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2013-04-22 Caucasus/Russia/Central Asia

Condolences and Statement of Akhmed Zakayev on Terror Act in Boston

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Posted by Besoeker 2013-04-22 02:41|| || Front Page|| [6 views ] Top
File under: Islamic Emirate of Caucasus

#1 Site is forbidden to me. Can someone summarize?

Posted by Glenmore 2013-04-22 08:12|| 2013-04-22 08:12|| Front Page Top

#2 Chechencenter (website)

The terrorist attacks, which took place during the Boston marathon, left three people, including a child, dead and scores of victims seriously injured and wounded. On behalf of the Chechen people, the CHRI (Chechen Republic of Ichkeria) Governmentin-Exile and on my own behalf I would like to express my sincere condolences to the families of those, who were killed, and wish the speediest recovery to the injured.

To our greatest regret, judging by the news coming from Boston, the suspects of this crime are ethnic Chechens, who had been resident in the USA. However, the Chechen people have never had and, indeed, have no reasons to have any feelings of hostility towards the United States of America and its citizens. The only people, who can gain from these attacks, are the top echelon of the Russian regime and their puppets in Chechnya, who pursue Moscow policy there while trampling upon the legitimate interests of the Chechen people.

We cannot rule out that some sources (groups?), who position themselves as supporters of the independence of the Caucasus, but have already exposed themselves as employees of the Russian special services, will take responsibility for the criminal action in Boston on themselves. This has happened before. We also cant rule out the Kremlins official statements, where yet another attempt will be made to depict the Chechen peoples fight for its national independence as international terrorism. Trying to pre-empt these provocative statements, we firmly declare that we do not accept terrorism as a method of fighting and a way of achieving political aims. We categorically condemn all terrorist attacks, no matter who initiated them. At the same time we denounce all the attempts based on the principle of collective responsibility to lay the blame for the crimes of individual Chechens upon the whole Chechen people.

Akhmed Zakaev
Prime Minister of the Chechen Republic of Ichkeria
London

19.04.2013

Posted by Besoeker 2013-04-22 08:32|| 2013-04-22 08:32|| Front Page Top

#3 Thanks. He makes a valid point that this attack makes no sense as a Chechen nationalist attack, and that it should not be an indictment of Chechens in general. But Chechens are often at least as motivated as Islamists, and as such are more than happy to attack America. Don't indict all Chechens, but at least be suspicious of them.

Posted by Glenmore 2013-04-22 09:02|| 2013-04-22 09:02|| Front Page Top

#4 There's been a fork in the Chechen situation since Basaev got his just reward. Zakhaev continues pushing the "Chechen Republic of Ichkeria," living in London. He can't seem to get all those pictures of himself wearing his Islamic headband off the internet and his appeal is, I think, pretty much only to lefties.

Doku "Count Doku" Umarov is pushing the Islamic Emirate of Caucasus, with his center of operations now in Dagestan and occasionally Ingushetia. He's openly allied with Qaeda, and it "his" Chechens who periodically turn up screaming "Jihad!" and blowing things up in other places where they have no business. I'd guess that's the strain Joker and Tamerlane were following.

Meanwhile, back at the remains of Grozny (which in Russian means "awful" or "terrible") Ramzan Kadirov seems to be making a go of his hereditary presidency, at least until one of his subjects blows him up like Papa got.

Chechens as a group (I understand from casual Russian commentary) have been noted for being crooks as well as their more recent incarnation as vicious terrorists. Never having dealt with them I can't say whether that's so or not.

Posted by Fred 2013-04-22 09:43|| 2013-04-22 09:43|| Front Page Top

#5 But Chechens are often at least as motivated as Islamists,

Glenmore, Chechens ARE often Islamists. See entry about "Count Doku" et. al.

Posted by AlanC 2013-04-22 09:49|| 2013-04-22 09:49|| Front Page Top

#6 That's what I meant to type (on 3 hours sleep), AlanC. That their Islamist motivation is at least as important as their nationalist motivation.

Posted by Glenmore 2013-04-22 11:46|| 2013-04-22 11:46|| Front Page Top

#7 FOAD, Akhmed.

