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2004-06-28 Home Front: Culture Wars

Michael Moore.......... Closet Warmonger?

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Posted by tipper 2004-06-28 2:25:23 AM|| || Front Page|| [3 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Is this the same Michael Moore that plays for the LA Lakers. If so, he'd be better to clam up.

Posted by Lucky 2004-06-28 3:58:36 AM|| 2004-06-28 3:58:36 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 That first paragraph demonstrates Moore doesn't know what the hell he's talking about.

Has he ever said anything that wasn't utter bullshit?

Posted by Bulldog 2004-06-28 5:06:05 AM|| 2004-06-28 5:06:05 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 He's nicely defined his rational to go to war based on his own selfishness. "Do I believe strongly enough in this cause that I MYSELF would be willing to risk my life to go over there and square it with my conscience to kill Yugoslavians."

Change kill Yugoslavians to be shot at by Yugoslavians and you have Michael Moore in a nutshell. I cannot imagine any cause that Mikey would deem worth risking his hide over, thus he will oppose any and all wars.

He's no closet warmonger, he's a closet selfish coward by the quotes in the exerpt.

Posted by yank 2004-06-28 10:17:30 AM|| [politicaljunky.blogspot.com] 2004-06-28 10:17:30 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 The difference between the Kosovo war and the Iraq war is that no U.S soldiers were killed in the conflict while over 860 have been killed in the Iraq war. Michael Moore is not a coward because just by making this movie he is causing a lot of controversy. Speaking out against a government that you believe is unjust, like the Bush administration, is one of the most brave and PATRIOTIC thing that you can do. He knows he will be attacked by all the Rush Limbaugh's in the world quite viciously. He is speaking for many of the troops who have died, served or are still serving in Iraq and their families. There are many troops out there who are against this war after having to serve in 120 degree heat in the middle of the summer in awful conditions being shot at every day and worrying about whether they'd be next in a car bomb attack. Then the rational for war seems to have melted away: No WMD's. The Prisoner Abuse Scandle keeps us from saying we've come to liberate them. And there was absolutely NO CONNECTION between Iraq and Al-Qaeda as agreed upon by the non-partisan 9-11 commission. Speaking of cowards, the Bush administration is full of men who haven't served but have been eager for war.

Posted by Trollman 2004-06-28 11:58:46 AM|| [www.moveon.org] 2004-06-28 11:58:46 AM|| Front Page Top

#5 Troll man.
too bad clinton disagrees 1998. look it up.

Posted by Dcreeper 2004-06-28 12:25:24 PM|| 2004-06-28 12:25:24 PM|| Front Page Top

#6 Speaking out against a government that you believe is unjust, like the Bush administration, is one of the most brave and PATRIOTIC thing that you can do
Agreed. But there are lines you dare not cross, otherwise you move from patriotism to sedition. And MM is all over the map.

He knows he will be attacked by all the Rush Limbaugh's in the world quite viciously.
So he deserves special treatment now? ~~What a wanker~~ Poor baby. Like conservative speakers haven't been savaged by the liberal press in the past decade.

There are many troops out there who are against this war after having to serve in 120 degree heat in the middle of the summer in awful conditions being shot at every day and worrying about whether they'd be next in a car bomb attack.
I hate to be the one to inform you, but climate-controlled battlefields are not within our grasp. Go talk to any WWII vet who suffered in extreme climates. Our guys almost have it easier, given modern composite armor and uniform materials.

No WMD's
Liar. I suppose the shells they found were full of Raspberry Vinegrete.

The Prisoner Abuse Scandle keeps us from saying we've come to liberate them.
Blown out of proportion for political purposes. We have some bad cops in our own country...shall we disband the police in your home town now? How about the state police? Think things for Joe Average citizen will improve then?

And there was absolutely NO CONNECTION between Iraq and Al-Qaeda as agreed upon by the non-partisan 9-11 commission.
Liar. You guys keep stating this like you think repeating it a thousand times will change reality and make it so. ~~What losers!~~ Sorry, won't happen.

Speaking of cowards, the Bush administration is full of men who haven't served but have been eager for war.
And the parting cheap shot to boot. Like your boys Clinton/Dole and their Serbian adventure? I don't see any military experience on Bill's record.

Apologies for the troll food, folks

Posted by Trub 2004-06-28 12:47:13 PM|| 2004-06-28 12:47:13 PM|| Front Page Top

#7 Like your boys Clinton/Dole and their Serbian adventure?

ima knew them guys in cahoots! >:(

Posted by muck4doo 2004-06-28 1:13:18 PM|| [http://meatismurder.blogspot.com/] 2004-06-28 1:13:18 PM|| Front Page Top

#8 Patriotism and criticism: A rationale critique is obviously useful. Moreover, a singular premise to a democratic government is the right of diseent.
However, Trollman falls prey to a repeated logical error: equivocation. We shouldn't be too hard on him, because he is merely a media stooge.
Here is the problem: Criticism must be rationale. Mere ranting is nothing more than noise. Deliberately false statements, such as are replete in the Moore flick, are dangerous. There is no patriotic value in propoganda.
The claim to care about the soliders is viciously off-base. Bogus criticism provides a proganda base for the terrorists. The terrorists' aims are not military (no one believes they can achieve a military victory), but rather psychological. When someone like Moore provides them proganda, it acts to encourage the violence, extend the troop stay and gets people killed.
The rest of troll's argument is simply too silly to contest.

