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Posted by Phil Fraering 2004-08-09 12:25:45 AM|| || Front Page|| [1 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 If I see any Chicago Tribune reporter or columnist pile on, I will write letters demanding to know if said reporter/columnist has a "brown book" in his/her possession. The paper has an ombudsman and I'll write that person as well.

If Kerry has a reasonable response, provide it, just as GWB had to provide on his service in the Guard. I thought the smear of GWB was slimy, and if people are smearing Kerry's service it's equally slimy.

And -- here's the point -- smearing ANY vet on their service, including the Swift Boat Vets, is equally reprehensible. They saw what they saw. Refute it, corroborate it, agree or disagree, but don't smear them.

Posted by Steve White 2004-08-09 12:40:04 AM|| 2004-08-09 12:40:04 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 You know, I would love to see this happen to reporters. Have them followed by PI's, get film evidence of all the bad things they do and make them public. Maybe I'll suggest it to the NRA-ILA. After all, they are now a media outlet, and investigating reporters is "the most dangerous game" in the media world.

Posted by Silentbrick 2004-08-09 1:29:28 AM|| 2004-08-09 1:29:28 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 Typical for these f**king dick lefties to trash veterans ONCE AGAIN.

Kerry and his followers show their true stripes. ANTI-Veteran. Instead of dealing with the FACTS in the message that these veterans bring up, they try to trash the messenger.

Despicable.

Guarantee you one thing - this is going straight to my VFW and Legion buddies - and we will put it across the country in a damn hurry to our fellow vets of all stripes. This kind of crap will NOT be tolerated.

Kerry, you just hit the big dogs with a stick - you better run for the porch like the punk bitch you are.

Posted by Oldspook 2004-08-09 2:14:40 AM|| 2004-08-09 2:14:40 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 http://www.scaryjohnkerry.com/vietnam.htm

Posted by ed 2004-08-09 3:19:06 AM|| 2004-08-09 3:19:06 AM|| Front Page Top

#5 Yes, it's warfare-- what Goebbels called "Total War." And we, not al Qaeda or Islamic totalitarianism, are the enemy.

What started me on the road from lifelong Democrat to new Republican was watching Al Gore's speeches during the 2000 campaign. "We will FIGHT for you!!!!" he said, over and over. And in saying that, he made it clear who he was going to fight against: not George Bush, not the Republican Party, but against half of America.

Many lefties would claim that "Bush hatred" is no worse than the "Clinton hatred" in the 1990's; but to me there's a huge difference.

Hatred of Clinton was focused on Clinton, mainly for his utterly shameless, arrogant, finger-wagging dishonesty. I voted for him enthusiastically in 1992, and by 1998 I was ready to see him dragged out of the White House in chains.

But hatred of Bush is focused on... nothing much at all. No particular reason for it, just that he's a Republican, and a conservative, and that makes him evil. Ask a Bush-hating liberal what Bush has actually DONE to deserve hatred, and you'll get either a blank, uncomprehending stare or a torrent of nonsensical, incoherent bullshit.

The Bush hatred is focused on Bush, but any other Republican would do just as well. They hate all of us, and deep down inside they want us all dead.

Posted by Dave D. 2004-08-09 6:30:28 AM|| 2004-08-09 6:30:28 AM|| Front Page Top

#6 "medical histories, psychiatric histories,"
Medical records are protected under Federal privacy laws,and these members of Kerry's campaign staff are know confessed criminals.

Posted by Raptor 2004-08-09 8:23:05 AM|| 2004-08-09 8:23:05 AM|| Front Page Top

#7 Somehow I wound up on an anti-Swift Boat vets spam list (I think leftists perhaps mined the swift boat vets website for emails or maybe broke into their mail server. I am registered with the site but I have mever posted; lack of time.) . I tried to read some of them, but you know how it is when a crazy person tries to sound rational: They just sound ever more insane.

Anyways, the porn spam I get in addition to this leftist stuff I delete along with the rest of the garbage.

Has anyone gotten a handle on a name of a person or an organization who is conducting this jihad, to call it what it is? I'd sure like to know.

Posted by badanov 2004-08-09 9:12:12 AM|| [http://www.rkka.org] 2004-08-09 9:12:12 AM|| Front Page Top

#8 Just in case anyone round these parts thought that the Dhimmicrats had reached bottom, well, it appears that they've been digging. If it's legit, then let the sexual epithets fly - a more deserving bunch of craven and twisted fuckwits will never be found than the ABB crowd.