We're not interested in your lies. We don't give a rat's ass about your independence. Putin warned us about your ilk but we should have known better than to let your people into our country even without his warning. As far as I'm concerned the Russians can do with you as they will.

Posted by Ebbang Uluque6305 2013-04-22 12:07|| 2013-04-22 12:07|| Front Page Top

#8 Ignore the North Caucasus at your own peril. We did that once in the 1990's. The Caucusus is one of the most important pieces of real estate, always has been, always will be. Putin loves guys like you Ebbang, he has been lobbying to make his little N.Caucusus problem (which catapulted him to fame) an American problem since he got Basaev added to the terror list in 2003. Anyone wonder why the Russians let Brother #1 back into Russia to wander around for 6 months AFTER they warned the FBI about him one or two years prior. You don't just fly into Moscow and head down to Grozny for a Jihadi workshop. Remember the Dghestani hard boys who "wandered" into Georgia last year for a little wine and a good time, then banged it out with the Georgians. No one knows where that came from. Why, with all the Muslims we have in this country, are a couple Chechens the actors? What likely percentage of the Jihadi pop. in the US do Chechens make up? These are pieces on the chessboard for the Caucusus. And with the Caucusus you get exclusive control of the only land route for gas and oil to...Europe. And if Russia pulls Europe's puppet strings, America is in deep doodoo. Some people still believe the Soviet Union (read Russian Empire) wasn't such a bad thing. Sounds like a conspiracy, but with a pro-Russian opposition drowning out Saakashvili's control of Georgia. A little Chechen problem for the US goes a long way in distancing us from the Caucusus, what with hitting the reset button and all.

Posted by jefe101 2013-04-22 14:06|| 2013-04-22 14:06|| Front Page Top

#9 Wrong. Obama made it my problem by letting those clowns into my country. Just like he lets all kinds of people into this country who seem to have difficulty, uh, what's the word??? Assimilating? I never had much sympathy for Chechens but whatever I may have had was lost at Breslan.

The only gas and oil route to Europe? Well, whose gas and oil is it? Russia's? Or a bunch of jihadis? Let's see...would I rather buy oil from Russians or Soddies? That's a tough one, really. But as backward as the Russians may be, at least they are not insane, fricking jihadis. Besides, I don't have a map in front of me at the moment but I think the Russians have traditionally gone into Europe via Poland and Germany.

Why are a couple of Chechens the actors? How about because they are crazy, fucking murderous barbarians? Or, how about this?

And if we hadn't been so uptight about Soviet troops in Afghanistan they might have taken care of bin Laden for us long before we ever even heard of him. I know it's easy to say that now and it wasn't so easy back then but I think it is surprising that nobody in the government, nobody, understood the threat from radical Islam even back in the 1970s. The Arab oil embargo of 1973 should have been some kind of a clue. Remember those gas lines? Odd days and even days? Just because we didn't want them killing Jews? I do.

I think if you study Russian history you'll find Russians have been having trouble with these people for centuries. Don't ask me who started it. Who knows and who cares? I just don't want them bringing it here.

Posted by Ebbang Uluque6305 2013-04-22 14:37|| 2013-04-22 14:37|| Front Page Top

#10

Why, with all the Muslims we have in this country, are a couple Chechens the actors?

Because for the last twelve years we've heard how the jihadis were looking for: a) US citizen or legal resident jihadis, and b) white-skinned jihadis.

Posted by Rob Crawford 2013-04-22 14:52|| 2013-04-22 14:52|| Front Page Top

#11 Ebbang. In many ways I agree with you. Please keep in mind I stated LAND ROUTE. Their currently is no reliable, high volume land route for gas and oil out of the ME.
My point is that this is not, and should not be looked at, as a Chechen issue. This is fundamentalist Islamic terrorism, and this type of terror has no nationality and needs a new perspective to combat it. A long time ago my FP prof was giving me the revisionist history of how Russia saw all this coming and that was why they invaded Afghanistan to begin with.
Food for thought would be that we subdued successfully all the native tribes in the USA and they assimilated peacefully into the population. This has not happened over a couple centuries in Russia, despite the tremendous brutality the Russians metted out on them. Take this cultural characteristic and combine it with those things that make Americans unique, and I do mean unique, and maybe what you get is these two. The drive and hatred and lack of humantiy to want to horribly kill innocent people and the ingenuity and intelligence to go it alone and get it done. This would make them loan actors and a new kind of operator, like a Mcveigh. If that is the case, then this is only the beginning. Far be it from me to defend Chechen's and their atrocities, but perspective is always a good thing when analyzing a seemingly unthinkable action or act.

