by definition (she did go to one.)
Posted by Glenmore">Glenmore  2009-04-12 08:24||   2009-04-12 08:24|| Front Page Top

#5 Caroline Kennedy that is.
Posted by Glenmore">Glenmore  2009-04-12 08:25||   2009-04-12 08:25|| Front Page Top

#6 Galrahn writes as if he learned something while he was at his Ivy League college.

Caroline speaks as though she duplicated Uncle Ted's courses.
Posted by Nimble Spemble 2009-04-12 09:09||   2009-04-12 09:09|| Front Page Top

#7 The Maersk Alabama was carrying food aid for the region. It is now delivered to port in Kenya. Where is it supposed to go from there? Staying in Kenya? Somalia? Sudan? Or Uganda/Congo/Central Africa?
Posted by Glenmore">Glenmore  2009-04-12 10:39||   2009-04-12 10:39|| Front Page Top

#8 Galrahn is a former Naval officer. I've followed his blog for a while. It's superb and I recommend it highly.
Posted by Steve White 2009-04-12 10:39||   2009-04-12 10:39|| Front Page Top

#9 Caroline speaks as though she duplicated Uncle Ted's courses.

Hope she got a better grade in swimming class.
Posted by SteveS 2009-04-12 11:23||   2009-04-12 11:23|| Front Page Top

#10 I think Galrahn has a point. I don't want to wake up tomorrow with an alliance with the islamic courts faction.
Posted by Thing From Snowy Mountain 2009-04-12 11:51||   2009-04-12 11:51|| Front Page Top

#11 Somalia is a failed state. There is no move afoot to try to make it a real state, with full responsibilities, etc etc.

Ya wanna adopt this place, too? You willing to sink billions that YOU DO NOT HAVE into this traditionally unruly place?

You do not make deals with pirates. You do what is necessary to personally hurt them so they leave you alone. If they and the people want to change, they know where to call, and you can work together.

Barring that, you make the price of messing with ocean commerce and shipping so high that they will leave you alone.

You do not pay the equivalent of protection money to some pirate a$$hole.
Posted by Alaska Paul 2009-04-12 12:31||   2009-04-12 12:31|| Front Page Top

#12 "#9 Caroline speaks as though she duplicated Uncle Ted's courses.

Hope she got a better grade in swimming class."

Teddy's swimming was just fine, Steve. It was his passenger who flunked.
Posted by Barbara Skolaut">Barbara Skolaut  2009-04-12 13:31||   2009-04-12 13:31|| Front Page Top

#13 Somalia is a failed state. There is no move afoot to try to make it a real state, with full responsibilities, etc etc.

Actually, there are several factions trying to make their little respective pieces of Somalia into real states.

And some of these factions are inimical to our interests.
Posted by Thing From Snowy Mountain 2009-04-12 18:09||   2009-04-12 18:09|| Front Page Top

#14 IIRC DRUDGEREPORT > PHILIPPS RESCUE [vee USN Seals] > PIRATES VOW REVENGE AGZ THE USA AND FRANCE.

Also IIRC, ala STRATEGYPAGE, the PYR-I-I-ITES + Radical Islam had warned Kenya's Govt. not to interefere wid their Gunmen [read, Pirate, etc. Activities]. IOW, KENYA + SOMALI PIRATE ENCLAVES > AKIN TO PORT ROYAL, TOBAGO, + OTHER PIRATE-CONTROLLED CITIES + LANDS IN HISTORY. The USA = BRITAIN-EUROS as per efforts to contain or destroy these pirate groups [Recall Captain Kidd, Henry Morgan,etal.].

THEY really Really REALLY R-E-A-L-L-Y REEEEAAAALLLLYYY RRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEE
EEEEEEEEELLLLLYYYY, D *** YOU, WANT THE BAMMER = OWG USSA/USR of Amerika TO INVADE AFRICA????
Posted by JosephMendiola 2009-04-12 20:18||   2009-04-12 20:18|| Front Page Top

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