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2004-06-18 Arabia

Johnson beheaded by captors in Saudi Arabia

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Posted by Bill Nelson 2004-06-18 13:40|| || Front Page|| [8 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 God bless him and his family. May he rest in peace.

Posted by B 2004-06-18 1:47:52 PM|| 2004-06-18 1:47:52 PM|| Front Page Top

#2 Is anyone monitoring that Civil Engioneering site in San Jose or the San Jose State website for hacked footage of the butchering?

Posted by BigEd 2004-06-18 1:48:44 PM|| 2004-06-18 1:48:44 PM|| Front Page Top

#3 yitgadal, ......

Posted by Liberalhawk 2004-06-18 1:49:54 PM|| 2004-06-18 1:49:54 PM|| Front Page Top

#4 im hope so biged.

Posted by muck4doo 2004-06-18 1:50:20 PM|| [http://meatismurder.blogspot.com/] 2004-06-18 1:50:20 PM|| Front Page Top

#5 Another victory for the Religion of Peace (tm).

Posted by Rafael 2004-06-18 2:04:55 PM|| 2004-06-18 2:04:55 PM|| Front Page Top

#6
"18 June 2004 - "The Zero Hour Approaches"

Earlier today a posting appeared on one of the Arabic language jihadi boards, posted by a long-time poster known as PrinceBinLaden. The message states:

The time of the zero hour approaches and it is necessary for citizens to

The time of the zero hour approaches and with the ending of the period with sunset, it is necessary for citizens to stay in the streets and behave as it everything is completely normal. Cars and pedestian and so on. But after the Iftar signal, two minutes later you will not find anyone in the streets. Then to the nation, I beg that all of the people stay in the streets in all the districts in the largest possible numbers

A follow up posting sets the "zero hour" as sundown on Friday (today) Mecca time. Based on this, and the references to the Iftar call, I believe this post refers to Saudi Arabia.

PrinceBinLaden claims to be in North America, and frequently states his time zone as "New York Time".

Analysts at the Northeast Intelligence Network believe that this posting refers to the deadline set by Abu Hagar for the release of the jailed militants by the Saudi government. At some time after that point, the militants have threaten to kill the hostage Paul Johnson .

It appears that PrinceBinLaden is calling for the people of Saudi Arabia, Riyadh specifically, to take to the streets in a spontanous demonstration."

I am fu***ing livid. The above was posted in the North East Intelligence Site. After the news of Jonhson's decapitation, I got a call from a friend in Khobar. She reported that sirens were blaring and people were honking in celebration.

Posted by Anonymous4617 2004-06-18 2:06:14 PM|| 2004-06-18 2:06:14 PM|| Front Page Top

#7 A4617 - "sirens were blaring and people were honking in celebration"

This is new - the Saudi "police" have always shut down demonstrations of any kind (that I was aware of, anyway) in the Eastern Province. Not good, if true.

They've had dipshit "experts" on Fox TV blathering about supposed Qu'uranic prohibition against shedding the blood of captives, blah, blah, blah. As if any actual human being needs to be instructed regards killing an innocent.

I believe, because of his strong afinity for Saudi, his long-term employment there, "friendships", etc. that this killing will have as large an impact as the Khobar Killings. To most Americans, I think they'll say to themselves that this guy was "their friend" and he should've been the last American "they" would harm. I believe it will accelerate the exodus, make the average American here at home much more militant, and might even result in pressuring (welcome pressure, IMHO) the US to ratchet up the animosity toward the Saudis.

These cretins have killed 2 or 3 bird at once by killing Johnson:
1) accelerate driving the Americans out of SA
2) further damage Abdullah with a harder US stance
3) Nayef's star rises as Abdullah's falls

So who's running SA? I think it's clear that Nayef now holds the reins. An unintended result, IMO, is that the US will be able to more easily (politically, internally) go hardcore with SA. State and other apologists have just lost face and status in the US policy game.

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So, there's this stolen 40km wide strip along the Eastern coast of Saudi Arabia that provides the funding for the vast majority of the terror in the world and removing it from the hands of turbans of any stripe would stop the insanity dead in its tracks in 90 days...

