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2004-06-24 Iraq-Jordan
Summary of Pentagon Discussions About Treatment of Prisoners
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Posted by Mike Sylwester 2004-06-24 8:57:25 AM|| || Front Page|| [1 views since 2007-05-07]  Top

#1 I get the feeling there's a hell of a lot of creative editing in Mike's summary. For example, that last sentence...
Posted by Robert Crawford  2004-06-24 9:55:15 AM|| [http://www.kloognome.com]  2004-06-24 9:55:15 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 Ah. Here we go. That sentence wasn't part of the paragraph Mike puts it in, and that paragraph is:

Rumsfeld eventually pared the list of 35 methods to 24. Most were part of standard military doctrine. Seven, however, went beyond that, including: removing a detainee from the standard interrogation setting and putting him in a less comfortable room; replacing hot rations with cold food or military Meals Ready to Eat; adjusting the temperature to uncomfortable levels or introducing an unpleasant smell; reversing sleep cycles from night to day; deceiving detainees into thinking they were being questioned by people from a country other than the United States.


Let's see:

1. A less comfortable setting. Wow. That's horrible. Can't imagine how much moral anguish interrogators have to go through to implement that one.

2. Cold food. The inhumanity of this one is unbelievable.

3. Uncomfortable temperature/unpleasant smells. It'll be just like they're married or have a roommate!

4. Reversing day and night schedules. I had no idea working the night shift was a violation of human rights.

5. Making them think they're being interrogated by a third country. Oh! The horror! You mean we lied to terrorists!

Oh, and Mikey, think about this:

Rumsfeld also set up a working group of military lawyers and others to deliberate over the range of techniques that might be useful and appropriate. The group came up with 35 techniques. Among the most severe were 20-hour interrogations, face slapping, stripping detainees to create "a feeling of helplessness and dependence," and using dogs to increase anxiety.

Everything listed there was rejected by Rumsfeld. Yet you constantly put forward stories -- some of them carefully edited, like this one -- trying to blame the entire chain of command for Abu Ghraib. This story completely destroys your theory -- will you have the honesty to admit it?
Posted by Robert Crawford  2004-06-24 10:05:24 AM|| [http://www.kloognome.com]  2004-06-24 10:05:24 AM|| Front Page Top

#3  Let's see: 1. A less comfortable setting. Wow. That's horrible. Can't imagine how much moral anguish interrogators have to go through to implement that one. 2. Cold food. The inhumanity of this one is unbelievable. 3. Uncomfortable temperature/unpleasant smells. It'll be just like they're married or have a roommate! 4. Reversing day and night schedules. I had no idea working the night shift was a violation of human rights. 5. Making them think they're being interrogated by a third country. Oh! The horror! You mean we lied to terrorists!

Bob, thanks for the early morning chuckle.
Posted by badanov  2004-06-24 10:27:55 AM|| [http://www.rkka.org]  2004-06-24 10:27:55 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 Here's a solution for you. Don't take any fuckin' prisoners.
Posted by tu3031 2004-06-24 8:18:37 PM||   2004-06-24 8:18:37 PM|| Front Page Top

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