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2004-09-01 Caucasus
Hostage Taking in Two Schools in Northern Ossetia
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Posted by True German Ally 2004-09-01 2:30:37 AM|| || Front Page|| [4 views since 2007-05-07]  Top

#1 Reuters Link
Posted by True German Ally 2004-09-01 2:40:31 AM||   2004-09-01 2:40:31 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 Chechen terrorist scumdogs?
Posted by Sock Puppet of Doom 2004-09-01 2:49:44 AM||   2004-09-01 2:49:44 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 Schools, Children...

Who else?
Posted by True German Ally 2004-09-01 2:54:27 AM||   2004-09-01 2:54:27 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 ITAR-TASS talks about 200 children been taken as hostages.

Oh boy. That could be troublesome. Forget about gas this time.

Brave Jihadis. What kind of virgins do you get for killing school children?
Posted by True German Ally 2004-09-01 3:16:13 AM||   2004-09-01 3:16:13 AM|| Front Page Top

#5 Several teacher killed already, terrorists said to wear bomb vests.
Posted by True German Ally 2004-09-01 3:25:16 AM||   2004-09-01 3:25:16 AM|| Front Page Top

#6 Brave Jihadis. What kind of virgins do you get for killing school children?
School children.
Posted by Another Dan 2004-09-01 3:25:40 AM||   2004-09-01 3:25:40 AM|| Front Page Top

#7  This is right out of the Basayev playbook. The plane booms and attacks inside Moscow, the raid into Ingushetia, ect, he's been building up for another grand finale a la the Moscow theater seige.
Posted by Dan Darling  2004-09-01 3:27:50 AM|| [http://www.regnumcrucis.blogspot.com]  2004-09-01 3:27:50 AM|| Front Page Top

#8 time for Putin to take out a Saudi school to show he knows who the hell is paying for this crap.
Posted by Sock Puppet of Doom 2004-09-01 3:28:00 AM||   2004-09-01 3:28:00 AM|| Front Page Top

#9 The "bury in pig skin" approach should really be considered.
Posted by True German Ally 2004-09-01 3:28:03 AM||   2004-09-01 3:28:03 AM|| Front Page Top

#10 Sorry, TGA. I just had a spirited "jihad" discussion with my sister and need to work on the ol' blood pressure. That, plus my spontaneous disgust over this news item may have unintentionally come across as sarcasm. If I've never said it before, thank you for your posts and comments. You're truly one of the main reasons that I keep lurking around here.
Posted by Another Dan 2004-09-01 3:29:39 AM||   2004-09-01 3:29:39 AM|| Front Page Top

#11 Welcome :-)
Posted by True German Ally 2004-09-01 3:31:56 AM||   2004-09-01 3:31:56 AM|| Front Page Top

#12 I wonder if the school is in an ethnic Russian neighborhood? I thought most Ossetians were Muslim. If the hostages are mostly Muslim children, I don't see how this could play well in the wider Islamic audience.
Posted by ed 2004-09-01 3:34:45 AM||   2004-09-01 3:34:45 AM|| Front Page Top

#13 I think the Roman method with some modification could be applied. The condemmed was sewn into a bag with a dog, ape and some other animal. The bag was then tossed into a river. This could be modified with a pig, and a dog. Sew whats left into a pig, head poinitng away from Mecca (after removing the nether regions.) I imagine you would soon find few who would volunteer for "jihad".
Posted by Sock Puppet of Doom 2004-09-01 3:34:56 AM||   2004-09-01 3:34:56 AM|| Front Page Top

#14 Yoo-hoo, Mohammedan scum, Russia isn't Spain.
Posted by Atomic Conspiracy 2004-09-01 3:42:33 AM||   2004-09-01 3:42:33 AM|| Front Page Top

#15 Actually, a minority of Ossettes are Muslims, but most are (or were, pre-USSR) Orthodox Christians. Also, by ethnicity and language, they're Iranian/Persian and not too closely related to anyone else in the immediate neighborhood. Consequently, they're traditionally one of the more Russophile tribes in the Caucasus and don't get along too well with their neighbors, especially the Ingush (kissing cousins to the Chechens). For the handful of you who don't know about South Ossetia (it's been in the news lots lately too), it's part of Georgia and by its own admission wants to return to Moscow's control.

