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2003-12-16 Europe

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Posted by Fred Pruitt 2003-12-16 00:00|| || Front Page|| [1 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 It looks like freed Mzoudi might be back behind bars pretty soon as well...

Posted by True German Ally 2003-12-16 10:38:11 AM|| 2003-12-16 10:38:11 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 Sanity reigns over the German version of our very own 9th Circuit Court of Appeals?

Posted by Frank G 2003-12-16 12:37:21 PM|| 2003-12-16 12:37:21 PM|| Front Page Top

#3 I see this more as a move of the court to put a little pressure on Washington... to hand over some more evidence... just enough to bag the guys for the next decades. In 15 years or so we'll send them back to Morocco and you can have some more fun with them.

Ok we could still send them to Morocco right away with exact flight details?

Posted by True German Ally 2003-12-16 1:54:03 PM|| 2003-12-16 1:54:03 PM|| Front Page Top

#4 I see this more as a move of the court to put a little pressure on Washington... to hand over some more evidence

I understand Washington has been a little tight-lipped about intelligence material to protect sources and methods. And this is resented everywhere. Fine.

But any German court that is thinking of releasing these guys needs to consider the following - if another major terror attack occurs on US soil, and these guys are linked to that attack, US-German relations are going to be set back for decades. In the wake of a major event like that, today's somewhat stormy relationship is going to seem positively sunny compared to what comes afterwards.

Posted by Zhang Fei 2003-12-16 2:33:56 PM|| 2003-12-16 2:33:56 PM|| Front Page Top

#5 Zhang Fei, we still need some tiny bits of evidence to convict people. The US cant jeopardize trials in Hamburg with secrecy and then blame the Germans for not doing their job.

I remember times when courts weren't bothered with technicalities like evidence and boy they were stormy!

Posted by True German Ally 2003-12-16 3:15:49 PM|| 2003-12-16 3:15:49 PM|| Front Page Top

#6 I remember times when courts weren't bothered with technicalities like evidence and boy they were stormy!

Germany elected Hitler. The military and internal security apparatus supported him. His ascension to power had nothing to do with changes to the legal system. He used paramilitary thugs to intimidate and liquidate the opposition and enforce his rule.

Until the past several decades, the British used indefinite detention to quash terrorist activity without any ill-effects to its government. Lots of ex-British colonies have these laws on the books, and not a single Hitler has materialized. Like I said, dictatorships have to do with the national ethos, not creeping changes in a nation's laws.

Posted by Zhang Fei 2003-12-16 5:13:52 PM|| 2003-12-16 5:13:52 PM|| Front Page Top

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