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2005-09-11 Britain

WHAT THE BRITISH ARE READING ABOUT US THIS TODAY (fantastic lies and hate-speech)

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Posted by Atomic Conspiracy 2005-09-11 01:30|| || Front Page|| [8 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 I have some questions for the British print media:

When does Jeremy Clarkson's child-molestation trial begin?

How much does Charlotte Raven charge for ****, ****/****** and a full-service blowjob? Is it more if you're not an Arab?

Is it true that John Pilger was Uday Hussein's biological father?

Which RAF squadrons were involved in the carpet-bombing of Protestant protestors in Northern Ireland today?

What are y'all doing for electrical repairs these days?

Posted by Atomic Conspiracy 2005-09-11 01:54|| http://www.nuclearspace.com]">[http://www.nuclearspace.com] 2005-09-11 01:54|| Front Page Top

#2 Just in!
Bitch slap Jeremy Clarkson!

Posted by Atomic Conspiracy 2005-09-11 01:58|| http://www.nuclearspace.com]">[http://www.nuclearspace.com] 2005-09-11 01:58|| Front Page Top

#3 No offense, but who gives a flying f*ck about what some asshole in the UK says?

Why wallow in the sewer with turds? I own a business and we do considerable business in the UK, go there often. The many folks I come in contact with don't buy this jibe.

Posted by Captain America 2005-09-11 02:33|| 2005-09-11 02:33|| Front Page Top

#4 Hey folks. Jeremy Clarkson is a guy who hosts a shows about automobiles in the UK. He styles himself as an anti-PC guy who likes beer and cigarettes and driving fast cars. Americans are a pet hate of his because (i) he thinks you invented political correctness (ii) he thinks you are obsessed about appearance and diet (as if you are all from LA), while priding himself on being a slob. He knows fuck all about politics and likes to shoot off his mouth to get attention. To demonstrate how seriously you should take his article, he once did a show where he got a USAF pilot to take him up in an F-15 and let him fly it for about 30 seconds. He was totally drooling about the raw power and speed of the machine and boasted that he only threw up twice. His article in the Sun was pure toilet paper.

Posted by Homer from London 2005-09-11 03:13|| 2005-09-11 03:13|| Front Page Top

#5 Homer has it spot on regarding Clarkson - I saw that episode where he went up in an F-15. He was virtually coming in his pants before he got in the thing, babbling on about how powerful it was. Afterwards, he collapsed on the tarmac and looked like a lettuce.

They didn't show the USAF pilot - perhaps because he was pissing himself laughing at Clarkson.

Posted by Tony (UK) 2005-09-11 04:28|| 2005-09-11 04:28|| Front Page Top

#6 He is the unfunny dick head from Top Gear. He doesnt even know much about cars.

Posted by Shistos Shistadogloo 2005-09-11 04:54|| 2005-09-11 04:54|| Front Page Top

#7 Master Shake has more class. Ignore this asstard.

Posted by Sock Puppet OÂ´ Doom 2005-09-11 06:26|| 2005-09-11 06:26|| Front Page Top

#8 The moron from top gear writes articles?

Posted by john 2005-09-11 07:32|| 2005-09-11 07:32|| Front Page Top

#9 #4 Homer from London has got it right. For US readers, think PJ O'Rourke or Tom Wolfe, but not as good.

Here's what he has to say about Fishing in the Sunday Times today.
Itâs a very fishy world, angling

As for the Sun, as Fletch said to Lenny in Porridge, "Get me The Sun. And get me something to read."

Chill out. There's many more things in this world to be riled about before you reach Jeremy Clarkson.

Posted by John French, London, UK 2005-09-11 09:29|| 2005-09-11 09:29|| Front Page Top

#10 I thought the only reason people read the Sun was for Page Three.

Posted by john">john 2005-09-11 09:34|| 2005-09-11 09:34|| Front Page Top

#11 Excuse me, people. "Chill out, it's nothing to worry about" doesn't wash. If this slob didn't have a following, and some kind of influence, he would not be a public personality and the Sun would not print his idiocy.

One of the reasons I am glad I left the UK is the unfortunate tendency of British people to dismiss or minimize scurrilous abuse that would provoke violence if it were directed at them personally. You know this is true, Brits. Excuse us if we can't be persuaded to reward the bullies of the world by just smiling, dismissing it as insignificant and passively taking it.