Posted by .com 2004-06-18 2:25:55 PM|| [http://www.amble.com/images/Rummy_Civil_Defense.jpg] 2004-06-18 2:25:55 PM|| Front Page Top

#8 First and most important, condolences to Mr. Johnson's family.

Did anyone really anticipate any other sort of outcome to this situation? As if the Saudi police were going to successfully intervene when they could not manage to do so at Khobar?

Johnson may as well have already been dead.

After the news of Jonhson's decapitation, I got a call from a friend in Khobar. She reported that sirens were blaring and people were honking in celebration.

And yet the 9-11 panel managed to exculpate Saudi Arabia. America should forcibly extract all ex-pats and let this sh!thouse melt down to the ground. Once the Wahhabist make any sort of power grab, we go in and take the oil fields and cordon off Mecca and Medina.

Give all Islam a reverse taste of the autocracy they so dearly love. Ever want to set foot in your precious shrines again? Clean house or no more pilgrimage. Any questions?

Posted by Zenster 2004-06-18 2:29:50 PM|| 2004-06-18 2:29:50 PM|| Front Page Top

#9 Not good, if true.

I'd like to see this celebration. I would like to see it broadcast from the highest mountain. The more people see it, the better.

Posted by Rafael 2004-06-18 2:29:58 PM|| 2004-06-18 2:29:58 PM|| Front Page Top

#10 A4617 ... You and your family are in my thoughts and prayers today.

Posted by Seafarious 2004-06-18 2:32:38 PM|| 2004-06-18 2:32:38 PM|| Front Page Top

#11 .com and Rafael,

It will never be broacasted but they cannot control what leaks out anymore. My friend also said, that the Iman of this particular mosque close to her compound sounded frantic in his sermon. She does not speak Arabic but she said the pitch of his voice was frightening.
"sirens were blaring and people were honking in celebration.." The police was probably trying to disperse any sort of gathering. Remember, most men were out at that time since the behading occurred after Prayer. I will get more details tomorrow.

Posted by Anonymous4617 2004-06-18 2:38:15 PM|| 2004-06-18 2:38:15 PM|| Front Page Top

#12 Seafarious,
Thank you so much!

.com,
You are right when you say that the killing of Johnson will accelerate the exodus of Americans out of Saudi Arabia. My husband is putting in his resignation tomorrow. I am sure, he will not be the only one. Enough is enough!
If anything good can come out of this bestiality, I hope is, like you said, to make Americans more militants.

Posted by Anonymous4617 2004-06-18 2:47:32 PM|| 2004-06-18 2:47:32 PM|| Front Page Top

#13 I'd like to see this celebration. I would like to see it broadcast from the highest mountain. The more people see it, the better.

Probably wouldn't matter. It's still obvious from watching footage of various "demonstrations" that there is still a large group of people (mainly lefties) that still hate the U.S. and Israel and sympathize with Paleos, even though it's common knowledge that they celebrated when NY and DC were attacked.

Posted by Bomb-a-rama 2004-06-18 2:48:31 PM|| 2004-06-18 2:48:31 PM|| Front Page Top

#14 A4617 - "they cannot control what leaks out anymore"

Absolutely true - I sure hope someone took a few frames of video and emails it out. As Rafael clearly implied, such footage would be devastating - as the Palestinian 9/11 celebrations were... that little fuck-up cost them a lot of US support.

I truly believe this signals the end. Nayef's remarks about wanting US intel, of course, is only so he can keep his minions safe from the US. The Saudis whose IQ exceeds their hat/shoe size will recognize that this act shouts down all of the apologies. I remember being stopped by Saudis after 9/11, people I didn't know, telling me that I (we) should not feel that all agreed with such insanity. Now the gloves will come off and those people will keep to themselves while the pro-jihadists will be pre-eminent - their day in the sun. Then the reality of the ramifications and effect will come home when the US tilts further away and the political coverage for all of those former State Dept assholes and pricks like Bandar and Zogby, et al, are handled far rougher than they're accustomed to. This plus the Khobar Killings is the tipping point. My $0.02.

