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2004-03-08 Europe

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Posted by rkb 2004-03-08 8:50:55 AM|| || Front Page|| [3 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 The Socialists hate us for the Reign of Colonels.

The Rightists hate us for not supporting Orthodox hegemony in the former Yugoslavia.

Why should I care one way or the other?

Posted by Hiryu 2004-3-8 9:36:59 AM|| 2004-3-8 9:36:59 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 I wonder how much this was a factor in the voting?

I don't think it was much of a factor - if people were afraid for the Olympics then they'd probably have kept PASOK, rather than upset the boat with the use of a new government and untried ministers.

"We had that regime for 20 years," one told the BBC

No, you had that "regime" for 11 years, you stupid wanker.

That's a serious pet peeve of mine, the way many NDers in their rhetoric consolidate the various years of PASOK government and present them as if they are continuous. After the fall of the dictatorship we had about 8 years of ND rule, and then 8 years of PASOK rule, and then 1 year of interim governments, and then 3+half years of ND government, and then 10 years of PASOK.

So, yeah, if one selectively counts from 1981 (rather than the less arbitrary 1974 or 1994) onwards there's a sum of about 20 years of PASOK, and only 4 years of ND. But the 20 years were not continuous.

Posted by Anonymous 2004-3-8 9:58:55 AM|| 2004-3-8 9:58:55 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 Aris, What's going on here? I thought hte Europeans were all left turns and now this? The outcomes shows an evenly divided electorate. Did KKE gain or lose this time around?

Posted by Cyber Sarge (VRWC CA Chapter) 2004-3-8 11:39:29 AM|| 2004-3-8 11:39:29 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 If I were Aris I would probably be hitting the grappa right about now....
Actually, that sounds pretty good now that I think about it. Grappa is smoooooth.

Posted by Secret Master 2004-3-8 12:08:47 PM|| [www.budgetwarrior.com] 2004-3-8 12:08:47 PM|| Front Page Top

#5 Isn't grappa Italian? I'd imagine Aris is sloshing a bottle of ouzo about at the moment. In fact, there's probably a lot of alcohol being consumed in Greece right now. Must be a pretty shocking spectacle for all the British tourists out there.

Posted by Bulldog 2004-3-8 12:25:32 PM|| 2004-3-8 12:25:32 PM|| Front Page Top

#6 Mr Alogoskoufis has previously called for tax cuts, investment incentives and market deregulation.
The long arm of Chainney & Haliburton.

Posted by Shipman 2004-3-8 12:31:06 PM|| 2004-3-8 12:31:06 PM|| Front Page Top

#7 Were they swept away to the Dustbin of History?...

Posted by mojo 2004-3-8 2:21:09 PM|| 2004-3-8 2:21:09 PM|| Front Page Top

#8 Cyber Sarge> KKE gained a bit to 5.9%. Synaspismos (Coalition of the Left) was stable at 3.2%. DIKKI's power was reduced to 1.5 or something. Those are the minor leftist parties. There's also the far-right LAOS (People's Orthodox Alarm) at about 2%.

Alogoskoufis is one of the few decent liberals (by which I mean folk that are both laissez-faire in economy and liberals in societal issues) remaining in ND, and he's one of my few hopes that ND will do good things. Let us hope.

Cyber Sarge> *Everyone's* leftist compared to America. ND may be a bit more Right-wing compared to PASOK, but it's probably still to the left of the American political spectrum.

And nah, I'm not hitting either grappa (first I hear of it!) or ouzo, though the results disappointed me not just on the party level but the individual MPs level also.

Waiting to see the ministerial cabinet to be announced tomorrow.

Posted by Aris Katsaris 2004-3-8 3:01:33 PM|| 2004-3-8 3:01:33 PM|| Front Page Top

#9 i was thinking that KKE may have given ND an edge in the election. No clear majority but enough to gain power. And yes they are still left of American politics. Side question: Are you close to the Olympic venues and are you renting rooms?

Posted by Cyber Sarge (VRWC CA Chapter) 2004-3-8 3:46:16 PM|| 2004-3-8 3:46:16 PM|| Front Page Top

#10 and he's one of my few hopes that ND will do good things. Let us hope.
I knew we could agree on something ;>

Posted by Shipman 2004-3-8 5:08:26 PM|| 2004-3-8 5:08:26 PM|| Front Page Top

#11 Cyber Sarge> No, I'm not renting rooms -- at this point I don't even know for sure whether I'll be a civilian or in the army by the time of the games... it all depends on how soon I'll manage to finish my postgrad diploma work.

Posted by Aris Katsaris 2004-3-8 7:08:21 PM|| 2004-3-8 7:08:21 PM|| Front Page Top

#12 What are they behind on, if you don't mind my asking.

Actually, perversely, I don't think there'll be an attack at the Games.

They want W out and the last thing they want is to remind Americans they're/we're at war.

Posted by Anonymous2U 2004-3-8 8:23:38 PM|| 2004-3-8 8:23:38 PM|| Front Page Top

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