Posted by Atomic Conspiracy 2005-09-11 09:41|| http://www.nuclearspace.com]">[http://www.nuclearspace.com] 2005-09-11 09:41|| Front Page Top

#12 Next response: "thin-skinned" "can't take joke" blah, blah, the usual response when verbal bullies find themselves confronted, as though failing to tolerate their abuse were a weakness, rather than the other way 'round.

Posted by Atomic Conspiracy 2005-09-11 09:48|| http://www.nuclearspace.com]">[http://www.nuclearspace.com] 2005-09-11 09:48|| Front Page Top

#13 Now let's not be lecturing our Brit friends. After all, we have Michael Moore here.

Posted by Darrell 2005-09-11 09:49|| 2005-09-11 09:49|| Front Page Top

#14 Darrell, Michael Moore and Jeremy Clarkson are cut from the same broad cloth and have largely the same view of Americans, though specifics vary and Clarkson is probably more honest about his bigotry.
Not many of us would advise foreigners to simply ignore or dismiss Moore if he suddenly started directing his poison toward them, unlikely as it might be that he would do so.

Posted by Atomic Conspiracy 2005-09-11 09:56|| http://www.nuclearspace.com]">[http://www.nuclearspace.com] 2005-09-11 09:56|| Front Page Top

#15 It might actually be funny to write a satire in which Michael Moore starts heaping his scorn on a foreign country; say Mexico or the UK. This would highlight the double-standard with which anti-American bigotry is met all over the world.

Posted by Atomic Conspiracy 2005-09-11 10:00|| http://www.nuclearspace.com]">[http://www.nuclearspace.com] 2005-09-11 10:00|| Front Page Top

#16 Welcome to the club.

Posted by gromgoru 2005-09-11 10:06|| 2005-09-11 10:06|| Front Page Top

#17 AC good points but I don't get riled by the LLL British press ot the LLL U.S. press any more. There are damn few that can honestly be called objective. OTH I LOVE that bitch slap website! Too bad they don't have Nancy Polosi, Hillary, or Howard Dean.

Posted by Cyber Sarge">Cyber Sarge 2005-09-11 10:15|| 2005-09-11 10:15|| Front Page Top

#18 I love your idea about a spoof movie on Michael Moore, AC.

And I'm with you in your concern over the aniti-American message being lapped up over there. What I see and hear from England makes me realize that even our closest ally in the world is developing a bit of a coliseum appetite-only seeing Americans pay a price for something and suffer for something-real or imagined-quenches their thirst.

Posted by jules 2 2005-09-11 13:13|| 2005-09-11 13:13|| Front Page Top

#19 I love your idea about a spoof movie on Michael Moore, AC.

And I'm with you in your concern over the aniti-American message being lapped up over there. What I see and hear from England makes me realize that even our closest ally in the world is developing a bit of a coliseum appetite-only seeing Americans pay a price for something and suffer for something-real or imagined-quenches their thirst.

Posted by jules 2 2005-09-11 13:14|| 2005-09-11 13:14|| Front Page Top

#20 Jules 2 - whilst I agree that there is some anti-Americanism in this country, I don't think it's as bad as you're making out.

As this is an anniversary of an event that we're all united on - I'll take the opportunity to say something I've noticed over the last four years. It's perhaps something that should be obvious, but it wasn't to me, at least not until I had a chance to look at things from a different perspective.

There are people that are Anti-American *wherever* they happen to be living on the planet. Micheal Moore, George Galloway, that sick Frenchman who said 9/11 was a total hoax, numerous people in the middle-east, Europe and Asia. Point is, that when Chirac said "we are all Americans now", perhaps he was being trite, certainly he was being politic, but whether he meant to or not, he was saying something that was resonates with people.

To me, it's the *concept* of America - freedom, liberty, the constitution, bill of rights and yes, capitalism, that is the core. These things turn a lot of people off - because it means they need to take responsibilty for their own actions. It also means they're not happy when others take responsibility when it's needed - as America has done many times.

Since 9/11 I've interacted with dozens, maybe hundreds of people on boards like this, and have come to some conclusions; basically folks that live in the US *do* have an advantage - the US system of government is alien to many many places around the world, and it is designed to limit the amount of power that central government has. But many people want that American ideal, even if they're not in the US.