Posted by .com 2004-08-09 9:18:19 AM|| 2004-08-09 9:18:19 AM|| Front Page Top

#9 #5. "They hate all of us, and deep down inside they want us all dead."

Well...that's exactly how I feel about the Liberal Left.

I've recently had to end a few friendships with people that have slipped way to the left in the last few years. The transformation was amazing, these were by all accounts intelligent people.

But sanity seemed to just evaporate. Facts, logic & reason had no effect, beliefs and feelings ruled.

Spit! Good riddance. There is a terrible mind sickness infecting this country, and it is being spread in the schools. If the conservative right doesn't do a major slap down on the left (soon) it may be too late.

Someone here commented about a possible Civil War happening between the Left and the Right, I think it is inevitable. The leftists are not Americans, nor do they embrace American values. They intend to destroy this country and they hide behind false and dishonest constructs like political correctness and such.

JMO

CiT

Posted by CiT 2004-08-09 9:42:40 AM|| 2004-08-09 9:42:40 AM|| Front Page Top

#10 CiT: I don't think ANYONE is going to win the next American civil war. There are people on both the right and left who think they can, but as I've gotten older they've started to disturb me more and more.

It's not a question of who wins the battles, it's how many weeks in basic services start going away for most of the population.

Do you or any loved ones need medication to regulate blood pressure? Diabetes? Heart problems? Epilepsy? Migraines?

Arthritis?

How many months' stockpile of the medicine they need do they have on hand?

This is why the "warfare" word has been disturbing me lately.

I've been meaning to turn this into a 'blog post of its own... I probably will tonight. Thanks for giving me a lead-in here, though.

Posted by Phil Fraering 2004-08-09 10:02:45 AM|| [http://newsfromthefridge.typepad.com] 2004-08-09 10:02:45 AM|| Front Page Top

#11 I still have 300 lbs. of fishhooks leftover from the 2000 crisis.... tho I've made a dent in the emergency rum supply. I'm ready.

Posted by Shipman 2004-08-09 10:49:24 AM|| 2004-08-09 10:49:24 AM|| Front Page Top

#12 The Dims have learned their lessons well from Billary:
"Attack the messenger."
What kills me is that Skeery has clearly been planning his campaign for over 30 years (He told guys in Vietnam he was going to run for President and then took those movies), so he had to have known this was coming from his fellow Swifties.
And so revealing that he hasn't released his military records or his medical records, either--remember he's had prostate cancer, too.
But the Dims have had Bush produced his NG records out the wazoo--we even know how many cavities he had in the Guard, for Gawd's sake!
And no word on what Edwards was doing when the Vietnam War was on...
Plus they suck for denigrating President Bush's National Guard service.
Don't know about a civil war, but the Left had better SHUT UP after this election!
I've listened to their crap and LIES for almost 4 years and I've had a belly full.
When Bush wins a second term, they'd better be quiet and try and blend in quietly with the rest of us who've helped take care of business!

Posted by GreatestJeneration 2004-08-09 10:49:29 AM|| [http://www.greatestjeneration.com] 2004-08-09 10:49:29 AM|| Front Page Top

#13 Many lefties would claim that "Bush hatred" is no worse than the "Clinton hatred" in the 1990's; but to me there's a huge difference. Hatred of Clinton was focused on Clinton, mainly for his utterly shameless, arrogant, finger-wagging dishonesty.

I disagree. People hated Clinton (or KKKlinton, as I often saw it spelled) long before he started wagging his finger. I saw my first "Impeach Clinton" bumper sticker in late '92, before he was first inaugurated. Clinton hatred was every bit as irrational as Bush hatred.

On the other hand, I do agree that I never got the idea that Clinton haters actually hated the people who had voted for him. He was "Slick Willy", who had conned everyone, rather than the puppet of the Neocon Christian Snake-handling Cult which (the Bush haters think) has somehow taken over the country.

The main difference, though, is that the media believed that Clinton was hated mainly by lone wacko gun-fondlers in remote fly-over country, whereas Bush is hated by conscientious right-thinking journalists and Hollywood types.

Posted by Angie Schultz 2004-08-09 10:58:47 AM|| [http://darkblogules.blogspot.com] 2004-08-09 10:58:47 AM|| Front Page Top

#14 Come on, who did not expect this? This is a classic out of the liberal play book: âAttack the messenger, not the message.â I heard a lady on Medvid last week claiming that MoveOn was getting ready to launch a ânewâ attack on the Presidentâs National Guard service. I canât imagine what angle that hasnât been examined with respect to the Presidents HONORABLE service in the Guard. Unless they are going to float the âhe was gay and the kicked him outâ angle. But wouldnât hat give him more votes than take away? BRING IT ON!

