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2004-06-22 Europe

Turkey sent to the back of the line... again

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Posted by Laurence of the Rats 2004-06-22 11:55:23 AM|| || Front Page|| [1 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 murat - another opportunity to say HAHAHAHA...turkey should of known they could not count on the EU....kinda backed yourself in the corner in a very dangerous part of the world (and do not try and say Bush made it that way - been that way for years - decades)..once again HAHAHA

Posted by Dan 2004-06-22 12:19:53 PM|| 2004-06-22 12:19:53 PM|| Front Page Top

#2 BigEd needs to repost Nelson Muntz

Posted by Frank G 2004-06-22 12:24:17 PM|| 2004-06-22 12:24:17 PM|| Front Page Top

#3 This is of course a blow to Turkey..

Reminds me of the hapless dweeb in school that, even after numerous previous instances, will still look down when you point to a spot on his shirt, only to get a finger rubbed upward across his face as a joke.

Posted by Bomb-a-rama 2004-06-22 1:03:25 PM|| 2004-06-22 1:03:25 PM|| Front Page Top

#4 France and Germany have been very clear about their opposition to Turkish entrance to the EU.

Perhaps Turkey will be invited in after Islam takes over Eurabia.

Posted by yank 2004-06-22 1:12:44 PM|| [politicaljunky.blogspot.com] 2004-06-22 1:12:44 PM|| Front Page Top

#5 At Turkey is still great friends with the US... oh, right.

Posted by Laurence of the Rats 2004-06-22 1:35:24 PM|| [http://www.punictreachery.com/] 2004-06-22 1:35:24 PM|| Front Page Top

#6 Turkey's been improving but it's not ready for the EU yet.

And the EU is not ready for Turkey, for that matter. Even if you let aside its large and growing population, the problems with Cyprus and so forth, and the human rights issues, I'm not so sure we want to have common borders with Iraq, Syria and Iran as yet.

Croatia is a much less problematic candidate all around.

Posted by Aris Katsaris 2004-06-22 2:44:00 PM|| 2004-06-22 2:44:00 PM|| Front Page Top

#7 Turkey should have given up long ago and worked on their own middle-eastern empire. If they'd sided with the US they could easily have taken over Syria and played the majority role in the Iraqi occupation . Turkey could have been a player again, instead they simply want to hitch their wagon to the EU and let them do all the thinking and hard work.

Posted by yank 2004-06-22 3:21:00 PM|| [politicaljunky.blogspot.com] 2004-06-22 3:21:00 PM|| Front Page Top

#8 Erdogan to Chirac and Schroeder

If I let you screw me again, then can I be your friend?

Posted by B 2004-06-22 3:23:24 PM|| 2004-06-22 3:23:24 PM|| Front Page Top

#9 You know, Aris, the last external genocidal war the Turks were involved in was the Cyprus embarrassment. The Croats were ethnically-cleansing Serbs and Muslims as recently as nine years ago. The only reason they're not doing it right now is that they managed to clean the Serbs out of their controlled territory, root and branch.

Apparently the EU is for nations which are smug in their genocidal success. Nations which have repeatedly failed to finish off their minorities are clearly too racially inferior for the European Union.

Posted by Mitch H. 2004-06-22 4:13:53 PM|| [http://blogfonte.blogspot.com/] 2004-06-22 4:13:53 PM|| Front Page Top

#10 oh jeez, you countered Aris!, Here comes another 80 comment thread.....

Posted by Frank G 2004-06-22 4:18:45 PM|| 2004-06-22 4:18:45 PM|| Front Page Top

#11 Mitch>

And Greece had been a dictatorship that attempted the military takeover of Cyprus (and I assure you that *would* have been followed up by an ethnic cleansing of the Turkish Cypriots there) only SIX years before it became part of the EU.

Given that Croatia will at soonest become a member state on 2007, that'll be a gap of 12 years, double the gap that was given for Greece. Am I right?

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Also:

Freedomhouse labels Croatia as "Free" at 2/2

http://www.freedomhouse.org/research/freeworld/2003/countryratings/croatia.htm

even as it labels Turkey as "Partially Free" at 3/4

http://www.freedomhouse.org/research/freeworld/2003/countryratings/turkey.htm

The lower the ratings the better.

From the same Freedom House, Press Freedom is rated at 33 in Croatia, at 55 in Turkey. (ratings of 2003, I believe) Again the lower the better.
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So, yeah, I think you'll find EU caring about the modern-day status of countries more than they care about whether they have crimes in their recent or distant past.

If it makes you any feel better, cooperation at handing over all war criminals to the international court is essential in moving Croat-EU relations forward.

Posted by Aris Katsaris 2004-06-22 4:41:38 PM|| 2004-06-22 4:41:38 PM|| Front Page Top

#12 Also note Mitchell's fine distinction of "external genocide" versus I suppose "internal genocides" which are probably okay by him.

Posted by Aris Katsaris 2004-06-22 4:49:54 PM|| 2004-06-22 4:49:54 PM|| Front Page Top

#13 Aris, that last comment is uncalled for. You posted that out of spite over the fact your comment was questioned.

Posted by Charles 2004-06-22 8:53:42 PM|| 2004-06-22 8:53:42 PM|| Front Page Top

#14 No, I posted that out of spite over the fact that he said: "Apparently the EU is for nations which are smug in their genocidal success. Nations which have repeatedly failed to finish off their minorities are clearly too racially inferior for the European Union."

Posted by Aris Katsaris 2004-06-22 9:35:26 PM|| 2004-06-22 9:35:26 PM|| Front Page Top

#15 You gotta admit though, Turkey does now look like a...well, turkey. So was it worth it, bending over for Chiraq??? I hope he used a condom at least. Suckers.

Posted by Rafael 2004-06-22 9:47:31 PM|| 2004-06-22 9:47:31 PM|| Front Page Top

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