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2006-08-03 Britain

A little democracy is a dangerous thing - so let's have more of it

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Posted by ryuge 2006-08-03 08:32|| || Front Page|| [3 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 The Donks don't support democracy in America [i.e. Washington State, East St. Louis, etc], so why would you expect them to support democracy elsewhere. Its like the old Soviet title for People's Democratic Republic of ..., which was never democratic or republican. The Donks only want power to rule.

Posted by Shong Sheager8147 2006-08-03 09:44|| 2006-08-03 09:44|| Front Page Top

#2 Thanks to Swiss Police we now know that what is going on is the implementation of an Islamic 14 page plan cooked up by the Muslim Brotherhood 23 years ago and called 'The Project'. Hamas and Hezbolla and Al Quada are no accident but a well financed conspiracy to effect Islamic Globization. This is a war no different than fighting the Nazis in world war 2. Iran controls Syria economically but lets Al Quada go through Syria to aid the Insurgency. Hezbolla trains Sadr's army. Al Quada trains at Hezbolla camps in Lebanon. They all work together just as outlined in 'The Project' and verified by witness testimony. The author above should do some homework. Democracies do not work in nations with terror intimidated populations. Remove the terror. Then Vote.

Posted by Snoluse Elmutle3425 2006-08-03 11:17|| 2006-08-03 11:17|| Front Page Top

#3 http://dailyablution.blogs.com/the_daily_ablution/2006/08/a_challenge_to_.html

Posted by Bright Pebbles 2006-08-03 11:53|| 2006-08-03 11:53|| Front Page Top

#4 "Learn from experience that well-defined borders, the rule of law and independent media are as important as an election - and may need to precede it."

Seems to me, until free and fair elections are established the other virtues of Democracy such as the rule of law and an independent judiciary are unlikely to follow. And depending on who is elected those virtues still may never be obtained. (ie. HAMAS) I dont know.maybe my chicken and egg meter isnt working.

Posted by DepotGuy 2006-08-03 12:58|| 2006-08-03 12:58|| Front Page Top

#5 1. Mr. Ash is British I believe, not an American Democrat.

2. He is incorrect in stating that support for democracy requires agreeing to what a democratic govt asks for in foreign policy

3. Given that the govt of Lebanon doesnt control half the country, its not clear its meaningful (yet) to call Lebanon a democracy. One would think those lefties who call the elected govt a "puppet" would at least acknowledge the way Hezbollah force acts as a limit on what the govt of Lebanon can say.

3. Advocating armed struggle != terrorism

Posted by liberalhawk 2006-08-03 13:37|| 2006-08-03 13:37|| Front Page Top

#6 I agree LH. Ash fails to recognize that when a sovereign nation (Israel in this case) is attacked by an organization within another nation (democratic or otherwise) it doesn't really matter how that particular organization got elected or if the gov't/country it belongs to is democratic. The right to self defense is inherent.

Case in point, if a political group within the Mexico were firing rockets into San Antonio or whatever we would be cutting up big swaths of mexican territory and fixing the problem asap. I also highly doubt we'd listen to anyone trying to tell us to use "restraint" when American civilians are being killed by rocket fire from terrorist used civilian neighborhoods across the border.

Posted by Broadhead6 2006-08-03 14:39|| 2006-08-03 14:39|| Front Page Top

#7 "if a political group within the Mexico were firing rockets into San Antonio or whatever we would be cutting up big swaths of mexican territory and fixing the problem asap."

Hey, just tell them to make sure not to aim for the Northwest side. I just got my roof replaced.

Posted by mcsegeek1 2006-08-03 15:07|| 2006-08-03 15:07|| Front Page Top

#8 What we in the community of established liberal democracies should do is not abandon the pursuit of democratisation but refine it. Recognise that only in exceptional circumstances (such as postwar Germany and Japan) do democracies grow from under military occupation, and that the purpose of building democracy does not justify military intervention.

What an idiot: we first BEAT THE CRAP out of them, occupied them in force, got rid of any cultural characteristics incompatible with Liberal Democracy, and then built them up in OUR image. BOTH of those nations now get the hives even THINKING about giving their "armies" REAL teeth and permission to use it in worthy projects.

Being pathological means obsessively repeating the same actions, but expecting a different outcome. Perhaps we haven't succeeded in nation building because we haven't done what's actually WORKED.

Posted by Ptah">Ptah 2006-08-03 20:43|| http://www.crusaderwarcollege.org]">[http://www.crusaderwarcollege.org] 2006-08-03 20:43|| Front Page Top

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