Posted by .com 2004-06-18 2:50:07 PM|| [http://www.amble.com/images/Rummy_Civil_Defense.jpg] 2004-06-18 2:50:07 PM|| Front Page Top

#15 They've had dipshit "experts" on Fox TV blathering about supposed Qu'uranic prohibition against shedding the blood of captives, blah, blah, blah.

Ignoring, of course, that all such injunctions are over-ridden by the all-jihad, all-the-time message ol' Mo' took on at the end of his life. AND, of course, that all the Islamic scholars tack on "unless necessary to defend the ummah" to every ruling they make against violence.

Remember, most men were out at that time since the behading occurred after Prayer.

No doubt the brave jihadis needed to get their Hate On at the mosque. I'm actually surprised they didn't behead him IN a mosque during prayers.

I guess that's next year.

Posted by Robert Crawford 2004-06-18 2:51:12 PM|| [http://www.kloognome.com] 2004-06-18 2:51:12 PM|| Front Page Top

#16 It's still obvious from watching footage of various "demonstrations" that there is still a large group of people (mainly lefties) that still hate the U.S. and Israel and sympathize with Paleos, even though it's common knowledge that they celebrated when NY and DC were attacked.

You mis-spoke. It's not "even though", it's "BECAUSE".

Posted by Robert Crawford 2004-06-18 2:52:30 PM|| [http://www.kloognome.com] 2004-06-18 2:52:30 PM|| Front Page Top

#17 A4617 - I am glad to hear it - PLEASE take care!!! Easy for me to say but, hey sis, you're family here, too!!!

Posted by .com 2004-06-18 2:52:51 PM|| [http://www.amble.com/images/jihad_this.jpg] 2004-06-18 2:52:51 PM|| Front Page Top

#18 I'm pre-empt Mr. Lucky Guy on this one... who's your buddy? Who's your friend?

Get the bats out and prepare to disengage.

You know... I wouldn't mind walking to work for a year or two provided the reward was there.

Posted by Shipman 2004-06-18 3:11:30 PM|| 2004-06-18 3:11:30 PM|| Front Page Top

#19 My heartfelt condolences... how sad that it was to be expected.
You know, I'm really hoping for a Bush victory in November because Saudi Arabia must be dealt with rather sooner than later.
It's about time to strike the beast in its heart.

Posted by True German Ally 2004-06-18 3:14:02 PM|| 2004-06-18 3:14:02 PM|| Front Page Top

#20 sirens were blaring and people were honking in celebration

In retrospect, it will seem silly to say it, but this shocks me. I guess it's time to reevaluate my faith in human nature and to thank the good Lord above I was born a Christian.

I could be funny and say that, "first Blair, next Putin and now Saudi Arabi making statments that will help reelect Bush"....

However, this really is such a wake-up call that humor is inappropriate. This will be a turning point in American tolerance. It is a sad day, indeed.

Posted by B 2004-06-18 3:14:25 PM|| 2004-06-18 3:14:25 PM|| Front Page Top

#21 TGA - Thanx and Agreed - he's the only hope the US has... and the Tragic Kingdom has just crossed over. BTW - good to hear from you - I'm glad you've had time lately!

Posted by .com 2004-06-18 3:18:06 PM|| [http://www.amble.com/images/jihad_this.jpg] 2004-06-18 3:18:06 PM|| Front Page Top

#22 .com ????

Tagline:
So, there's this stolen 40km wide strip along the Eastern coast of Saudi Arabia that provides the funding for the vast majority of the terror in the world and removing it from the hands of turbans of any stripe would stop the insanity dead in its tracks in 90 days...

Am I missing something? Forgive me for being so dense, but what are you talking about?

Posted by Anonymous4021 2004-06-18 3:20:50 PM|| 2004-06-18 3:20:50 PM|| Front Page Top

#23 God rest his soul.

Hey, Gentle, you out there? Come tell us some more about your wonderful religion.

