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2006-05-03 Home Front: Culture Wars
Why We Haven't Met Any Aliens
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Posted by anonymous5089 2006-05-03 05:23|| || Front Page|| [5 views since 2007-05-07]  Top

#1 Us primates do like to hit that lever. Wheeee!
Posted by 6 2006-05-03 07:52||   2006-05-03 07:52|| Front Page Top

#2 Why haven't we met any aliens ?
Because as humanoids develope, they become less material and more spiritual, so the only ones we would be capable of interacting with are stuck on their own planets, like us. The more advanced are such that we are disoriented and crap in our pants in their presents, and can't remember the encounter. The aliens have little use for this sort of interaction, so they keep to themselves, ever observant. And, at best, we see lights in the sky.
Posted by wxjames 2006-05-03 08:00||   2006-05-03 08:00|| Front Page Top

#3 
Heritable variation in personality might allow some lineages to resist the Great Temptation and last longer. Some individuals and families may start with an "irrational" Luddite abhorrence of entertainment technology, and they may evolve ever more self-control, conscientiousness and pragmatism. They will evolve a horror of virtual entertainment, psychoactive drugs and contraception. They will stress the values of hard work, delayed gratifica tion, child-rearing and environmental stewardship. They will combine the family values of the religious right with the sustainability values of the Greenpeace left. Their concerns about the Game of Life will baffle the political pollsters who only understand the rhetoric of status and power, individual and society, rights and duties, good and evil, us and them.


Virtue theft! All of the cited virtues, with the exception of sustainability, just happen to be values of political and religious conservatives. And like every socialist fuckass lefty who sees a viable cause or concern, he leaps upon it, tries to take it over like the human virus he is, modify it to suit himself, then claim credit for the success of the host, and hoping nobody notices that the host would be more successful without him as a leeching parasite.

This, too, may be happening already. Christian and Muslim fundamentalists and anti-consumerism activists already understand exactly what the Great Temptation is, and how to avoid it. They insulate themselves from our creative-class dreamworlds and our EverQuest economics. They wait patiently for our fitness-faking narcissism to go extinct. Those practical-minded breeders will inherit the Earth as like-minded aliens may have inherited a few other planets. When they finally achieve contact, it will not be a meeting of novel-readers and game-players. It will be a meeting of dead-serious super-parents who congratulate each other on surviving not just the Bomb, but the Xbox.


The vast majority of "anti-consumerism activists" are lefties that are documented as not reproducing at as high a rate. Left alone, Muzzies won't make it to the Moon, much less the stars. And the last time I looked, you didn't need to believe in evolution to build star drives.
Posted by Ptah">Ptah  2006-05-03 08:14|| http://www.crusaderwarcollege.org]">[http://www.crusaderwarcollege.org]  2006-05-03 08:14|| Front Page Top

#4 To start with, the closest star to Sol is 4 light years away. The closest inhabitable star system might be 400 light years away.

Then look at our own planets evolution compared to those other planets. Our world didn't begin with the Big Bang. The universe had been around for a long time before Earth formed, about 12.5 billion years; Earth is only 4-5 billion years old.

Of that 4-5 billion years, we have been sending strong signals into space for about 80 years.

Even if we regularly picked up intelligent transmissions from space, then what? Certainly we would send powerful messages their way, that would take over 400 years to arrive. If we sent a probe, it might take 8000 years at high speed.

The only alternative would be if we were to build a vessel that could relatively go much faster than the speed of light. This could mean temporarily converting it to tachyons and back to normal matter--improbable; or bending space so that the shortest distance between points isn't a straight line.

And we would have to do it, because the aliens wouldn't even know we existed.
Posted by Anonymoose 2006-05-03 10:48||   2006-05-03 10:48|| Front Page Top

#5 Take, for example, the MIT graduates who apply to do computer game design for Electronics Arts, rather than rocket science for NASA.

There are a bunch of obvious reasons for the above.
NASA's failure to move forward. The country's failure to get excited about the possibilities. The religious fanatacism that seems to render science into heresy or something.
Plus you can ake money at EA.

