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2003-10-30 Iraq

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Posted by Sorge 2003-10-30 11:50:04 AM|| || Front Page|| [2 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 --This is certainly the moment in which we have the greatest need for you Europeans: Europe should put pressure on the countries bordering Iraq. And we need to learn; U.S. democracy is not the only model; Europe also has a valuable heritage. The point now is to create a democracy with Iraqi characteristics.â--

Well, there's his first mistake, looking to Europe.

Posted by Anonymous-not above 2003-10-30 12:28:50 PM|| 2003-10-30 12:28:50 PM|| Front Page Top

#2 I would also point this story out, coincidentially with the Jesuit article above. The Chaldean Church is in union with Rome, I believe.

The Catholic Church is growing fastest in Africa in those countries where Islam meets everything else.

Posted by Chuck Simmins 2003-10-30 12:32:38 PM|| [http://blog.simmins.org] 2003-10-30 12:32:38 PM|| Front Page Top

#3 "It would be an error for Europe to leave the reconstruction of the country to the Americans.â

Anyone care to speculate on this? Why would it be an "error"???

(Personally I think it's more "multilateral" bullshit, but that's just me)

Posted by Bomb-a-rama 2003-10-30 12:55:34 PM|| 2003-10-30 12:55:34 PM|| Front Page Top

#4 Notice what he said in the last paragraph: âThe United Nations is finished; we need to think of other instruments."

This guy understands that an agency that has no real responsibilities, has no impetus to change, and has no accountability to anyone but itself is a dead horse. It's all 'talk-talk', do nothing unless it's to prolong an unacceptable condition (I.E., "palestinian" refugee camps - really internment camps for Arabs who once lived in the area now known as the State of Israel, and who were ordered to leave by the Mufti of Jerusalem.)

I still say the Brits should 'give' the United Nations the island of Ascension, require that all members assigned to the UN or employed by it live there, and that all communication be by slow mail boat. The world would be a better place - especially New York City.

As for "getting Europe involved", I think the main thrust here is to 'import' some additional Christians into Iraq. Whether that's a good move or not isn't my decision. We'd need to study this guy's background much more closely than this one article before making any real evaluation of his words.

Posted by Old Patriot 2003-10-30 2:37:58 PM|| [http://users.codenet.net/mweather/default.htm] 2003-10-30 2:37:58 PM|| Front Page Top

#5 B-a-R: You're sorta right, I believe the Bishop was just giving the Euroreporter some diplomatic pablum for the Europublic's benefit.

I think this is a more telling example of the Bishop's real view:

"Before the war (Europe's) support was strong, but now we lack its political support"

Yeah, that's one big elephant in the room there, boyo...

Posted by Carl in N.H. 2003-10-30 4:10:50 PM|| 2003-10-30 4:10:50 PM|| Front Page Top

#6 Just how long has this guy been the Bishop of Kirkuk? For example, did he have pre-no-fly-zone accomodations with Saddam? Did he "cooperate" during the last decade? Kirkuk and the north were far better off, sure, but they were not immune to Saddam - as the Kurds will tell you. To keep their power and status, thoughout history many people of position were cooperative with extremely negative (evil?) powers, such as the Vatican's "arrangements" with the Nazis. Is everyone assuming this guy's clean? And what is his agenda? Something doesn't quite smell right... He shoudn't get a pass until he's passed...

Posted by .com 2003-10-30 5:34:25 PM|| 2003-10-30 5:34:25 PM|| Front Page Top

#7 .com

From the experience of Ken Joseph Jr. I don't think that Sadaam was generally nice to the Chaldean's (other than Tariq Aziz and the Chaldean Church in Detriot that he cut a check for $200,000 for.

Posted by Super Hose 2003-10-30 8:23:28 PM|| 2003-10-30 8:23:28 PM|| Front Page Top

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