Posted by Cyber Sarge 2004-08-09 11:04:41 AM|| 2004-08-09 11:04:41 AM|| Front Page Top

#15 I think this image does a fair job of showing the 2 poles of thought in the US - and defines the condition of one of them.

Posted by .com 2004-08-09 12:27:54 PM|| 2004-08-09 12:27:54 PM|| Front Page Top

#16 Come on, who did not expect this? This is a classic out of the liberal play book: âAttack the messenger, not the message.â

This is more like attacking the message as well as the messenger. And we should call this action by the left for what it is. A smear campaign.

Chances are very, very, very good the left was ready for the swift boat vets. Lawyers just don't work that quickly unless they are prepared. You can't gather that much information without being prepared. This little theory of mine is probably as sinister a concept as an applying commander in chief attempting the wreck the private reputations of war veterans.

Posted by badanov 2004-08-09 12:45:08 PM|| [http://www.rkka.org] 2004-08-09 12:45:08 PM|| Front Page Top

#17 I was feeling optimistic that Bush would win this election, but once again I'm not so sure.
The Dems have discovered the sad fact that Jerry Springer is one of the most popular shows on television. So, as a tactic, they have set about to become the party of Jerry Springer in order to win the "popular vote".

To prove my point, they put Michael Moore in the presidental box with Jimmy Carter. Need I say more?

I know many intelligent Democrats, but for some strange reason, they are willing to restrain reason and join the self-destructive riot against the civilized society in which they live. Maybe it's a last gasp effort to cling to the belief that if one lets go of the packaged rage that defined their youth, then they must, in fact, be old and no longer youthful and cool.

I find the mob mentality to be shocking, especially given the kinds of people who are willing to suddenly start throwing beer bottles and suspend decency all in their quest to riot against Bush. It's really sad to see intelligent people quoting from F9-11 and embracing such Jerry Springer tactics of democracy.

Someday they will look back and be embarrassed by their actions, but tonight they just want to bring down the house....damn the consequences. If the Dems can keep the riot going until November, the intelligent Dem's are going to wake up to find Kerry, who is against EVERYTHING they once claimed to stand for, sleeping in their bed.

Vote ~~Jerry Springer~~ Kerry

Posted by B 2004-08-09 12:46:03 PM|| 2004-08-09 12:46:03 PM|| Front Page Top

#18 "Zips in the wire!"

Posted by mojo 2004-08-09 12:51:48 PM|| 2004-08-09 12:51:48 PM|| Front Page Top

#19 Badanov, these guys have been a counter-Kerry since at least 1974. The author of the book debated Kerry about alleged abuses in Vietnam that year. They have had lots of time to gather âdirtâ on the Swiftees, but it doesnât matter. The more they try to stifle the story the longer legs it will get. Gut feeling is that there is something to this story.

Posted by Cyber Sarge 2004-08-09 12:54:33 PM|| 2004-08-09 12:54:33 PM|| Front Page Top

#20 Have you read the excerpts from the book? It's very damning.

My older sister used to mock my mother for supporting Nixon, despite my mother's knowing all of the negative aspects of his personality and deeds.

My mother used to say that he was better than the alternative, for which my sister would scoff at her.

Now my sister is all over the anybody but Bush mantra. Despite knowing that Kerry is a very disturbing person who stands for nothing except his own ambition, she's willing to votte for him because, "he's better than the alternative".

My prediction? Her children will, in the future, mock her in the same way she mocked my mother.

Posted by B 2004-08-09 1:06:12 PM|| 2004-08-09 1:06:12 PM|| Front Page Top

#21 CS Gut feeling is that there is something to this story.

Thats obviously the case. If it werent then Kerry would just release his records and be done with it. Evidently Kerry has some skeletons in his military closet and he thought that the ~~sheep~~ American people would be dumb enough to swallow his war hero story without thinking.(A typical elitist belief)

Posted by 2% 2004-08-09 1:23:57 PM|| 2004-08-09 1:23:57 PM|| Front Page Top

#22 I'm a little confused. Smear campaigns against the Bushman are bad (agreed). Personal sarcastic attacks on anything Democratic is good. (???) Help me out here. Discussions of issues are good, but are a lot better if accompanied by endless ad hominen attacks. Defined as: half the country is anti-American. If you send out vitriol, why are you surprised to get it back? If half the country is anti-American, then why isn't the other half right-wing nut cases. Something better than: "I'm right and you're wrong," please

Posted by Anonymous6018 2004-08-09 1:26:37 PM|| 2004-08-09 1:26:37 PM|| Front Page Top

#23 we can't help you anonymous. You could try taking a class in logic...but I wouldn't take it for credit, if I were you.

