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2004-05-14 Iraq-Jordan

State Dept: U.S. will leave Iraq if asked

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Posted by RWV 2004-05-14 12:06:58 AM|| || Front Page|| [1 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Rumsfeld should resign, and Powell should take his place.

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Then put Rumsfeld in as Secretary of State with a mandate to clean out that cesspool.

Posted by OldSpook 2004-05-14 12:19:54 AM|| 2004-05-14 12:19:54 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 A cabinet shuffle! Good one.

Posted by Rafael 2004-05-14 12:26:21 AM|| 2004-05-14 12:26:21 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 I work for the state Dept and there are a lot of leftys here.

Im here, so Im taking on the cesspool.

Posted by JackAssFestival 2004-05-14 8:01:08 AM|| 2004-05-14 8:01:08 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 Fire his ass!

JAF,I hope you have hip wadders and a well made sh#t shovel.

Posted by Anonymous4786 2004-05-14 9:13:15 AM|| 2004-05-14 9:13:15 AM|| Front Page Top

#5 I miss the point of the furor. We ARE giving back sovereignty on July 1, arent we?

And really what is the likelihood that a govt made up of Pachachi, Talabani, Chalabi, etc would ask us to leave?

Posted by Liberalhawk 2004-05-14 10:00:14 AM|| 2004-05-14 10:00:14 AM|| Front Page Top

#6 JAF - good luck to you.

Posted by B 2004-05-14 10:01:23 AM|| 2004-05-14 10:01:23 AM|| Front Page Top

#7 As I have said a few days ago on another thread, I think we should pull ALL our GI's out of Sunni/Shiite Iraq effective July 01 or no later than Dec. 31 that's for sure and instead build a huge military base in Kurdistan.

As a gesture of goodwill and to help the Shiites and Sunis with getting their electoral and judicial process up and running, I think we should offer the services of the all the experienced folks at the State Dept. and the ACLU, sans GI body guards of course, so the latter can better "connect" with the famously decent and peaceful hearts and minds of the Iraqis that we are told about 24/7.

However, JAF, you have allergies to dust and camel dung, so alas, you can't go to Iraq with your fearless state dept.leadership...you'll need to stay with us stateside and continue taking your Allegra & Flonaise.

Michael Savage was brilliant this week, btw. Anyways, yesterday he mused aloud that if the Sunnis' and Shiites' new sovereign government came under the influence of terrorists, big deal, it would present a wonderful opportunity for us to deal with Iraq once and for all, the way military folk are trained to do. We could then declare war on the new nation of Iraq and blast them all to Allah-no more putting our boots on the ground and trying to figure out who is an innocent Iraqi and who is a bad Iraqi.

I rather like Savage's idea, and it ties in nicely with my thoughts about moving out to Kurdistan to protect our long standing allies, the Kurds.

The Shiites and Sunnis are hopeless. Two days ago,on the Glen Beck show it was reported that after news of the decapitation of Berg came out, 1000 Iraqis took to the streets [in Baghdad? wherever, I can't remember the city]to march in protest over the barbarism of Berg's murder. People...what is wrong with this picture...we "liberated" 24 Million+ Iraqis and they can barely scrape up as many people to march on our behalf as we have had GI's and contractors killed working on their behalf? Let's get our military [and our military dogs] out of this ungrateful Sunni/Shiite hellhole, and position ourselves in Kurdistan and wait...dum, dee, dum, dum...it shouldn't take too long, especially if State Dept. and the ACLU are there to help, like they helped us...

Posted by rex 2004-05-14 1:50:05 PM|| 2004-05-14 1:50:05 PM|| Front Page Top

#8 I think that LH has hit the nail on the head. The State Department is acting in concert with the Administration not against it. The coalition needs to cease being an occupying force. We will be in the conflict zone at the pleasure of the a sovereign Iraq. Our troops and treasure will once again be ours to give as we choose and theirs to accept and reject as they choose. The new government will certainly understand that our support for it will be based on its policies, but that the US and UK can politically not afford for the new government to fail, utterly.