And so, basically you're going to find people that hate America, or the *concept* of America, in *every* country in the world - *including* the US. So, bear that in mind the next time you read a story about the British, Italians, French, Ozzys and Canucks that hate America - it won't be the whole country, it most likely will be a small percentage from a selected audience.

Sorry all, a bit woffly - but just trying to put a point across..

Posted by Tony (UK) 2005-09-11 15:45|| 2005-09-11 15:45|| Front Page Top

#21 Hi, Tony.

Respectfully, I disagree with the opinion you expressed. That's just not how it appears from over here. Since 9/11, we have heard from ordinary people speaking as members of the infamous "international community", speaking against 9/11, but most of the time, immediately following that public denunciation of a terrorist act of war with the inveitable "buts": "but with your foreign policy, you asked for it", "but with your being more powerful or richer than country X, it is understandable how Americans are killed" or "we are justified in seeing you get attacked or be aggressed". To listen to BBC radio or any of the other eagerly and gullibly swallowed international broadcasts, Americans weren't supposed to be shocked or outraged by the attacks on
9/11-the idea's essence is that we deserved the attacks because apparently, 'malicious and imperialist America' has done equally heinous acts and somehow this horrific act brings justice.

If I get your argument right, Tony, is it basically "you've got to understand-people are envious"?

Posted by jules 2 2005-09-11 16:19|| 2005-09-11 16:19|| Front Page Top

#22 Postnote-
After 7/7, seemingly for the first time since 9/11, we began to hear the utterance "there is never justification for terror" coming from the mouths of Brits. And we are thankful that some Brits have begun to see things that way.

Posted by jules 2 2005-09-11 16:34|| 2005-09-11 16:34|| Front Page Top

#23 This is very mild in comparisopn to much of what is out there. The hurricane allows him a moment to feel superior. So what. I will save my bile for something and someone more substantial. The only part I take offense is where Jeremy says the military is strafing people with helicopter gunships. He's been watched "The Running Man" too many times and has problems sorting fact from fiction. The final thing I have to say is "Wanker." and walk on.

Posted by ed 2005-09-11 16:58|| 2005-09-11 16:58|| Front Page Top

#24 Jules - couple of things. *Please* take what the BBC says with a grain of salt, it is quite simply, *not* the institution it used to be. Example A: I met with some people from the BBC that were interested in some software/systems we had - we got to chatting, and I mentioned in passing about the bias I saw in the BBC, the woman straight out said "well, there aren't that many people who you would call right-wingers in the BBC". Example B: talking head babbling on about the price of fuel (I paraphrase) "the fuel price increases, first brought in by the conservative government [that was at least 8 years ago], and continued by labour to support the environment". It's continuous, insidious and blatent. The BBC is a constant source of embarrasment to me, and many other people in this country - particularly as its bias is so obvious and we *have* to pay 120 pounds a year to it if we have a TV. As for the Sun, it's truly a law unto itself (and Rupert Murdoch), I haven't bought a copy in maybe 20 years.

As to your second point: "you've got to understand-people are envious" - I guess my comment can be read that way, but only broadly. That is, you're going to find people *in every country, including the US* that are envious of America, but you're also going to find a lot of people who are very glad America is there, who think that the ideal of America is worthwhile and are great friends of America.

As for having to understand people who are envious of the US, I'd not go that far - I pity them and try to ignore them (not always successfully).

Posted by Tony (UK) 2005-09-11 17:49|| 2005-09-11 17:49|| Front Page Top

#25 John French, London, UK

Gee, I thought London was in England!
/silliness

Oddly enough, I've noticed that people who are anti-American and/or antisemitic also tend to be loudmouthed bombasts. Generally not nearly as intelligent or educated as they fancy themselves, as well. Those who are pro-American and pro-Israel/Jews are generally softer spoken and a great deal wiser, as we've seen with our beloved Rantburg cousins. Just as so many of us in America, they got tired of pointlessly trying to pursuade idiots who are incapable of understanding.

Posted by trailing wife 2005-09-11 22:48|| 2005-09-11 22:48|| Front Page Top

#26 To follow up on that thought, the fight against the "anti's" musn't be conceded or the fascists will win by default, but it's impossible and pointless to waste limited resources by going full force for every little thing.

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