Posted by B 2004-08-09 1:35:11 PM|| 2004-08-09 1:35:11 PM|| Front Page Top

#24 Anon6018, the most fundamental difference between the two--and I can't put it any more clearly than this--is that the Dimocrat stuff is based on lies and the GOP stuff is based on Truth.
It's just that black and white.
The Left lies a lot and backs a program that is at best Socialist and that advocates the appropriation of private rights and property for the "good of all." (basically a knock-off of Marx and Lenin).
Propaganda based on lies is an integral part of that.
The Right backs traditional (Conservative? Yes) American values of truth, justice and the American Way of individualism, capitalism, rule of law, private property and equal rights.

Posted by GreatestJeneration 2004-08-09 1:45:54 PM|| [http://www.greatestjeneration.com] 2004-08-09 1:45:54 PM|| Front Page Top

#25 heh, heh...maybe we should be calling them the Dino-crats.

Posted by B 2004-08-09 1:49:37 PM|| 2004-08-09 1:49:37 PM|| Front Page Top

#26 Anonymous6018, Let me try and help you understand:
-The press gave President Bushâs military service an anal exam and the fifth degree
-THEY FOUND NOTHING WRONG
-Bush released ALL his military records
-THEY FOUND NOTHING WRONG
-Kerry is accused of manipulating an awards and decorations board on four occasions
-KERRY REFUSES TO RELEASE HIS MILITARY RECORDS
-Something aint right here
Doesnât that make you question what might be in said military records? As a Veteran I find it HIGHLY suspicious.

Posted by Cyber Sarge 2004-08-09 1:50:24 PM|| 2004-08-09 1:50:24 PM|| Front Page Top

#27 Had the logic course. Aced it. Four credit hours. Philosphy minor. Yep, one of those. But a chemistry major. And MD. Greatest generation: interesting response. A basic statement of the difference between the two parties. However, makes the assumption that only one half of the country lies.I have read that non-defense spending under Bush has increased faster than under any other recent administration. ?? Truth, Justice and the American Way is sound advice for anyone. Was Superman a Republican? So why did Barry Goldwater blast the present administration shortly before he died? Saw the interview on TV. He was as direct as I remember him being forty years ago. He seemed most distressed by the influence of fundamentalist churches, similar to the complaints being made about Kerry and the catholic church. Marxism was a dead issue from the day it was born. People are essentially looking out for themselves first, and any philosophy that thinks differently winds up on the ashcan of history. However, it has also been said that a society may be judged by how it deals with it's least fortunate menbers. Total lack of respect for those individuals leads to some unfortunate results.

Posted by Anonymous6018 2004-08-09 1:59:51 PM|| 2004-08-09 1:59:51 PM|| Front Page Top

#28 Ah...a philosophy minor..that explains a lot.

Just for the record, you post like a ranting lunatic. You should have taken an english class so that, if you actually had a point, it would be comprehensible.

Posted by B 2004-08-09 2:05:13 PM|| 2004-08-09 2:05:13 PM|| Front Page Top

#29 Put down the bong, Anon6018.

It's very simple: Kerry has something in his military records he wants to hide. Until he releases those records, I'll assume it's what the SBVT says.

Posted by Robert Crawford 2004-08-09 2:07:50 PM|| [http://www.kloognome.com] 2004-08-09 2:07:50 PM|| Front Page Top

#30 B I disagree. Both parties have flaws.

Posted by 2% 2004-08-09 2:09:39 PM|| 2004-08-09 2:09:39 PM|| Front Page Top

#31 Its the responsibility of every American citizen to push past party politics and come to their own conclusion as to what he/she thinks is best for his/her country. To just take whatever is dished out to you as absolute truth, be it from either party, is irresponsible.

Posted by 2% 2004-08-09 2:12:40 PM|| 2004-08-09 2:12:40 PM|| Front Page Top

#32 Disagree with what?

Of course both parties have flaws. So what? Everyone has flaws. But that doesn't mean that Ted Bundy doesn't have more serious flaws than Jimmy Carter.

Likewise, your comment number 31 is also true - but meaningless.

Take a stand, wimp.

