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Kerry Lawyer Goons Strongarm TV Stations Not to Run Ad

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Posted by BigEd 2004-08-05 5:10:23 PM|| || Front Page|| [2 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Oh, my, would that be the gentle squashing of dissent that I hear?

Posted by Sgt. Mom 2004-08-05 5:15:01 PM|| [www.sgtstryker.com] 2004-08-05 5:15:01 PM|| Front Page Top

#2 Hired goons?

Posted by Chris W. 2004-08-05 5:16:20 PM|| 2004-08-05 5:16:20 PM|| Front Page Top

#3 The fear is palpable.

Posted by someone 2004-08-05 5:24:13 PM|| 2004-08-05 5:24:13 PM|| Front Page Top

#4 Actually, they didnt serve under Kerry on his boats. They do however consist of his entire command chain which is much more telling than any PFC (or navy equivalent) account would be. This has spin written all over it.

Posted by 2% 2004-08-05 5:24:44 PM|| 2004-08-05 5:24:44 PM|| Front Page Top

#5 sKeery is in deep doo-doo.
These guys have the goods on him.
But it was sKerry who made his Vietnam service the highlight of his platform and career, so he's fair game.
And if it's true that he was one of the prime instigators of the rest of our Vietnam vets being branded as "babykillers" and perpetrators of war crimes, then he should have to answer for that and prove either that his claims are completely fabricated or that these other men are making their stuff up!
Kerry needs to release all of his military and medical records.
Let the games begin and may the best man win...and it won't be Kerry!

Posted by GreatestJeneration 2004-08-05 5:29:01 PM|| [http://www.greatestjeneration.com] 2004-08-05 5:29:01 PM|| Front Page Top

#6 The closest I ever got to Vietnam during my service was Fort Monmouth, NJ; but I was in when Kerry pulled his horseshit "Winter Soldier Investigation" stunt and gave his congressional testimony, and I remember very well how his vicious lies affected those I served with who had been over in Vietnam.

I don't think Kerry will be getting very much of the veteran vote. He certainly doesn't deserve it.

Posted by Dave D. 2004-08-05 5:38:46 PM|| 2004-08-05 5:38:46 PM|| Front Page Top

#7 And the promised implosion begins in the Kerry camp...

Posted by badanov 2004-08-05 5:46:33 PM|| [http://www.rkka.org] 2004-08-05 5:46:33 PM|| Front Page Top

#8 I just finished reading the free chapter âThe Purple Heart Hunterâ and I have to say that JF Kerry is in some real trouble with this book. The press can try to suppress it but he will get asked by some reporter. I was skeptical a little bit about the charges of falsifying records and such but they make a really good case against Senator Kerry. The fact that he spent zero time in the hospital and has three purple hearts should make EVERYONE wonder about them. The book also debunks the Bronze and Siler Star awards. The only thing for Kerry to do is to release his medical and military records and let everyone see.

Posted by Cyber Sarge 2004-08-05 5:59:04 PM|| 2004-08-05 5:59:04 PM|| Front Page Top

#9 Unleash the brownshirt lawyers!

Posted by CrazyFool 2004-08-05 5:59:58 PM|| 2004-08-05 5:59:58 PM|| Front Page Top

#10 Full Link

Rantburgists - Original link messed up. Here is the full link.

Posted by BigEd 2004-08-05 6:01:45 PM|| 2004-08-05 6:01:45 PM|| Front Page Top

#11 just more material for another pro-Bush ad.

At least Kerry is finally bringing to the American consciousness the role that the mob plays in the DNC. There is a reason, people that the Hollywood, Major Entertainers, Unions, Newspapers and Publishers are so pro-Democrat...they are all major enterprises of the mob.

Dems' connections to mobsters have been around since Kennedy and probably since Tammany (SP?) Hall.

Posted by B 2004-08-05 6:02:55 PM|| 2004-08-05 6:02:55 PM|| Front Page Top

#12 oooo phone numbers.

Posted by Anonymous6000 2004-08-05 6:13:34 PM|| 2004-08-05 6:13:34 PM|| Front Page Top

#13 Of course NOW everyone will want to see the ad just to see what has the DNC's panties all in a knot....

Just be sure to spread the word that the people in the ad never claimed to have served 'under Kerry' but served with Kerry (on other swift boats) -- and it includes his chain of command.

Also guide them to the book Unfit for COMMAND which is #1 on Amazon and is due out soon (Aug 15th I think). Which is said to have the juicy bits on Kerry's Vietnam service.

Read the DRUDGE report here.