Of course EVERYBODY is going to be far away.
Just like us they have probably reduced their outward radio signal.
The point is , you are not going to achieve FTL travel from a standing start. It must be incremental with an infrastructure and public support.
Meantime we havve NO space station (to speak of) NO moon or Mars encampments, No new propulsion systems on line etc.
The first travelers will have to be hardy beleivers who can stand the concept of committting GENERAtions to their trip.
It's been done before .
People rode conestoga wagons into the wilderness committing their children to a life of hard work and isolation, till civilization caught up to them. They were known as PIONEEERS.


I mostly agree wxjames.
Posted by jim#6 2006-05-03 11:02||   2006-05-03 11:02|| Front Page Top

#6 We haven't met any aliens because gas prices on their planet are out of this world!
Posted by SteveS 2006-05-03 11:54||   2006-05-03 11:54|| Front Page Top

#7 Why do we avoid the obvious answer? There are no aliens folks.
Posted by Iblis">Iblis  2006-05-03 12:13||   2006-05-03 12:13|| Front Page Top

#8 You are funny.
There are no aliens.
Consider for a moment the sheer diversity of life on our planet.
The incredibly unfriendly places in which new or previously unknown sppecies are found, from geothermal vents at the bottom of the deepest oceans to deep underneath mile-thick Ice in truly hostile surroundings. Life flourishes.
Ignore the rest of the universe and our own GAlaxy is big enough to assume lots of life.
Only through some kind of Species-ego or ignorance could one reach the conclusion that our planet with it's multitudes of living things would be the only life-harboring palce in the entire cosmos.
Posted by jim#6 2006-05-03 12:40||   2006-05-03 12:40|| Front Page Top

#9 Iblis, also buy a DVD on crop circles. If that doesn't wake up your brain, then you may be a candidate for Islam.
Posted by wxjames 2006-05-03 12:54||   2006-05-03 12:54|| Front Page Top

#10 Human understanding of the universe is limited. As a technological society advances, its understanding of reality leads to new technologies that allow the society to leave the known universe. (Could be travel into specially created universes or could be going extremely small.) Rather than self-exterminating, E.T.’s just move to a better neighborhood. Instead of spreading across the visible universe, civilizations pop up, spread a little, and then disappear.
Posted by Slaviling Glomong9311 2006-05-03 13:42||   2006-05-03 13:42|| Front Page Top

#11 #9 Agreed with you until you mentioned crop circles--you might as well have mentioned the National Enquirer as proof of aliens.
Posted by sludge 2006-05-03 14:24||   2006-05-03 14:24|| Front Page Top

#12 Really.

http://hubblesite.org/newscenter/newsdesk/archive/releases/1992/17/image/a

or

http://www.curiousnotions.com/mars/mars_plants.html


Plenty of interesting stuff out there.
Posted by jim#6 2006-05-03 14:46||   2006-05-03 14:46|| Front Page Top

#13 Cause they think we're boring?
Or, disgusting, ethics-wise, perverts: imagine feeling obliged to repay ill with good.
Posted by gromgoru 2006-05-03 14:53||   2006-05-03 14:53|| Front Page Top

#14 Maybe they think (know) that we are still monkeys in pants.
Posted by jim#6 2006-05-03 15:10||   2006-05-03 15:10|| Front Page Top

#15 sludge, please elaborate.

Oh yeah, that's it. Crop circles are made by 2 old farmers.
Why ? At what expense ?
Posted by wxjames 2006-05-03 15:24||   2006-05-03 15:24|| Front Page Top

#16 Maybe interstellar travel (in a meaningful way) really is impossible...
Posted by Mark E. 2006-05-03 15:40||   2006-05-03 15:40|| Front Page Top

#17 wxjames, so if it's not two old farmers, then it is aliens, eh? There are only two possibilities?