Posted by B 2004-08-09 2:24:35 PM|| 2004-08-09 2:24:35 PM|| Front Page Top

#33 oops..nor does my double negative negate my point.

Posted by B 2004-08-09 2:26:49 PM|| 2004-08-09 2:26:49 PM|| Front Page Top

#34 Just for the record, you post like a ranting lunatic

This was what I disagreed with. And as far as my stand on this issue read post #21.

Posted by 2% 2004-08-09 2:26:50 PM|| 2004-08-09 2:26:50 PM|| Front Page Top

#35 This is hearsay from a radio interview but is it close to what happened?

Swiftboats were patroling when the 3 boat hit a mine. Kerry gunned his boat to get out of, what appeared to be, a kill zone. That dash to get away caused a crew member(?) to fall off the boat.

The other boats stayed and rescued the guys from the boat that hit the mine. They were not under fire and were able to do the rescue. Kerry said he was under fire while ripping down the river, for hundreds of yards(1000s of yards). Kerry did return and pick up his lost crewman after he was sure, or told that, no enemy fire was at hand.

For this he got one of his medals!? Ima think the other guys on the other boats didn't know he had been put up for a medal for his bravery about this.

A6018, About the article, the guys who didn't speed away are now being muckracked by Kerry's thugs. What say you about that.

Sorry for the hearsay, Anybody have a clearer report about that action? I did hear about how one of the Anti-Kerry swiftboat guys debated the Kerry rescued guy. And had him speechless regarding what actually happened.

Kerry is a fake, Bush doesn't fake his military record. If you flipped pancacks, don't be ashamed and don't fake it. I remember, while I fought the cold war, playing chess with a military guy from Iran. It was a close game, I think I could have won it, but after 6...0-0, I knew it was going to be a blood bath. The horror!

Posted by Lucky 2004-08-09 2:28:03 PM|| 2004-08-09 2:28:03 PM|| Front Page Top

#36 I'm not arguing with your point. I'm simply stating the fact that you post like a lunatic and thus failed to make a point that was comprehensible to anyone but yourself.

That's your problem, not mine.

Posted by B 2004-08-09 2:29:44 PM|| 2004-08-09 2:29:44 PM|| Front Page Top

#37 To B: I've checked my posts. If there is a ranting lunatic in the group it sure isn't me. OBTW, you just proved my point. You don't have anything even vaguely worth saying, so let loose the personal attack dogs. I'll pass.

Robert Crawford: Agreed, if Kerry has something in his military recorde that he has lied about, every effort should be made to find out what it is. He's made it key part of his campaign, so it's totally legit to try and prove him wrong. Go to it. Just what I've been saying. Attacks based on facts are acceptable. Personal attacks from either side, like good ol' "B's", simply show the pathetic nature of the person spewing them out. I enjoy the site, even if I don't agree with all of it, but the name calling doesn't reflect any better here than coming from M Moore.

Posted by Anon6018 aka Slumming 2004-08-09 2:30:36 PM|| 2004-08-09 2:30:36 PM|| Front Page Top

#38 troll wrestling, like "professional" wrestling bores me.

yawn. Later, incomprehensible 2%anonymous troll.

Posted by B 2004-08-09 2:33:57 PM|| 2004-08-09 2:33:57 PM|| Front Page Top

#39 Oh, much later "B" Your med call is coming up soon. You really can't stand anyone who actually asks you for facts, can you?

Posted by Anon6018 aka Slumming 2004-08-09 2:38:34 PM|| 2004-08-09 2:38:34 PM|| Front Page Top

#40 6018-Did B just call us the same person?

Posted by 2% 2004-08-09 2:42:45 PM|| 2004-08-09 2:42:45 PM|| Front Page Top

#41 #15 (.com)-beautiful, just beautiful. Desk cartoon of the year for political junkies.

Posted by jules 187 2004-08-09 2:45:38 PM|| 2004-08-09 2:45:38 PM|| Front Page Top

#42 "He seemed most distressed by the influence of fundamentalist churches." Yup better fear those people who attend church. Never know what those Babtists, Catholics, etc. are doing. Anon6018 plz go back to MoveOn and DU and report that you "Slayed those evil Neo-Cons at Rantburg." You've unmasked yourself and now everybody knows what you are and are not. Kerry is hiding something, don't get off topic by bringing up Goldwater. That is classical liberal gamesmenship: Distort the argument!