Posted by CrazyFool 2004-08-05 6:14:31 PM|| 2004-08-05 6:14:31 PM|| Front Page Top

#14 WOW.

I wasn't sure whether this sort of thing was a good idea or not; I'd rather have seen discussion of the issues, where I think Kerry is weak enough if you could back him into a corner where he couldn't be all things to all people, and pretend to be both the perfect antiwar candidate and the perfect candidate to prosecute the war.

I also didn't think the ad would have that much of an effect.

However, Kerry has responded in one of the only ways that could cause my opinion of him to dramatically sink.

It's the typical democratic party hypocracy: that veterans are heroes only if they expouse the Great Myth concerning Vietnam (and to a lesser extent any guerilla wars that have been fought since). The same Great Myth that eventually caused hundreds of thousands to be killed, and created roughly a million refugees.

Posted by Phil Fraering 2004-08-05 6:30:25 PM|| [http://newsfromthefridge.typepad.com] 2004-08-05 6:30:25 PM|| Front Page Top

#15 Many Germans long for 'the good old days' from 1933-1945.

Posted by Mark Espinola 2004-08-05 6:32:48 PM|| 2004-08-05 6:32:48 PM|| Front Page Top

#16 I wonder if they sent any such letters to stations in California. If they did, they opened themselves up to anti-SLAPP suits.

Hell, you can't get anymore SLAPP than trying to stop a political ad DURING CAMPAIGN SEASON.

IMHO, they just turned a potential negative for Bush into an automatic negative -- potentially very big -- for Kerry.

Posted by Robert Crawford 2004-08-05 6:35:18 PM|| [http://www.kloognome.com/] 2004-08-05 6:35:18 PM|| Front Page Top

#17 Mark: that went over my head. Could you, uh, elaborate on that a bit?

Posted by Dave D. 2004-08-05 6:35:32 PM|| 2004-08-05 6:35:32 PM|| Front Page Top

#18 It's the Dim-O-Rats, Sgt. Mom.

Ain't nothing gentle about it. ;-p

Posted by Barbara Skolaut 2004-08-05 6:41:36 PM|| 2004-08-05 6:41:36 PM|| Front Page Top

#19 And yet, letters from those protesting MoveOn and other leftist organizations get no response . . . almost curious . . .

Posted by The Doctor 2004-08-05 6:43:26 PM|| 2004-08-05 6:43:26 PM|| Front Page Top

#20 B, you forgot the wedding of the Democrats to the big Unions. Unions 'contribute' union-paid workers to man phone banks, get the word out, etc... All of it 1) paid for by fees taken from the union workers (in the form of dues -- sometimes via extortion 'you-will-pay-if-you-want-to-work' ) and 2) unreported -- not even to the IRS.

I'm not against the 'old' unions who truely represented their workers. However today's unions no longer represent their workers -- only themselves and their leftist agenda.

Posted by CrazyFool 2004-08-05 7:08:12 PM|| 2004-08-05 7:08:12 PM|| Front Page Top

#21 Um, oops, sorry Ed, I deleted the other post thinking it was a duplicate, now I realize it was a "page two". Sorry! Arrrgh.

Posted by Steve White 2004-08-05 7:11:21 PM|| 2004-08-05 7:11:21 PM|| Front Page Top

#22 Compare this to their fawning over Michael Moore who has been proven time and time again to be a liar.

Posted by CrazyFool 2004-08-05 7:12:48 PM|| 2004-08-05 7:12:48 PM|| Front Page Top

#23 As the Instant Man notes, this letter isn't aimed at getting the stations to pull the ad. It's aimed at giving stations WHO ARE INCLINED NOT TO RUN THE AD a reason not to. "Oh, we can't run your ad, we're afraid we'd get sued, hee-hee-hee."

Posted by Steve White 2004-08-05 7:13:40 PM|| 2004-08-05 7:13:40 PM|| Front Page Top

#24 I blame Ashcroft. He's the one in charge of "stifling dissent", right?

Posted by tu3031 2004-08-05 8:38:12 PM|| 2004-08-05 8:38:12 PM|| Front Page Top

#25 Instant man correctly surmises this is not a letter aimed at getting someone to pull an attack ad, it is giving them fair warning that they may have problems backing up their claims and that to knowingly air false and slanderous information about someone, even a public someone, may subject them to be successfully sued.

How some of the folks commenting on this site could read this letter and deduce from it that it somehow proves the Swiftboat Veterans for Truth claims... ummm... have a problem, they have faulty logic, if they indeed have applied any.