(Sorry. I'm a Caucasus geek.)
Posted by Another Dan 2004-09-01 3:48:40 AM||   2004-09-01 3:48:40 AM|| Front Page Top

#16 CNN has a grainy picture now of a little kid, maybe mid- or -late elementary. How courageous. Also, this town is right inside the border from Ingushetia (close to Chechnya too).
Posted by Another Dan 2004-09-01 3:52:48 AM||   2004-09-01 3:52:48 AM|| Front Page Top

#17 They started school today and parents accompany their kids on their first day at school. Expect a good number of 6 and 7 year olds.

I can't think of anything more despicable and vile (except the apologists spinning the action).

Goodbye Grosny.
Posted by True German Ally 2004-09-01 3:59:49 AM||   2004-09-01 3:59:49 AM|| Front Page Top

#18 And CNN still calls them "armed attackers" and "rebels".
Posted by True German Ally 2004-09-01 4:01:47 AM||   2004-09-01 4:01:47 AM|| Front Page Top

#19 Are these pro-Georgians that want our help holding off the bear? Does the group who is doing this understand that hurting children is most likely to intimidate no one, to convince no one and to win-over no one (except the Palestinians?)

I don't know which side is right in this conflict, but why don't we all support killing these perpetrators and all their associates then we can get back to the argument after we have buried these creeps in a septic tank.
Posted by Super Hose 2004-09-01 4:21:09 AM||   2004-09-01 4:21:09 AM|| Front Page Top

#20 SH, the previous Georgian administrations (especially Gamsakhurdia but, to a lesser extent, Shevardnadze too) tended to buddy-up with the Chechens. And yes, Georgia is now our buddy. So the friend of our friend is our enemy, in this case.
My dream scenario would be for Saakashvili and Putin to reach a behind-closed-doors deal, with Georgia cutting the Chechens loose in exchange for Putin dropping the S. Ossetian and Abkhazian mafia states. Then the alignments would all make sense.
I can dream, can't I?
Posted by Another Dan 2004-09-01 4:35:22 AM||   2004-09-01 4:35:22 AM|| Front Page Top

#21 Dan, I am up for any deal that brings peace as long as these child molesters are stacked like cord-wood prior to negotiations.
Posted by Super Hose 2004-09-01 4:37:31 AM||   2004-09-01 4:37:31 AM|| Front Page Top

#22 (raises a cup to Super Hose's sentiments)
Posted by Another Dan 2004-09-01 4:45:47 AM||   2004-09-01 4:45:47 AM|| Front Page Top

#23 Before I shuffle along to bed, here's a recent article with some background on the Ossetians (heavier on the south than the north). Be warned: Gary Brecher's amoral nihilism is pretty non-Rantburgish (his Moore-esque appearance doesn't help), but he still knows the area.
Posted by Another Dan 2004-09-01 4:57:54 AM||   2004-09-01 4:57:54 AM|| Front Page Top

#24 I'll be very surprised if this turns out to be anyone other than Chechens. Some/all of the attackers are wearning bomb belts, both sexes, sounds like a re-run of the Moscow theatre siege.

Difficult to imageine getting lower than this (but I'm sure they'll try...)
Posted by Lux 2004-09-01 5:10:20 AM||   2004-09-01 5:10:20 AM|| Front Page Top

#25 according to the Guardian (for what thats worth, offcourse)the hostage-count is 400.
Posted by Heysenbergmayhavebeenhere 2004-09-01 5:11:24 AM||   2004-09-01 5:11:24 AM|| Front Page Top

#26 The beeb says "Russian officials are quoted as saying that 17 armed men and women, some wearing explosive belts, seized the school in Beslan, North Ossetia."
Thats a Chechen MO.
Posted by Sock Puppet of Doom 2004-09-01 5:21:59 AM||   2004-09-01 5:21:59 AM|| Front Page Top

#27 ANY - COMMENTS - FROM - OUR - REGULAR - ISLAMOMURDER - APOLOGISTS - ?

Reports say they've already killed some teachers. Does that give you a warm glow, Gentle?
Posted by Bulldog  2004-09-01 5:34:35 AM||   2004-09-01 5:34:35 AM|| Front Page Top

#28 Not a lot - should imagine shit-fer-brains Murat and Gentle are whipping themselves into a frenzy of ululation over the latest atrocity committed by their ilk.
Posted by Howard UK 2004-09-01 6:04:27 AM||   2004-09-01 6:04:27 AM|| Front Page Top

#29 I think the Roman method with some modification could be applied.