Posted by Matt 2004-06-18 3:22:22 PM|| 2004-06-18 3:22:22 PM|| Front Page Top

#24 Pics are up on Drudge right now. Pretty disgusting. Know your enemy, folks. These are they type of people that the Euros want to appease. Coming to a neighborhood near you if you remain fat, dumb, and happy.

Posted by Alaska Paul 2004-06-18 3:23:30 PM|| 2004-06-18 3:23:30 PM|| Front Page Top

#25 When are we - the west- finally going to realize these people are playing for keeps. It is absolutely impossible to fight these people one at a time like we are trying to do now.

This is a war, not a police sweep. It is a war of cultures and ideology. These beheadings will NEVER stop as long as we continue on the path we are on. We cannot kill them fast enough and we will not/can not win their hearts and minds.

The only way to ever stop this is to bring a horrendous, horrible, totally devastating reaction by the West - one from which the Arab world and culture will never recuperate. Their culture as a whole is as guilty as the murderers. They do not denounce murders like this; they do not denounce the fundamentalists; they do no denounce their preaching. Through their silence they clearly and loudly condone the killers.

We will not do that though because the West thinks this is too barbaric and not a civilized reaction. We have âprogressed farther than thatâ and we are âbetter than that.â Because we think like this, we fail to see the world as it really is. The âAnne Frankâ attitude that âthere is good in everyoneâ adopted by the West is simply not true. There are good people, bad people, smart people and dumb people.

They started this war. While I do not think we will ever "lose" this war, I do not think we will ever see it end. Our current strategy will not bring victory â it will bring perpetuity. To win we must destroy their will, their culture and their ideology.

I want them to fear us rather than like us. I want them to be too afraid to even look at our flag. That is the only way to guarantee peace with their culture. That is all their culture understands.

Posted by Yosemite Sam 2004-06-18 3:28:58 PM|| 2004-06-18 3:28:58 PM|| Front Page Top

#26 This is a war, not a police sweep. It is a war of cultures and ideology.

No. Not, at least, to our enemies.

It's a war of tribes, a war for basic existence. They started it because they believe their tribe to be the ubermensch, and because they believe their way to be superior to all that came before and has come since. They want us to be their slaves and concubines, to take everything we have ever built, smashing anything they can't smuggle home to their tents and crapping on whatever's left.

They started it NOW because they thought -- and still think -- they can beat us. That we'll beat ourselves, actually.

I'm not entirely sure they're wrong on that point.

Posted by Robert Crawford 2004-06-18 3:41:53 PM|| [http://www.kloognome.com] 2004-06-18 3:41:53 PM|| Front Page Top

#27 A4021 - It's sort of an inside joke. We once had a discussion about Saudi funding of terror (which is probably about 75%-90% of the total, world-wide) and that there was a drastic but straightforward way to stop it: take the oil. You see (map) that the oil in SA is actually in a rather vulnerable location: a strip of land along the Eastern coastline about 40 KM wide running from Kuwait in the North to Yemen down South. Also postulated was that the current Iraq situation would afford a very convenient cover for taking this oil away from the House of Saud / Wahhabists: Just stage the right mix of rotating troops out of Iraq in Kuwait, Bahrain, and Qatar -- easily done under the radar (stealthily without notice) and take the goddamned oil away from them.

That's the gist of it. Of course, there's more, such as the ease with which the oil flow could be localized to that area - cutting off the rest of Saudi - due to the pipelines, that most of the refining and terminal opns are within the producing area, that the "Govt" is off in Riyadh, etc. - i.e. that there are many aspects of what, where, who, etc. that make this a possibility.

I've tried to get military specialists and IK (In Kingdom) people to post and help flesh it out, but there hasn't been alot of feedback outside of the RB regulars. Maybe it's NOT feasible - unable to say for certain, but common sense and my own military experience and time in Saudi tells me it is. If the RB Search included comments, I could look up some of the far more extensive / detailed posts, but this is the general idea. Plz comment, if you like!

Posted by .com 2004-06-18 3:41:57 PM|| [http://www.amble.com/images/cup_brasil_fan_1.jpg] 2004-06-18 3:41:57 PM|| Front Page Top

#28 Through their silence they clearly and loudly condone the killers.

