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2003-11-22 Middle East

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Posted by Scott 2003-11-22 9:47:59 AM|| || Front Page|| [4 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Shame the speech had to be made in Italy rather than, say, France. AFAIK, Italy doesn't have any serious problems as regards anti-Semitism, and has a relatively honourable history as regards its treatment of Jews. Even under Mussolini, they escaped persecution, and when Italy capitulated to the allies, in those areas under German occupation Italians typically resisted attempts at transportation and execution, often at tremendous personal risk.

Posted by Bulldog 2003-11-22 10:26:02 AM|| 2003-11-22 10:26:02 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 The Jews in Rome did live in their own qtr, as Itilians until Uncle SS moved into the "open city". I'm surprized at the amount of anti Israel stuff I hear from people around here. Seattle.

Posted by Lucky 2003-11-22 12:40:38 PM|| 2003-11-22 12:40:38 PM|| Front Page Top

#3 Bulldog

Shame, the speech should have been made in the Netherlands: the survival rate of Jews in France was nearly three times higher than for Netherland Jews. I also remind you that there was an SS division formed of Flemish and Dutch

Posted by JFM 2003-11-22 2:04:48 PM|| 2003-11-22 2:04:48 PM|| Front Page Top

#4 JFM, If lectures concerning anti-Semitism were to be made in European countries chosen solely on historical precedent, I'm sure that neither France nor the Netherlands would top the list. But which country in Europe today has the highest frequency of anti-Semitic attacks? Just in the past week we've heard of a Jewish school firebombed, the President summoning his cabinet for emergency anti-Semitism discussions, and a Jewish leader advising his community to hide symbols of their Jewishness in public. If anywhere in Europe could do with a chastising lecture from Ariel Sharon today, it's France.

I didn't mean to imply that the French were particularly anti-Semitic during WWII, I was pointing out that Italy was something of a safe haven. There are a number of reasons why Dutch Jews were particularly hard hit during Nazi occupation, but I don't recall that Dutch cultural anti-Semitism was a primary one. Many "Dutch" Jews were in fact recent refugees from Germany, and IIRC there was a special effort by the Nazis to 'purify' "Aryan" Holland; also the Dutch Jews were unusually compliant, encouraged by their community leaders not to resist, and having been persuaded that stories of resettlement in the East were in fact true.

Posted by Bulldog 2003-11-22 8:43:27 PM|| 2003-11-22 8:43:27 PM|| Front Page Top

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