I think the method the Romans applied to the Spartacists should be applied. From Grozny to Petropavlosk.
Posted by Robert Crawford  2004-09-01 6:59:20 AM|| [http://www.kloognome.com/]  2004-09-01 6:59:20 AM|| Front Page Top

#30 Don't be hasty brainless dUcK, nobody can be happy about child murderers (Bush included), they are worse than terrorists
Posted by Murat 2004-09-01 7:37:53 AM||   2004-09-01 7:37:53 AM|| Front Page Top

#31 How many of those dead Armenian kids did your grandad murder eh, Murat?
Posted by Anonymous6234 2004-09-01 7:46:40 AM||   2004-09-01 7:46:40 AM|| Front Page Top

#32 None, the "Armenian genocide" is nothing more than a fairytale with lots of fabrications
Posted by Murat 2004-09-01 7:55:03 AM||   2004-09-01 7:55:03 AM|| Front Page Top

#33 Murat, you just keep getting more and more and more disgusting.
Posted by Robert Crawford  2004-09-01 7:57:17 AM|| [http://www.kloognome.com]  2004-09-01 7:57:17 AM|| Front Page Top

#34 Naturally the demons in the school are demanding the release of prisoners, the most common of Mohammedan terrorist demands, and the most frequently appeased.

If any harm comes to those children, if some are rescued but others are not, then every prisoner whose release was demanded should be shot or hanged at once and the video broadcast all over the Muslim world.

Bush and Sharon can't do this kind of medieval stuff, Putin can and the Russian street would cheer him for it.
Posted by Atomic Conspiracy 2004-09-01 8:07:17 AM||   2004-09-01 8:07:17 AM|| Front Page Top

#35 Coming to a theater of war near you: Vlad the Impaler, Part 2.
Posted by Atomic Conspiracy 2004-09-01 8:08:45 AM||   2004-09-01 8:08:45 AM|| Front Page Top

#36 Coming to a theater of war near you: Vlad the Impaler

Yep I admit, that one is killed by my grandpa.
Posted by Murat 2004-09-01 8:33:34 AM||   2004-09-01 8:33:34 AM|| Front Page Top

#37 Bush and Sharon can't do this kind of medieval stuff, Putin can and the Russian street would cheer him for it.

But can the CIA, I mean supporting Chechen rebels against Russians, worked in Afghanistan.
Posted by Murat 2004-09-01 8:35:17 AM||   2004-09-01 8:35:17 AM|| Front Page Top

#38 Take your drooling dope fantasy conspiracy fantasies to someone who will buy them, Murat. I suggest the Euro media you sold your soul to. Maybe you can buy it back and sell it to the Iranians for TWO of their many-times-recycled 60s dope-fantasies.

You backward-ass baboons amaze me. You are literally stuck in the 1960s, enslaved by every word some asshat on tv tells you, and not realizing that this is an obsolete American method, even as you make your make your pathetic pig-squeals attempting to demonize us with it.

Your grandpa never killed anything but the dogs they cooked for dinner.
Posted by Atomic Conspiracy 2004-09-01 8:42:17 AM||   2004-09-01 8:42:17 AM|| Front Page Top

#39 If they want prisoners released, I say put them in a truck and send them to grozny. Then, if the children are released or not, make the rubble bounce in grozny. Fuck these animals. Where's our islamo-whore gentle at to defend these scum? Huh? Where are you whore? These are YOUR people. Fine, upstanding muslim scum. Islam has truly become a pestilence upon our world. And if you people don't clean up your act and join the civilized world, well, we'll end you. We'll have no choice.

scum sucking pieces of pig shit.
Posted by AllahHateMe 2004-09-01 8:52:06 AM||   2004-09-01 8:52:06 AM|| Front Page Top

#40 A father of one of the children was killed when he tried to stop the child-hostage takers.

Muslims better take a close look at what is happening in Nepal. People are sick of Islam's evil ways.
Posted by TS(vice girl) 2004-09-01 9:01:41 AM||   2004-09-01 9:01:41 AM|| Front Page Top

#41 On #18 (TGA): CNN just gets worse and worse. Isn't most of it owned by the Saudis?
Posted by Bryan 2004-09-01 9:06:44 AM||   2004-09-01 9:06:44 AM|| Front Page Top

#42 Russian-imposed media blackout in Chechnya in 5... 4... 3... 2... 1...
Posted by Bulldog  2004-09-01 9:11:26 AM||   2004-09-01 9:11:26 AM|| Front Page Top

#43 Take each terrorist in jail whose release they are demanding, and suspend them head down in a black cauldron of bubbling pig's blood, once every 10 minutes, until the children are released.
Posted by Ptah  2004-09-01 9:21:44 AM|| [http://www.crusaderwarcollege.org]  2004-09-01 9:21:44 AM|| Front Page Top

#44 ...nobody can be happy about child murderers...