What silence? They celebrated 9/11 and they celebrated this murder!

They don't merely condone, they idolize.

Posted by Robert Crawford 2004-06-18 3:43:55 PM|| [http://www.kloognome.com] 2004-06-18 3:43:55 PM|| Front Page Top

#29 .com - Would be nice if the US would actually do what you describe, and take the oil. I'd also like to see the water desalinization plants along the coasts taken out. Let them get their 7th century paradise for real.

Posted by Laurence of the Rats 2004-06-18 3:44:46 PM|| [http://www.punictreachery.com/] 2004-06-18 3:44:46 PM|| Front Page Top

#30 Anon1, .com is referencing our plan for the Republic of Eastern Arabia, a secular, multi-cultural, democratic state that runs 40 km along the western edge of the Persian Gulf from Kuwait to the UAE. It has a parliament, an elected president, religious tolerance, freedom of expression, the vote for women, a major medical school, and a bitchin' honky-tonk bar.

There are some minor details to work out with regard to some current occupants of the land, but it's nothing that our security consultant, OldSpook, can't handle.

Posted by Steve White 2004-06-18 3:49:15 PM|| 2004-06-18 3:49:15 PM|| Front Page Top

#31 Dr Steve - Lol! Perfect! As the obvious Secretary Of Health for The Republic of Eastern Arabia, you should have some fun designating other Cabinet Officials. OS is certainly our Rummy! Lol! This could be hysterical!

BTW, I don't want an official post - the real money is in consulting, of course! OS may feel the same!

Posted by .com 2004-06-18 3:57:52 PM|| [http://www.amble.com/images/cup_brasil_fan_1.jpg] 2004-06-18 3:57:52 PM|| Front Page Top

#32 Pulling the strings in the background is soooo much better.

Posted by True German Ally 2004-06-18 4:06:02 PM|| 2004-06-18 4:06:02 PM|| Front Page Top

#33 Lol, TGA - my sentiments exactly!

Re: REA... Help Wanted: Nominations are Open!

Posted by .com 2004-06-18 4:09:05 PM|| [http://www.amble.com/images/Rumsfeld_MartialArts.jpg] 2004-06-18 4:09:05 PM|| Front Page Top

#34 Anonymous4617, please know that you are in my own (and, I'm sure, many others') thoughts. Be sure to let us all know loud and clear when you make it out of Saudi Arabia. I wish you good speed back to your loved ones at home here in America.

Yosemite Sam, this isn't "war". If you want the gloves taken off, then you must recognize militant Islam's intent for what it is.

Jihadist Islam seeks no less than GLOBAL CULTURAL GENOCIDE.

No more mincing of words.

Posted by Zenster 2004-06-18 4:23:41 PM|| 2004-06-18 4:23:41 PM|| Front Page Top

#35 Anonymous4617. Ditto on what Zenster said. We are very concerned for you and your family's safety. Let us know when you are out of the zoo. I think that Saudi Arabia will have to go through some very painful times with its people before it ever comes out of darkness. I hope and pray that the people wake up. The process is inevitable; I just hope that it comes out for the better.

Posted by Alaska Paul 2004-06-18 4:41:55 PM|| 2004-06-18 4:41:55 PM|| Front Page Top

#36 Adel Al Jubair has been giving a press conference full of the usual slimy Saudi verbiage.

Finished by saying there is a siege / gun battle in Riyadh going on right now and some unspecified number of the Johnson killers have been killed, Yadda3.

Amazing. Couldn't find him until he's dead. Then magically the body is quickly found and they are after the baddies and in some gun battle. How fortunate...

Posted by .com 2004-06-18 5:15:28 PM|| [http://www.amble.com/images/pork-on-the-wing.jpg] 2004-06-18 5:15:28 PM|| Front Page Top

#37 Amazing. Couldn't find him until he's dead. Then magically the body is quickly found and they are after the baddies and in some gun battle. How fortunate...

Pinning the blame on some conveniently obtained corpses shouldn't tax the abilities of Saudi Arabian law enforcment too very much.