Posted by Super Hose 2004-05-14 3:37:02 PM|| 2004-05-14 3:37:02 PM|| Front Page Top

#9 If our military base is in Kurdistan, which has great deposits of oil and gas btw, if the new Sunni/Shiite sovereign nation shows signs of failing and coming under Al Queda influence, we formally declare war on Iraq and crush it.

I guess I see little difference between Shiites and Sunnis sitting on their hands and letting Al Queda infiltrate their neighborhoods and kill GI's and civilians as opposed to the terrorists themselves. By the inaction of Sunnis and Shiites, they are collaborateurs with those who carry through murderous actions.

Other optimistic posters still see hope for a democracy in Iraq, that if we stay in Iraq for another 100 years or so, just maybe maybe more than 1000 Iraqis will march in protest 100 years from now when an American is decapitated.

I say let the Shiites and Sunnis do their sovereign nation thingey, which is doomed anyways-having Sunnis and Shiites co-operate on anything except killing infidels is asking a bit much-then wack their failed gov't big time.

By being based in Kurdistan, we will not even have to grovel for military landing rights from Turkey or Kuwait or Saudi Arabia-our rocket launchers will be based in the general vicinity already.

Trying to win over hearts and minds of Sunnis/Shiites is a waste of our military's energy and GI's lives and our tax dollars. Look how successful our efforts have been with Syria and Iran. How many years later and all that foreign aid and education at least under the Shah re: Iran, and they hate us today as they did 50 years ago.

I'm weary of fighting an undeclared social worker's war in Iraq while we're letting in Muslim immigrants to the USA holus bolus through legal and illegal immigration, who ultimately despise us anyways once they get here.

The State Dept. is posturing in an attempt to put a happy face on our being unwelcome occupiers. State is working with Admin. and that means what exactly??? I can't say I have been thrilled about the way the WH has been acting lately with PC rhetoric and actions with regards to all the peaceful Iraqis schtick and bully boy tactics and cave ins in Fallujah and Najhif not to mention the recent public apology for POW "atrocities" of naked pee-pee photos, even though the USA never fully ratified Protocol 1 and II in 1977 that would have beefed up Geneva Conventions III and IV and given POW status to unlawful combatants among other things, as Jimmy Carter, Arafat, and the Red Cross had hoped. Ronald Reagan nipped that nonsense in the bud. Even though the unlawful combatants are not covered by Geneva Convention III and Protocol I, our WH and Congress agree with the left that these insurgents are covered as "civilians" by Geneva Convention IV? Say what? The fix is in, folks, and we'll be paying reparations up the wazoo because neither the WH nor Congress did not stand its ground. Senator Frist was still jammering into a microphone about the horrors of POW humiliation on the day after Berg's decapitation was announced. The fix is in. Get our GI's to Kurdistan no later than Dec. 31. No one's "home" to support them on those days whenever the Arab Street is miffed.
" POWs, The Geneva Conventions and the Second Gulf War" (March 2003)

Posted by rex 2004-05-14 4:41:51 PM|| 2004-05-14 4:41:51 PM|| Front Page Top

#10 The article link buttons did not work for me the first time round, so here's the link to the article "POW's, the Geneva Conventions and the Second Gulf War" March 2003
http://www.ciss.ca/Comment_GulfWarPOWs.htm

I include it for those who are interested in reading what our Geneva Convention obligations are to Iraqi insurgent POW's -not much-except for whatever we think is humane. Torture lite is okay. Neither the USA nor Iraq, for that matter, ratified the 1977 Protocols I and II of the Geneva Conventions.

My point to quoting this is that I think the WH could have said we will investigate and punish behavior unbecoming to our internal military code, and not grovel with reparations and mea culpa breats beating. I see it as a bad sign that elected politicians of both parties caved as soon as they heard Arab Street was upset. Too much State Dept. influence on the WH for my liking.

Posted by rex 2004-05-14 5:36:34 PM|| 2004-05-14 5:36:34 PM|| Front Page Top

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