Except the Palestinian Authority.
Posted by jules 187 2004-09-01 9:37:22 AM||   2004-09-01 9:37:22 AM|| Front Page Top

#45 Sorry. I'm a Caucasus geek

Dont apologize - geekie info of this sort is why many of us come here - and put up with all the BS.
Posted by Liberalhawk 2004-09-01 9:41:37 AM||   2004-09-01 9:41:37 AM|| Front Page Top

#46 ...the "Armenian genocide" is nothing more than a fairytale with lots of fabrications

Yeah. About half a million. Right, douchebag?
Posted by tu3031 2004-09-01 9:51:45 AM||   2004-09-01 9:51:45 AM|| Front Page Top

#47 8 people killed so far...no word on if any of them are children.
Of course if it's 8 adults, then the children just watched their parents be slaughtered.
Posted by TS(vice girl) 2004-09-01 9:53:16 AM||   2004-09-01 9:53:16 AM|| Front Page Top

#48 Bush and Sharon can't do this kind of medieval stuff, Putin can and the Russian street would cheer him for it.

Correction: Bush (Blair) and Sharon can't do this -- yet. Give a few more attacks by these 'big brave muslims warriors for Islam' and they would be cheered on as well.

BTW: Where are the mythical moderate muslims? 'Religion of Peace' my ass.

TS (vice girl) having children watch their parents get slaughtered is the muslim way.
Posted by CrazyFool  2004-09-01 10:00:43 AM||   2004-09-01 10:00:43 AM|| Front Page Top

#49 TS, where are you getting your info? Much as I would like to today, I can't stay at the computer all day. Thanks, and thanks for all your posts -- you do good (yes, yes to all you other grammer-philes, I do know it should be 'well'. But I was going for rhetorical emphasis!)
Posted by trailing wife 2004-09-01 10:07:45 AM||   2004-09-01 10:07:45 AM|| Front Page Top

#50 Try 1.5 million (range 1-2 million) killed between 1915-1918 by Turks, Kurds, and Arabs. But many massacres occured in the years preceeding it. For example, in 1895, 100,000-300,000 were massacred by the Turks. Your usual Muslim genocide tactics. Kill men, old folks, children. Rape and kill or slave marriage for the younger women and girls. Confiscation of all goods and property and deny, deny, deny.

A synopsis: http://www.armenian-genocide.org/Education.56/current_category.117/resourceguide_detail.html
Posted by ed 2004-09-01 10:10:02 AM||   2004-09-01 10:10:02 AM|| Front Page Top

#51  MOSCOW, Russia (CNN) -- Seven people were killed as armed attackers stormed a school in southern Russia and took at least 100 people hostage, Russian media said.
...
Interfax reported at least 100 people inside the school with the hostage-takers; Russian state television, however, said the number was as high as 300.

Interfax said the hostage-takers had threatened to kill 50 children for each of their number killed by Russian forces and 20 for each wounded. ...
Posted by ed 2004-09-01 10:23:18 AM||   2004-09-01 10:23:18 AM|| Front Page Top

#52 Time to call John McClain.
Posted by Chris W.  2004-09-01 10:39:23 AM||   2004-09-01 10:39:23 AM|| Front Page Top

#53 #15 (Sorry. I'm a Caucasus geek.) Nada. Thanks for your contribution. I hang around Rantburg to drink from the various deep wells of knowledge. That,and to watch while a few unsuspecting trolls get the shit kicked out of them.
Posted by GK 2004-09-01 10:45:24 AM||   2004-09-01 10:45:24 AM|| Front Page Top

#54 trailing wife- Thanks
Posted by TS(vice girl) 2004-09-01 10:47:37 AM||   2004-09-01 10:47:37 AM|| Front Page Top

#55 Watching the video clip of the little girl and the babushka being hustled to safety, I'm not struck with the impression those troops are very well trained. Half of them are not wearing helmets, and one guy crossing the street sideways with his AK pointed from the hip seems to have watched too many war movies. Does Russia still use conscription?
Posted by Dar  2004-09-01 11:01:55 AM||   2004-09-01 11:01:55 AM|| Front Page Top

#56 Does Russia still use conscription?