Posted by Zenster 2004-06-18 5:23:46 PM|| 2004-06-18 5:23:46 PM|| Front Page Top

#38 The gun battle will undoubtedly be like those of the old A-Team fire fights on TV. Lots of shooting and nobody gets hurt.

Posted by Alaska Paul 2004-06-18 5:25:11 PM|| 2004-06-18 5:25:11 PM|| Front Page Top

#39 It is a measure of the fascists' depravity and Euro-media fed bigotry that they commit these atrocities in the apparent belief that it will intimidate us.

This morning GWB was talking tough about the impossibility of negotiating with the terrorist vermin ("therapy won't work").

It is time for action to match his words:

1. Give Sharon the go-ahead to wipe out Hamas and Hezbollah, with the Syrian crime syndicate/government as a bonus target if they dare to intervene.
2. Resume the offensive in Fallujah and against the Al Sadr militia and don't stop until these Islamo-savage gangs have been exterminated to the last man.
3. Initiate a global Phoenix program to deal with terrorist and Islamo-fascist support agents, including propaganda agents.
4. Round up all illegal immigrants from Islamic countries and deport them as quickly as possible. (this should be done anyway.)
5. Open secret negotiations with India and Russia with the objective of organizing a joint covert action campaign action against Islamofascism and its supporters.
6. Issue a blunt ultimatum to the Iranian mullahs to abandon their nuclear development plans. Destroy a high value military target; say, their their nascent submarine force; as a token of sincerity.

Posted by Atomic Conspiracy 2004-06-18 5:43:09 PM|| 2004-06-18 5:43:09 PM|| Front Page Top

#40 Now Fox just reported that they killed the "leader" - the one posturing for the cameras as Johnson's killer. My oh my that IS convenient. *golf clap*

Posted by .com 2004-06-18 5:44:00 PM|| [http://www.amble.com/images/pork-on-the-wing.jpg] 2004-06-18 5:44:00 PM|| Front Page Top

#41 Indeed, .com.
The FBI's interview with this thug might have been most enlightening.
Is that a sigh of relief we hear from certain royal Fraudi circles?

Posted by Atomic Conspiracy 2004-06-18 5:54:35 PM|| 2004-06-18 5:54:35 PM|| Front Page Top

#42 To the Johnson family, my prayers and condolances.

To the vermin, I think the time has come for the US to build a large tower in Mecca. At the top, put a nuclear MOAB. Tell the religion of Islam, "The next time a Muslim kidnaps, shoots at, threatens or kills an American, Mecca joins Sodom and Gomorrah."

Posted by Silentbrick 2004-06-18 5:57:05 PM|| 2004-06-18 5:57:05 PM|| Front Page Top

#43 AC - Fred's got an article up - beat me by a minute or so...

I was reading your post carefully... back at ya later, bro!

Posted by .com 2004-06-18 5:58:12 PM|| [http://www.amble.com/images/operation_pissoff_logo.jpg] 2004-06-18 5:58:12 PM|| Front Page Top

#44 A4617 -- Hoping that you get out of there safely and quickly, along with all the other expats, both American and other nationalities. That place is just far too crazy from the outside....can't imagine what it's like on the inside.

And yeah, Saudi law enforcement is the best. Oh yeah. Ask anyone who ran into them at the Arizona Law Enforcement Academy for "training" (yup, some of them came to America to supposedly learn how to be cops. Guess it didn't work, but then if there were certain officers who were their trainers, I'm not at all surprised.)

Posted by Desert Blondie 2004-06-18 6:05:12 PM|| 2004-06-18 6:05:12 PM|| Front Page Top

#45
Pinning the blame on some conveniently obtained corpses shouldn't tax the abilities of Saudi Arabian law enforcment too very much.

No doubt the bodies were too mutilated for independent identification. Oh, and according to Muslim custom, they have to be buried by sundown tomorrow, and, in accordance with Wahabbi custom, in unmarked graves.

Posted by Robert Crawford 2004-06-18 9:24:02 PM|| [http://www.kloognome.com/] 2004-06-18 9:24:02 PM|| Front Page Top

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