Posted by Cyber Sarge 2004-08-09 2:47:18 PM|| 2004-08-09 2:47:18 PM|| Front Page Top

#43 Yup, 2%, "B" just called us the same person. He seems to have a couple problems with basic reality check, so I suggested he check in for his meds. Probably needs an increase.

CS: bringing up Barry Goldwater is not off-topic. I admired the man profoundly. He had a brilliant mind and a ready tongue to speak the truth. Unfortunately, the only similar person in the Republican party now that reminds me of him is McCain. Since when are 500 billiion dollar deficits and 500 billion trade deficits Republican ideas? Reminds me of Roosevelt. Going off target is classic liberalism? What about your good friend "B"? Talk about off topic. As far as I can see, he/she doesn't even have enough upstairs to understand what a topic is.

Posted by Anon6018 aka Slumming 2004-08-09 3:00:07 PM|| 2004-08-09 3:00:07 PM|| Front Page Top

#44 This may be news in a day or two:

The Swift Boats Vets site e-mail server has been hacked. A number of registerees,including myself, have received unsolicited emails trying to smear with Swift Boat vets.

Let me tell you all they are hot about this and I don't blame them. It's a shame I deleted all the emails I received.

Apparently they are bringing law enforcement into this.

Posted by badanov 2004-08-09 3:31:24 PM|| [http://www.rkka.org] 2004-08-09 3:31:24 PM|| Front Page Top

#45 Badanov, where did you hear this (about their server getting hacked)? Did you just deduce this from the emails or is it news posted someplace?

That's out and out criminal activity there, and I hope it gets traced to the Dems who carried it out.

Posted by Laurence of the Rats 2004-08-09 3:42:06 PM|| [http://www.punictreachery.com/] 2004-08-09 3:42:06 PM|| Front Page Top

#46 THIS is from another thread, not mine.

http://justoneminute.typepad.com/main/2004/08/a_good_comment_.html

It seems to me that a lot of the guys didn't know that Kerry had been decorated for such mundane events.

It's one thing to hear that Kerry received three Purple Hearts, A Bronze Star and a Silver Star, but not know why. Now many of the men have found out that they were there for the events and don't think Kerry's actions warranted such high decorations.

Thurlow's account seems very credible. When Rassman and Thurlow debated head to head on CNN, Thurlow was confident and persuasive, while Rassman was Clintonian -- he attacked the timing of the ad and deployed the McCain quote for cover.

Thurlow contends that Rassman (who was in Kerry's boat) was only in the water because Kerry fled the scene after another boat hit a mine. Kerry's move caused Rassman to fall off the boat. Thurlow says that Rassman was one of several guys who were it the water that day, and that there was no hostile fire. Rassman didn't dispute the fact that others were also in the water, but he did hold fast to the claim that they were under heavy enemy fire during the rescue.

Thurlow pressed him: "If we were under fire, why weren't there any bullet holes in any of the boats, and why weren't any of us hit?"

Rassman had no good answer to those questions.

Rassman put Kerry up for a Silver Star for the incident, but it was downgraded to a Bronze Star. Kerry also said he got a shrapnel wound to his ass from the mine that the other Swift Boat hit. Adm. Hoffman, a guy who seems like he would know, contends that underwater mines don't contain shrapnel.

Apparently, Kerry put in for his third purple heart for a bruise on his arm and a minor butt wound that he sustained in a non-combat injury when he blew up a rice cache with Rassman, not during the hyped rescue incident. The docs even found rice grains in Kerry's ass.

There are two other SBVFTs who come down on the Thurlow side.

Kerry's Cambodia lie and his fudging to get Purple Hearts bolster the Swifties claims. Moomaw's post is interesting but not particularly strong. Why weren't any of them shot? If Kerry has lied about other aspects of his service, isn't it likely that he embellished the Rassman rescue?

Doesn't the fact that Rassman was only in the water because of a jerky move by Kerry matter? If there was a handful of men in the water along with Rassman, does kerry pulling Rassman out of the water seem so huge?

Fellows like Thurlow didn't flee the scene after Swift Boat 3 hit the mine, they stayed on the scene, rescued the wounded (Rassman wasn't wounded, he fell in because of Kerry, not the mine explosion) and shot at the banks to suppress any fire. Once Thurlow and the other Swifties determined that there were no enemy troops in the vicinity, Kerry returned to the scene and picked up Rassman. Clearly, Rassman and Kerry have grossly inflated Kerry's role on that day.

Posted by Lucky 2004-08-09 3:42:56 PM|| 2004-08-09 3:42:56 PM|| Front Page Top

#47 The âBrown Booksâ are so called because ~~of their distinctive plain brown covers,~~ they match the shirts worn by those who prepared them and by the reporters who reference them.