Does a bear shit in the woods?
Posted by Robert Crawford  2004-09-01 11:03:18 AM|| [http://www.kloognome.com]  2004-09-01 11:03:18 AM|| Front Page Top

#57 Radio reports they have kids in front of windows as human shields.
Posted by Steve  2004-09-01 11:03:30 AM||   2004-09-01 11:03:30 AM|| Front Page Top

#58 'Logic and Sanity', blogger speaks Russian, is updating every 5-15 mins.
Link
Posted by TS(vice girl) 2004-09-01 11:03:43 AM||   2004-09-01 11:03:43 AM|| Front Page Top

#59 RC--Just asking. Thought things might have changed since the USSR fell apart, but apparently they haven't.

TS--Thanks for the L and S link--very interesting stuff. The Egyptian flight with the two Chechen women is quite intriguing.
Posted by Dar  2004-09-01 11:59:22 AM||   2004-09-01 11:59:22 AM|| Front Page Top

#60 Thanks ed (#50). Murat is not an educated man. I don't even know why people talk to him--but when he's spouting nonsense, I suppose a response is necessary.

from the posts: "if it's 8 adults, then the children just watched their parents be slaughtered"

". . . People are sick of Islam's evil ways"

Got that right.
Posted by ex-lib 2004-09-01 12:02:54 PM||   2004-09-01 12:02:54 PM|| Front Page Top

#61 Unfort'y Russia's got a bigger problem: the incompetence, corruption and demoralization afflicting the Russian Army. No way they can crush the rebellion until they fix their crumbling military house.
Posted by lex 2004-09-01 12:14:06 PM||   2004-09-01 12:14:06 PM|| Front Page Top

#62 Time for the US to get serious about close cooperation with Russia. Pay the Russian nuclear engineering companies whatever they need to stop supplying Iran. Step up intel and military cooperation. Let NATO die a quiet death and replace it with a new Entente comprising US, Russia, India, Israel and Turkey.
Posted by lex 2004-09-01 12:18:54 PM||   2004-09-01 12:18:54 PM|| Front Page Top

#63 It's starting to get dark now, and the parents are gathered together waiting outside the school.
Posted by TS(vice girl) 2004-09-01 12:37:20 PM||   2004-09-01 12:37:20 PM|| Front Page Top

#64 lex: Drop Turkey....they pretty much stabbed us in the back by not letting the 4th ID come down through Kurdistan. Can't count on em.
Posted by Rex Mundi 2004-09-01 12:48:44 PM||   2004-09-01 12:48:44 PM|| Front Page Top

#65 I agree with Lex 100%. Russia should dump concription in favor of a profesional volunteer army. They should work with the US to see how we fight with so few casualties, and they should rethink their entire war on Chechnya.

They should evacuate the Russian population from Chechnya. In the process of evacuation they should have a scorched earth policy. Take out power lines, power plants, and sewage facilities. All of the infrastructure the Russians built up should be taken out (nice place to test an EMP). Kill Chechnyan terrorists currently held prisoner and dump the bodies into Chechnya. Then arm the Chechnyan border and declare the conflict over. If Chechnyans want the land let them have it, but not on their terms. In the future the entire area can become a free-fire zone if the Chechyans misbehave and a very strong message is sent to those that might get similar ideas.
Posted by RJ Schwarz 2004-09-01 12:51:55 PM|| [http://politicaljunky.blogspot.com]  2004-09-01 12:51:55 PM|| Front Page Top

#66 Not to mention that Turkey's going Islamist.
Posted by Robert Crawford  2004-09-01 12:52:00 PM|| [http://www.kloognome.com]  2004-09-01 12:52:00 PM|| Front Page Top

#67 Yeah, fuck off, get out of Incirlik airbase.
Posted by Murat 2004-09-01 12:53:36 PM||   2004-09-01 12:53:36 PM|| Front Page Top

#68 Hey Murat - I don't usually address trolls...but you must be very proud today. Go look at the picture of that little girl under rantburg's headline. And those people uulating over the bombing of Israelis. Planes blown up by bombs. Body parts everywhere. It's a good day for you, isn't it. You must feel big.

Today is a day that may or may not make the history books - but it should. Today is a day when the rose-colored goggles were stripped from the eyes of the civilized world. Nothing will be the same, from this point forward. Some will say it was 9-11 that opened our eyes - but even then, we were still naive. Today we finally understand what we are facing.

It should scare you Murat. Did you see the story about the mob attacking the mosque?

You've been able to mask your evil nature behind platitudes and slogans...thanks to our goodness. Not anymore.

The picture of the little girl just killed something good in me, and I'm sure I'm not the only one.