Posted by Anonymous5442 2004-06-28 1:21:22 PM|| 2004-06-28 1:21:22 PM|| Front Page Top

#9 Pure rote by trollman. 120 degree heat ya say, better drink your water. The harsh winter conditions in Afganistan, better dress warmly. There troll, all better.

I did hear this a few days ago, I think it was Tony Snow, but just now, a caller on Rush brought out how somebody really is making money off those that sacrificed themselves bringing down saddam.

Troll, saddam was a bad guy. He had been trying to control the petrol dollars. Thats why he attacked kuwait, gentle kuwait! It's not good for freaks like saddam to have a bunch of money. I'll let you decide why. But he bugged out on his cease fire agreement, thats why President Clinton was so tough on him, like cruise missles, return fire over "no-fly zones", and "oil for food" programs.

You can discount saddams vengenge towards America and Britain, you can discount his collaborations with terrorist. You can rail against Haliburton now.

Posted by Lucky 2004-06-28 3:07:01 PM|| 2004-06-28 3:07:01 PM|| Front Page Top

#10 Speaking out against a government that you believe is unjust, like the Bush administration, is one of the most brave and PATRIOTIC thing that you can do. He knows he will be attacked by all the Rush Limbaugh's in the world quite viciously.

If the worst that happens to Moore is that conservatives attack him, then Moore is nothing but a pussy.

Nice try, troll. No one gets thrown in jail for speaking out against the Bush administration, your most feverish fantasies notwithstanding, but you will suffer sharp criticism from conservatives, and it will be relentless.

There is no glory in that, but there is your little deception: You apparently want us to believe that conservatives and conservative media types have the same power as Bush.

Hint: we don't. We just happen to be right and we know the left is wrong.

What a lamer you are, troll. Go play with yourself.

Posted by badanov 2004-06-28 3:13:52 PM|| [http://www.rkka.org] 2004-06-28 3:13:52 PM|| Front Page Top

#11 Trollman - The difference between the Kosovo war and the Iraq war is that no U.S soldiers were killed in the conflict while over 860 have been killed in the Iraq war.

no the difference is we were protecting the euros in kosovo and in iraq it is our interests we are looking out for. something clinton could/would not do, actually defending our interest.

Posted by Dan 2004-06-28 4:40:18 PM|| 2004-06-28 4:40:18 PM|| Front Page Top

#12 see trollman is linking moveonorg..what an idiot

opinions on rantburg must be making it all the way up the greesed pole at the DNC...sending thier operatives out to post....

Posted by Dan 2004-06-28 4:43:25 PM|| 2004-06-28 4:43:25 PM|| Front Page Top

#13 Speaking out against a government that you believe is unjust, like the Bush administration, is one of the most brave and PATRIOTIC thing that you can do. He knows he will be attacked by all the Rush Limbaugh's in the world quite viciously.

Attacked physically? Never. Just attacked VERBALLY, using First Amendment rights that still exist. If Moore has the right to attack Bush verbally and via the screen, then Rush HAS THE SAME RIGHT to attack Moore and reveal the lies he's spreading. "Sticks and stones may break my bones, but names will never hurt me." Remember that bit of schoolyard wisdom? Didn't think so.

I do not believe one bit that Moore actually BELIEVES all the bullshit he spews: time and again, it's been proven he's taken stuff out of context, does creative editing, rearranges sequences of events. He KNOWS he's lying. The first amendment allows him to lie, but it also makes him solely and completely responsible for what he says, since he can't blame government censors or anybody else for his own creations. The first amendment only forbids congress from suppressing free speech: It does not prevent other citizens from using THEIR free speech to expose his lies, refute propaganda, and refuse to support him in any way.

He's clearly a narcissist, unwilling to accept his own lying character, and so projects it on others. While accusing conservatives of suppressing his movie, he uses lawyers and lawsuits to suppress criticism of his movie.

If it's okay for a private citizen to call Bush Hitler, it's also okay for a private citizen to call THAT citizen a traitor. Or is this a situation of a liberal saying "Free speech for me, BUT NOT FOR THEE!!!"

Posted by Ptah 2004-06-28 4:57:23 PM|| [http://www.crusaderwarcollege.org] 2004-06-28 4:57:23 PM|| Front Page Top

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