Posted by GK 2004-08-09 3:49:20 PM|| 2004-08-09 3:49:20 PM|| Front Page Top

#48 The Swift Boats vets do not maintain a mailing list. Suddenly about the time of the Swift Boat vets commercial, I get this email from them with the subject matter "Swift Boat Vets are liars" something like that sent from a yahoo address. So did a number of other registerees.

Now, there aren't but two ways I could have appeared on that list

1) They mined the site for emails from posts made on their forums. Not from any postings made on the site since I have never posted on the site...

or

2) They hacked their email server. The swift boat vets use an email registration system.

How could these other folks have gained my email? I post here, but I have yet to hear from anyone in this venue who have also received this spam. My email is also on my wargame club site (the old one) and very rarly at LGF, rightwingnews and right-thinking.

That is it. Haven't heard from ANYONE who has gotten this spam but the Swift Boat vets as well as I.

Now they haven't announced this, and they may well not since they have no proof of whom, but I am convinced their e-mail server has been hacked.

Posted by badanov 2004-08-09 3:55:41 PM|| [http://www.rkka.org] 2004-08-09 3:55:41 PM|| Front Page Top

#49 Interesting. I wouldn't be surprised at anything the DU-types would try. My email addy has been posted around enough that I get all sorts of spam. You mentioning the title of this one as "Swift Boat Vets are liars" tickles my memory some, like I've seen that before (recently).

Problem is that it's the sort of thing I would have reflexively deleted, along with the twenty other moonbat spam mails I get everyday.

Posted by Laurence of the Rats 2004-08-09 4:03:29 PM|| [http://www.punictreachery.com/] 2004-08-09 4:03:29 PM|| Front Page Top

#50 Well I'm on a porn spam list, a cialis list, a cheap ( read: pirated )software list, a Nigerian money scam list, amoungst others. I average about 20 spam emails a day myself.

Anyways, one of the folks on that list were upset enough about it to go to a congress(X)man to which an aid replied the emails had been forwarded to, I assume, the FBI. I gotta believe they wouldn't do that if they didnt come to the same conclusion.

Posted by badanov 2004-08-09 4:08:50 PM|| [http://www.rkka.org] 2004-08-09 4:08:50 PM|| Front Page Top

#51 Anyone have a copy of the email? Might be an ~~enlightning~~ interesting read... then again, probably not.

Posted by 2% 2004-08-09 4:28:28 PM|| 2004-08-09 4:28:28 PM|| Front Page Top

#52 I don't think ANYONE is going to win the next American civil war.
I can say only one thing: If we're not willing to fight for what we believe in, we will be enslaved by those who are willing to fight for what THEY believe in. "Sitting it out" is not a choice. Our government is being destroyed, bit by bit, before our very eyes. It's been going on at least since 1912, and it's time to put an end to it. If you're not willing to defend freedom, you're not going to HAVE freedom. Unfortunately, it's reached the point where the only choice left is to shoot the bastards, starting from the top down. If you don't believe me, just wait and see what happens if sKerry is elected president. The Bill of Rights will disappear faster than a snowcone in July.

Posted by Old Patriot 2004-08-09 5:16:22 PM|| [http://users.codenet.net/mweather/default.htm] 2004-08-09 5:16:22 PM|| Front Page Top

#53 So why did Barry Goldwater blast the present administration shortly before he died? Saw the interview on TV...

Er, you mean the Barry Goldwater who died in 1998?

And he blasted the current Bush administration? Hmmm. Seeing dead guys comment on current events...you might want to check your ranting lunatic scorecard. It might be you after all.

Posted by Angie Schultz 2004-08-09 5:40:29 PM|| [http://darkblogules.blogspot.com] 2004-08-09 5:40:29 PM|| Front Page Top

#54 "Marxism was a dead issue from the day it was born."

Since it managed to take 30+ million people with it, 20 million under Uncle Joe alone, that strikes me as glibly glossing over those pesky minor details - and I see no point in the post, either. Slumming showed up about a year ago in RB - same tone, style, meandering read-my-mind bloviation, same everything.

Posted by .com 2004-08-09 17:59|| 2004-08-09 17:59|| Front Page Top

#55 Marxism was a dead issue from the day it was born.

Anon6018, you fool... It wasn't Marxism that was dead from the day it was born, it was the 100,000,000+ murdered and starved victims of Marxism! It took force and the willingness to die that defeated Soviet Marxism. It will take the same to defeat Islamoism or better said, the love of Allah.

