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2004-08-17 Britain

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Posted by Bulldog 2004-08-17 11:05:18 AM|| || Front Page|| [2 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Since when do "radioactive material, toxic gas, chemicals or explosives" constitute nothing more than a "public nuisance"?

Posted by growler 2004-08-17 11:10:44 AM|| 2004-08-17 11:10:44 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 Given the competence of your average jihadi, that's probably all they'd have achieved.

Posted by Bulldog 2004-08-17 11:16:27 AM|| 2004-08-17 11:16:27 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 Dhiren Barot; Mohammed Naveed Bhatti, 24, from Harrow, Middlesex; Abdul Aziz Jalil, 31, from Luton, Bedfordshire; Omar Abdul Rehman, 20 from Bushey, Hertfordshire; Junade Feroze, 28, from Blackburn, Lancashire; Zia Ul Haq, 25, from Paddington, London; Qaisar Shaffi; and Nadeem Tarmohammed.

sounds like an IRA cell to me

Posted by Frank G 2004-08-17 11:21:54 AM|| 2004-08-17 11:21:54 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 Matthew Monks, 32, of Sudbury

Besides that guy, who must've been working for the Sunday Mirror...

Posted by Bulldog 2004-08-17 11:23:42 AM|| 2004-08-17 11:23:42 AM|| Front Page Top

#5 Will these fierce Norsemen stop at nothing to reinstitute the cursed Danegeld?

Posted by dreadnought 2004-08-17 11:34:32 AM|| 2004-08-17 11:34:32 AM|| Front Page Top

#6 DN - Lol! Shoulda signed that as Loki Al Jizz, heh...

Posted by .com 2004-08-17 11:36:00 AM|| 2004-08-17 11:36:00 AM|| Front Page Top

#7 After the initial hue and cry from the Uk Muslim community concerning the innocence of all those held we shall now witness a deafening...

*silence*

Now deport the families.

Posted by Howard UK 2004-08-17 11:41:16 AM|| 2004-08-17 11:41:16 AM|| Front Page Top

#8 This would be (at least part of) the cause of the alerts at the buildings in question. You know, the alerts the Democrats claimed were based on "old intelligence" and were just political ploys.

Can we call them traitors yet?

Posted by Robert Crawford 2004-08-17 12:44:18 PM|| [http://www.kloognome.com] 2004-08-17 12:44:18 PM|| Front Page Top

#9 Howard:

are there ANY UK Muslims who fully support the crackdown? Clearly, this is an obvious cell, hellbent on causing damage and misery. Are there any Muslim leaders in the UK who call for the end of Islamic militancy?

Posted by PlanetDan 2004-08-17 1:18:26 PM|| 2004-08-17 1:18:26 PM|| Front Page Top

#10 Are there any Muslim leaders in the UK who call for the end of Islamic militancy?

PlanetDan: Yes

Posted by Bulldog 2004-08-17 1:25:55 PM|| 2004-08-17 1:25:55 PM|| Front Page Top

#11 At least, the mainstream Muslim leaders reject domestic terrorism. I haven't heard much denouncing of Islamic militancy much further afield...

Posted by Bulldog 2004-08-17 1:29:38 PM|| 2004-08-17 1:29:38 PM|| Front Page Top

#12 Agree with Bulldog - they do support the crackdown, but with reservations. They refuse to see that their community should come under increased scrutiny as a result of recent world events and they appear incapable of reigning in the more extreme factions in the Muslim community - Omar Bakhri Mohamed/ Al-Muj. This adds fuel to the fire amongst the general populace. There were vociferous and multiple condemnations of these arrests from the muslim community as there always is. I'm glad that they've got 'the bad guys' but would love to see the same leaders come forward and publicly eat their humble pie.

Posted by Howard UK 2004-08-17 1:38:35 PM|| 2004-08-17 1:38:35 PM|| Front Page Top

#13 Interesting. A few thoughts:

I can't think of one Muslim organization or constituency here in the USA that claims loudly, repeatedly and unconditionally that Islamic terrorists are shameful and disgusting. The fact that there is even one news article (albeit from April) is encouraging.

I'm relatively sure that even the mainstream Muslim leaders while rejecting domestic terrorism in the UK, fully support the suicide bombers in Israel. Seems to me one cannot have it both ways.

I can't help but believe that it's a small percentage of Muslims who do know something, but do not come forward.

From Sept 11 to the present, I firmly believe that the end of Islamic terrorism will not come from our WoT but from reform from the Muslim community. And while I believe that, I am not convinced they either have the will or are capable of executing that reform.

Posted by PlanetDan 2004-08-17 5:52:38 PM|| 2004-08-17 5:52:38 PM|| Front Page Top

#14 Re #13 (PlanetDan) I can't think of one Muslim organization or constituency here in the USA that claims loudly, repeatedly and unconditionally that Islamic terrorists are shameful and disgusting.

Here's the petition sponsored by the Council on American-Islamic Relations.

We, the undersigned Muslims, wish to state clearly that those who commit acts of terror, murder and cruelty in the name of Islam are not only destroying innocent lives, but are also betraying the values of the faith they claim to represent. No injustice done to Muslims can ever justify the massacre of innocent people, and no act of terror will ever serve the cause of Islam. We repudiate and dissociate ourselves from any Muslim group or individual who commits such brutal and un-Islamic acts. We refuse to allow our faith to be held hostage by the criminal actions of a tiny minority acting outside the teachings of both the Quran and the Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him.

As it states in the Quran: âOh you who believe, stand up firmly for justice, as witnesses to God, even if it be against yourselves, or your parents, or your kin, and whether it be against rich or poor; for God can best protect both. Do not follow any passion, lest you not be just. And if you distort or decline to do justice, verily God is well-acquainted with all that you do.â (Quran 4:135)

Posted by Mike Sylwester 2004-08-17 10:53:51 PM|| 2004-08-17 10:53:51 PM|| Front Page Top

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