Posted by jefe101 2013-04-22 14:59|| 2013-04-22 14:59|| Front Page Top

#12 Sorry, forgot to include this. What you know about Beslan is what the Russians want you to know about Beslan.
Russians controlled the info cycle from the go, leaking tons of false and half-factual info.
Truck the bad guys came in, Georgian plates out of S. Ossetia, known den of all kinds of illegalness maintained by Russia at the time to keep Georgia destabilized.
International Reporters refused entry into the area, some even arrested, drugged and held for days under interogation by Rusian FSB.
3 rings, first ring was Russian Spec ops, second ring was poorly trained conscripts, 3rd ring was all the armed locals waiting to get into the fight. after the Breach it was all in, no distinction between locals, terrorists, rumors of White Tights, chaos.
Russian Spec Ops breached the building, causing a wall and the roof of the decrspit building to collapse burning and crushing to death most inside.
Captors REFUSED to speek with negotiatiors in Chechen, even not understanding what was being said to them in Chechen at times
Seriously, N. Ossetians are gonna let Chechen hard boys bury their munitions for the operation in the floor of their school, seriously?
There's more, but if that doesn't raise an eyebrow, then nothing will.
Sorry, but Beslan gets my blood up. Their is a greater truth there and an atrocity that has gone unpunished.

Posted by jefe101 2013-04-22 15:17|| 2013-04-22 15:17|| Front Page Top

#13 The Turks, Caucasians, Cossacks and all whatnot meted out their fair share of brutality toward the Russians over the centuries. The Russians had a hell of a time with them. Russia was not always a super power and Russians were not always able to defend themselves against these attacks. The borders were poorly defined if they were defined at all. I don't know that it's all that different now. I do know that where ever there are Muslims there is strife and if there is strife between Russians and Muslims my tendency would be to let the Russians handle it as they see fit and I don't feel compelled to let Chechen refugees seek asylum in the United States.

As for Akhmed, he is not the first Arab/Muslim leader to denounce terrorism in English while promoting it in Arabic or Chechen or what ever. I am not convinced by his crocodile tears.

Posted by Ebbang Uluque6305 2013-04-22 16:26|| 2013-04-22 16:26|| Front Page Top

#14 For an older take on Russian problems with the Caucasions look up the doings of a guy named Tamerlane........now where have I heard that name recently?

Posted by AlanC 2013-04-22 17:13|| 2013-04-22 17:13|| Front Page Top

#15 Tamerlane was of turkish/ central asian origin.
Russia's problems with Turks is an extension of the Russian empires expansion into the Caucasus en part. Cossacks are Russian merc's tasked with help subduing caucasian groups. You realize Russia has ethnically cleansed at least one N. Caucasian group out of existance. Why choose, both Russia under Putin and Islamic terrorists are enemies of America.

Posted by Jefe101 2013-04-22 17:57|| 2013-04-22 17:57|| Front Page Top

#16 Or Ottoman expansion into Caucasus...it went both ways, you know. How do you think those people became Muslim? Missionaries?

Russians will always be looking out for Russian interests that will not always coincide with our interests and they have been known to be expansionist. But in many cases they expanded into the territory of people who invaded Russia. Germany comes to mind. Sure, they sat on Eastern Europe for several decades but if you'd been invaded first by Napoleon and second by Hitler you might want bit of a buffer zone yourself. Russians are paranoid but they have a lot of good reasons to be. If I had a neighbor like Akhmed I'd be paranoid too.

Posted by Ebbang Uluque6305 2013-04-22 18:49|| 2013-04-22 18:49|| Front Page Top

#17 EU, always remember just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're NOT out to get you.

Posted by AlanC 2013-04-22 19:25|| 2013-04-22 19:25|| Front Page Top

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