Posted by Constitutional Individualist 2004-08-09 18:03|| 2004-08-09 18:03|| Front Page Top

#56 "If you don't believe me, just wait and see what happens if sKerry is elected president. The Bill of Rights will disappear faster than a snowcone in July."

I suspect there is much, MUCH more danger of that from the Clinton/DLC crowd than there is from the Kerry and the Loony Left/Deaniac bunch. Not that the latter wouldn't like tear up the Bill of Rights, nor that they won't try if given half a chance; I just don't think they can pull it off.

There are two kinds of Democrats: Clumsy Commies, and Clever Commies.

Moveon.org, the Deaniacs, and Kerry are Clumsy Commies. They are impetuous, impulsive, angry, fervid and determined to win no matter the cost-- to them, to their party, or to the nation. They would be perfectly happy to fill mass graves with Republicans.

But they will lose, because their message is hateful, repulsive and alarming to most of the American people in ways the Clumsies just cannot understand.

The Clever Commies are no less leftist totalitarians than the Clumsies, but they have more common sense-- and a LOT more patience. They know that to succeed, the grim face of their coercive socialism, with "equality" and "fairness" arbitrarily decreed by government and enforced at gunpoint, must be masked with a smiley face-- however crudely drawn-- and their message sugar-coated with smarmy appeals to "do it for the children." They've learned not to call themselves Communists; they call themselves "Progressives" now-- it sounds less threatening.

Billary and the DLC are Clever Commies. They are in the mold of Antonio Gramsci: you win not by armed revolt, but by slowly and thoroughly undermining a society by methodically permeating its key institutions-- education, the church, the press and the government bureaucracy. Eventually a tipping point is reached, and their war is won without having to fight any battles. They don't want to put Republicans in mass graves, just send them to re-education camps.

Frankly, of the two groups I consider the Clintonistas to be the MUCH greater danger, because they're the ones who are patient enough to avoid provoking a backlash.

If I were a betting man, I'd put BIG money down on Hillary wanting very, very much for Kerry to lose this election; there is absolutely no benefit to her from him winning it. I wonder if she and Bill and Terry McAuliffe will do something to ensure Kerry loses...

Posted by Dave D. 2004-08-09 18:23|| 2004-08-09 18:23|| Front Page Top

#57 BTW: nice shot, Angie!

Posted by Dave D. 2004-08-09 18:25|| 2004-08-09 18:25|| Front Page Top

#58 Goldwater blasted the "current" adminstration just before he died because it was the CLINTON Administraion.

You guys on the left are not very tgood at keeping your lies straight.

Take this from a real devout Catholic (and not a Catholic of Convenience like Kerry):

Tell the truth and you dont have to keep your story straight.

Democrats lost sight of that under the Clintons.

Which is also when they kicked a large part of us Catholics out of the party for our insistence that Abortion is evil and demanding that something be done about that evil - pretty much antithetical to the Democrat Orthodoxy.

Posted by Oldspook 2004-08-09 20:55|| 2004-08-09 20:55|| Front Page Top

#59 It will be interesting to see what comes out about John O'Neill. I watched their press conference on CSPAN - I think it was the first one during the primaries. O'Neill was a bit flustered as I think he said that he just came from his wife's sick bed. I thought he said that he had donated a kidney to his wife but I may have been mistaken.
Anyway, I think it's significant that these guys have held their tongue for years and let Kerry rise in power unchecked. Had he gotten walloped in the primaries, I think they would have left things alone. O'Neill is an Edwards supporter but his admiration for Edwards didn't change on Kerry when Edwards was added to the ticket.
It appears to me that they just really don't want Kerry to be Commander in Chief. I agree with them. As for Clinton hatred, I don't think that disgust is equivalent to hatred. I was strongly against Clinton prior to his election because I thought that it was possible for him to do horrible damage to the country from the position of Commander in Chief. I based this on the fact that his crowd was very anti-military. I think my concern bore out in what he did to the country with respect to national defense to a certain extent. He did do wonders for national defense but really the presidentâs job is not to improve the national defense of the PRC, he is supposed to protect and improve our own defense.
With respect to Kerry, his war protest record is not even my biggest concern. I am most concerned that he continued to act as a friend to communist regimes in Vietnam, Nicaragua and Cuba after becoming a Senator.

Posted by Super Hose 2004-08-09 22:50|| 2004-08-09 22:50|| Front Page Top

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