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2003-05-30 India-Pakistan

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Posted by Paul Moloney 2003-05-30 03:23 am|| || Front Page|| [7 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 "PBUH"Just regular"PBUH"not a Grand Pbuh.Wouldn"t the return of Christ prove he is the"Son of God".

Posted by Raptor 2003-05-30 06:24:43|| 2003-05-30 06:24:43|| Front Page Top

#2 Obviously not. The return of Elijah is after also expected by certain Christians I've known. That doesn't mean they consider Elijah to be the "Son of God".

(It only means that wackos can be found in every religion.)

Posted by Aris Katsaris 2003-05-30 06:44:55|| 2003-05-30 06:44:55|| Front Page Top

#3 Every one of these wackos want to be like Jesus, why not check out the original and be part of the real thing.

Posted by Douglas De Bono 2003-05-30 07:05:16|| [www.douglasdebono.com] 2003-05-30 07:05:16|| Front Page Top

#4 I take it hallucinogens are cheap and plentiful in the Urdu land? Or is it just "Islam Gone Wild"?

Posted by tu3031 2003-05-30 07:59:21|| 2003-05-30 07:59:21|| Front Page Top

#5 Never heard about Elijah returning,from what I understand(from reading the Bible)only Christ is supposed to return.

Posted by Raptor 2003-05-30 08:54:24|| 2003-05-30 08:54:24|| Front Page Top

#6 The "One-Eyed Dajjal" seems to be the Islamic analogue of the Antichrist, which does come before the Second Coming, and who's slain only by Jesus Christ.

*Shakes head* I have no idea why the Koran gives the nod to Jesus Christ to conduct the Second Coming, but it does.

Posted by Ptah 2003-05-30 10:47:43|| [www.crusaderwarcollege.org] 2003-05-30 10:47:43|| Front Page Top

#7 Raptor: The return of Elijah is a an old and persistent Judeo-Christian belief. Check out Matthew verses 17.9 to 17.13 for an example.

Posted by 11A5S 2003-05-30 10:56:11|| 2003-05-30 10:56:11|| Front Page Top

#8 Wasn't Elijah the one who got "taken up whilst still living" in a wheel of fire? Didn't the UFO nuts latch onto him as an abductee?

Hope he got a transfer ticket...

Posted by mojo 2003-05-30 13:11:11|| 2003-05-30 13:11:11|| Front Page Top

#9 Raptor: During the Tribulation period, two witnesses will prophesy against the anti-Christ. Although they are not named, some people believe they will be Elijah and Moses, due to them being present at the Transfiguration and by the miracles they will perform:
Elijah - fire, no rain
Moses - water into blood, plagues

Posted by BibleGuy 2003-05-30 13:21:37|| 2003-05-30 13:21:37|| Front Page Top

#10 in jewish tradition elijah appears often to help the Jewish people in time of troubles, and as a mystical character generally. He will appear to announce the age of the messiah.

sings:"eliyahu, hanavi, eliyahu, hatishbi, eliyahu, eliyahu, eliyahu hagiladi.
yavo alenu, bimharo, biyamanu .
Im moshiach, ben david, im moshiach, ben david"

Elijah, the prophet, the tishibite, the gileadite. will come to us, speedily, in our days, with the messiah, the son of David.

Posted by liberalhawk 2003-05-30 15:43:56|| 2003-05-30 15:43:56|| Front Page Top

#11 Jesus' disciples asked Him the question, (Matt 17) "why do the scribes say that Elijah must some first?" (before the Messiah - Malachi 4) Jesus said, "Elijah truly is coming first and will restore all things... but Elijah has come already and they did not know him..." Then the disciples understood He spoke of John the Baptist.

Elijah's coming is a principle. Those in the spirit and power of Elijah, (like John, like others) come to prepare the way of the Lord.

In that, strangely enough, I agree will L-hawk.

Ptah - The scriptures of many ancient religions refer to the person and work of the Messiah, (Koran, Bhagavad Gita, many oral tribal traditions) Something about Him not being without a testimony in all nations.

Posted by Scott 2003-05-30 18:18:37|| 2003-05-30 18:18:37|| Front Page Top

#12

Some Christians believe the two witnesses in Revelation will be Elijah and Enoch. Both of them were taken straight into God's presence without undergoing physical death. Gen 5:24 (Enoch) II Kings 2:11 (Elijah)

The book of Hebrews (9:27) states "Just as man is destined to die once, and after that to face judgment". Some Christians reason that Elijah and Enoch, having not yet faced physical death, will be the the two witnesses. For those of you who haven't read Revelation, the witnesses die and then are raised to life.

Posted by John 2003-05-30 19:25:46|| 2003-05-30 19:25:46|| Front Page Top

#13 Ok I can accept the general consenseus here.I still find it suprising that Muslems espouse any part of the new testemant,or is this just my own ignorance talking?
Anybody read the"Left Behind"series of novels?

Posted by Raptor 2003-05-31 07:25:13|| 2003-05-31 07:25:13|| Front Page Top

#14 Muslims don't espouse any part of the new testament, the same way they don't espouse any part of the old testament. But characters such as Adam, Noah, Abraham, Solomon, John the Baptist, Jesus and so on are all characters that can also be found in the Koran.

"He has enjoined upon you for religion what He prescribed to Noah and what we inspired thee with, and what we inspired Abraham and Moses and Jesus,-to be steadfast in religion, and not to part into sects therein-a great thing to the idolaters is that which ye call them to! God elects for Himself whom He pleases and guides unto Himself him who turns repentant."
-XLII.

"O ye people of the Book! do not exceed in your religion, nor say against God aught save the truth. The Messiah, Jesus the son of Mary, is but the apostle of God and His Word, which He cast into Mary and a spirit from Him; believe then in God and His apostles, and say not âThree.â Have done! it were better for you. God is only one God, celebrated be His praise that He should beget a Son! His is what is in the heavens and what is in the earth and God sufficeth for a guardian."
-IV.

Posted by Aris Katsaris 2003-05-31 08:22:24|| 2003-05-31 08:22:24|| Front Page Top

#15 An honest question for you Aris:
Muslims don't espouse any part of the new testament, the same way they don't espouse any part of the old testament. But characters such as Adam, Noah, Abraham, Solomon, John the Baptist, Jesus and so on are all characters that can also be found in the Koran. "He has enjoined upon you for religion what He prescribed to Noah and what we inspired thee with, and what we inspired Abraham and Moses and Jesus,-to be steadfast in religion, and not to part into sects therein-a great thing to the idolaters is that which ye call them to! God elects for Himself whom He pleases and guides unto Himself him who turns repentant." -XLII. "O ye people of the Book! do not exceed in your religion, nor say against God aught save the truth. The Messiah, Jesus the son of Mary, is but the apostle of God and His Word, which He cast into Mary and a spirit from Him; believe then in God and His apostles, and say not âThree.â Have done! it were better for you. God is only one God, celebrated be His praise that He should beget a Son! His is what is in the heavens and what is in the earth and God sufficeth for a guardian." -IV.
Posted by: Aris Katsaris 5/31/2003 8:22:24 AM

Does all this mean that the Quran declares that Jesus is the son of God?
Explain for me please?

Posted by Raptor 2003-05-31 09:28:02|| 2003-05-31 09:28:02|| Front Page Top

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