So enlighten me please... why exactly do aliens like to spend their time making shapes in cropfields?
Posted by sludge 2006-05-03 15:48||   2006-05-03 15:48|| Front Page Top

#18 Has anyone considered that you people bore me. . . ? Just askin'
Posted by GORT 2006-05-03 16:07||   2006-05-03 16:07|| Front Page Top

#19 Your live on the Wildcard Line...
Posted by George Norry 2006-05-03 16:10|| www.coasttocoastam.com/]">[www.coasttocoastam.com/]  2006-05-03 16:10|| Front Page Top

#20 I have an open mind. Show me an alien and I'll admit I'm wrong. Until then it's a lot of conjecture - with varying degrees of pomposity.
Posted by Iblis">Iblis  2006-05-03 16:53||   2006-05-03 16:53|| Front Page Top

#21 What about the Igloo? There's no way human intelligence could learn to make a perfect dome. All the proof I need that and crop circles of course.
Posted by 6 2006-05-03 17:31||   2006-05-03 17:31|| Front Page Top

#22 Because you taste like shait, have really bad manners, and smell funny.
Posted by Allen the Alien 2006-05-03 17:32||   2006-05-03 17:32|| Front Page Top

#23 I am impressed that aliens would make the incredible effort to come all this way to make pretty curliques for us. Really.
Posted by Glenter Glomolet4689 2006-05-03 17:47||   2006-05-03 17:47|| Front Page Top

#24 one wonders what else you think you know all the angles on.
Posted by jim#6 2006-05-03 18:03||   2006-05-03 18:03|| Front Page Top

#25 Them: "Hello?"
(4 century delay)
Us: "Hello! 2+2=4!"
(4 century delay)
Them: Click.
Posted by Darrell 2006-05-03 20:53||   2006-05-03 20:53|| Front Page Top

#26 I'm sorry that your imagination has failed so poorly. I hope that you do not run into any problems that require you to think about them.
Posted by jim#6 2006-05-03 21:03||   2006-05-03 21:03|| Front Page Top

#27 In all my pomposity I offer:
http://www.sil.si.edu/silpublications/dibner-library-lectures/extraterrestrial-life/etcopy-kr.htm
Posted by jim#6 2006-05-03 21:04||   2006-05-03 21:04|| Front Page Top

#28 " I am impressed that aliens would make the incredible effort to come all this way to make pretty curliques for us. Really."

Maybe they came to see the dinosaurs and are dissapointed, and leaving graffiti.
Posted by jim#6 2006-05-03 21:05||   2006-05-03 21:05|| Front Page Top

#29 Maybe they've been watching TV's and movies out of Hollywood and determined there is NO intelligent life down here. Can't blame them if they did...
Posted by Desert Blondie 2006-05-03 21:10|| http://azjetsetchick.blogspot.com]">[http://azjetsetchick.blogspot.com]  2006-05-03 21:10|| Front Page Top

#30 Intelligent extraterrestrial life contacting us now is highly improbable, even if it does exist.

Figure they have to be within 80 or so light years to have heard our signal, have the ability to decode and understand our signal (not eveyone will be communicative little primare descendants - our morphology hihgly shapes our culture), and then travel the speed of light to get here.

On top of that, you have to figure the probability of having just such a civilization at this stage of developemtn, having not annhilitaed itself, and its star system being viable, etc (i.e. precursors for development of the abilities above).

Very highly improbable that any sort of meaningful estraterrestrial contact will occur within the next few generations, if at all.

Personally, we need to get off this rock because its a survival imperative to do so - that and being challeneged is the lifeblood of humanity, unlike the leftist/fascist part of it who wants a nanny state to protect them against all challenges. Humans explore and are wonderfully resilient if they are not pushed to depend on amorphous things like the government.
Posted by Oldspook 2006-05-03 21:31||   2006-05-03 21:31|| Front Page Top

#31 What OldSpook said. Let's take care that our species survives, gets at least some of its eggs out of the single basket that is our Earth, and let ET worry about itself should our paths intersect... if it happens. Like believing or not believing in God, our belief does not change whether or not God exists; nor does either belief/nonbelief or God's existence/nonexistence change the core rules by which an ethical life is lived. And if ETs have been visiting, and have been torturing gullible souls, let them look to their own protection when we catch up with them, because I certainly wouldn't put money down on such winning, even if their technology might be more advanced at the moment.
Posted by trailing wife 2006-05-03 22:01||   2006-05-03 22:01|| Front Page Top

#32 they call them "undocumented", not aliens....surely you've seen them at the Home Depot
Posted by Frank G">Frank G  2006-05-03 22:06||   2006-05-03 22:06|| Front Page Top

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