Posted by godivamowse 2004-08-05 8:42:43 PM|| 2004-08-05 8:42:43 PM|| Front Page Top

#26 If you want a reasoned discourse about this issue of Swiftboat Veterans for Truth, here's somewhere you can visit:

http://www.duckstrap.com/swiftboatveteransfortruth_debunked.php

Posted by godivamowse 2004-08-05 8:49:10 PM|| 2004-08-05 8:49:10 PM|| Front Page Top

#27 That site doesn't debunk anything. It's not even a poor try; it ignores the claims and simply focuses on the assumed motives of the critics.

The letter from Kerry's law team doesn't prove anything, either. It's a bad attempt to intimidate people into restraining speech; a bald intimidation intended to silence dissent.

Posted by Robert Crawford 2004-08-05 8:55:08 PM|| [http://www.kloognome.com/] 2004-08-05 8:55:08 PM|| Front Page Top

#28 godiva, the men coming forward to refute John's claims are taking big risks--being sued for libel and slander, etc.
They are putting up their own word, integrity, war service and reputations.
If Kerry is going to stick with his "service" in Vietnam and have his people claim he was a big "hero," then his band of brothers--whom he alleged committed war crimes-- have the right to tell the truth about what really happened and just how sKerry got those medals and got sent home after 4 months.
And then there's Kerry, who won't release his military & medical records even though he's demanded that President Bush produce his in minute detail!
Nor will his wife release her IRS records.

Posted by GreatestJeneration 2004-08-05 9:09:06 PM|| [http://www.greatestjeneration.com] 2004-08-05 9:09:06 PM|| Front Page Top

#29 There are so many questions about Kerry's service that I think they should be looked into. Kerry should have to release his complete records. And why shouldn't these guys be allowed to voice their opinion? We've had all these groups out there badmouthing Bush and no-one, including Kerry, is saying they shouldn't be doing it.

I just finished watching FoxNews for the evening. O'Reilly covered this somewhat but it was more from the aspect of whether it was ethical to release this ad. Nothing about whether there was any truth to the accusations. Dick Morris even said it was stupid and would hurt the President.

I disagree with Morris on this. Kerry has made his Vietnam months a strong point of his fitness to be CoC. So, if others have reasons from that time that show he isn't fit, it should be made know.

Hannity had some of the guys on his radio show today and asked some tough questions. The guys seemed sincere and in some instances angry, not only at Kerry but at people questioning their honesty.

I wonder if I'm imagining it, but I seemed to see a noticable change in Fox tonight. Everything seemed to tilt heavily to the left alot. Even Fred Barnes seemed a little subdued. They've been sent a letter by some congressmen to cease and desist being a puppet for the President. Have we lost out only television station that tried to present both sides? Or was it just me imagining this?

Posted by AF Lady 2004-08-05 9:10:48 PM|| 2004-08-05 9:10:48 PM|| Front Page Top

#30 AF Lady, it's not new for Fox to go out of its way to "present both sides" or seem to us as if they're leaning Left.
They're only considered being to the Right in comparison to the others (BBCNNBCBSABC).
We in the VRWC are pretty much dependent on Conservative Talk Radio and websites and blogs like this one to get our side of the issues out.
Thank God, a new Conservative talk radio station started here in Dallas a few months ago, so I'm listening to Hugh Hewitt while I type this!

Posted by GreatestJeneration 2004-08-05 9:15:57 PM|| [http://www.greatestjeneration.com] 2004-08-05 9:15:57 PM|| Front Page Top

#31 I listened to Hewitt for a long time until the station here that had him on turned hispanic. In fact, I was listening to his broadcast on 9/11. I still try to catch him on the internet when I can. He is really someone that I have found to present clear views on issues. I absolutely love when he has the "smart guys" on as hearing both sides of a legal issue is very enlightening.

I know Fox has always tried to present both sides, which is one reason I like them. I've been watching Fox for a long time also. Its just that tonight they seemed rather subdued on any criticism toward Kerry. Like I said, maybe it was my imagination.

I also listen to conservative radio here most often on the net at work. Thankfully that avenue is available.

Posted by AF Lady 2004-08-05 10:03:39 PM|| 2004-08-05 10:03:39 PM|| Front Page Top

#32 Even Fred Barnes seemed a little subdued.

I wonder if the Bush team sent out a memo reminding everyone not to interrupt someone when they are in the process of self-destructing.

Posted by B 2004-08-06 12:03:18 AM|| 2004-08-06 12:03:18 AM|| Front Page Top

#33 B - exactly! Kerry's campaign planned to go dark in August to save $. Nice try

Posted by Frank G 2004-08-06 12:25:44 AM|| 2004-08-06 12:25:44 AM|| Front Page Top

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