Fuck you, Murat. You and those like you deserve all that is coming your way.
Posted by B 2004-09-01 1:14:24 PM||   2004-09-01 1:14:24 PM|| Front Page Top

#69 Murat:

What you don't seem to grasp is that, since Turkey has a SENSE of what it's like to be a progressive, prosperous country, they will ALWAYS side with the West. That means they will quash the 14th century baboons who try to derail progress. And they'll do it in an "unislamic" way (which means they'll do it in an islamic way).
Posted by PlanetDan  2004-09-01 1:14:36 PM||   2004-09-01 1:14:36 PM|| Front Page Top

#70 From Logic and Sanity
21 year old Kazik brought his sister to school. He tells the journalist what he witnessed.

Around 9 am, an old truck pulled up and about 20 heavily armed terrorists dressed in black and wear black masks and 4 women with bomb belts came out.
Children started to run. Those who were standing closest to the street were able to make it out. Terorrists starting pushing others, and throwing some children through windows (!!!).

And elderly woman was shot, and a girl who looked like an 11th grader was shot in the back. She died on the spot.

I'm with you B, this totally pisses me off. If the 'moderate muslims' don't denounce this we will surely know they dont exist. Some cancers need to be cut out and some people simply need to be killed dead.
Posted by CrazyFool  2004-09-01 1:41:12 PM||   2004-09-01 1:41:12 PM|| Front Page Top

#71 RJ Schwartz : I have expressed the idea of evacuating the ethnic Russians and Torching the rest also. I think about this after hearing about body parts strewn in Moscow in the wake of a bombing by the Chechen homicidal dupe.

These kids being taken hostage is so far beyond the pale, that if the Russians ever get the upper hand on these Islamofacist bozos, and can take them alive, they ought to be executed and the bodies thrown in a pit and covered with pork lard.

It should shown live on all TV channels simultaneously in the Moslem areas of Russia, with the phrase "This is what we do to the butchers of children", along with cut-ins of the video of the standoff so there is no misunderstanding.

The Moslems are not all suicidal, and maybe the ones who see this "show" and desire to live, can turn in the would-be terrorists, who can be chemically induced to give up information (future plans & contacts, etc.). . .

Allright. Now I can calm down. I have a 4-yr old son. I feel for those worried parents.
Posted by BigEd 2004-09-01 2:00:21 PM||   2004-09-01 2:00:21 PM|| Front Page Top

#72 psst..Murat – your trojan attempt failed. Like everything else in your hateful world.

You can’t win. Because even if you were to kill each and everything good in this world – you’d be left in the little hate filled universe you have created for yourself.

Ever see Oklahoma? You are the guy who wastes away in his little sweaty room, missing all of the beauty in world outside.

You’ll never be able to kill the beauty of our ideas and our spirit. Not even death can take it from us. And the more you try, the more you will be surrounded by the evil and darkness that will destroy any chance you have experiencing happiness.

It’s a hell of your own making. Go ahead and rot in it. Take the mental picture of that little girl with you…apparently it gives you delight. You are sad.

As for me, I’m going to log off and go take a shower to get the stench of your being out of my system. I’m going outside to enjoy the sunshine.
Posted by B 2004-09-01 2:06:41 PM||   2004-09-01 2:06:41 PM|| Front Page Top

#73 Some moderate Muslims will denounce it...because they are worried about the damage it will do to Islam's image.
Posted by TS(vice girl) 2004-09-01 2:15:01 PM||   2004-09-01 2:15:01 PM|| Front Page Top

#74 Truth hurts doesn't it Murat. Turkey had it's chance, and it farted it away. Turkey's military says it guarantees a non islamic state - and that's about as much as we can hope for and even that's a stretch.
Posted by Rex Mundi 2004-09-01 2:24:20 PM||   2004-09-01 2:24:20 PM|| Front Page Top

#75  Hell, just have the Russians start rounding up all of the known or former terrorists families up in Chechneya, and televise the executions to the terorists. Let them see their screaming pleading wives, brothers, and children, die as they kill people off.

Murat...Fantasy, huh? ...pathetic, who writes your stuff? Goebbels?
Posted by 98zulu 2004-09-01 2:50:09 PM||   2004-09-01 2:50:09 PM|| Front Page Top

#76 You’ll never be able to kill the beauty of our ideas and our spirit. Not even death can take it from us. And the more you try, the more you will be surrounded by the evil and darkness that will destroy any chance you have experiencing happiness

Nice.

Princess Leiya(sp) your monologue writer? :o)
Posted by badanov  2004-09-01 2:52:13 PM|| [http://www.rkka.org]  2004-09-01 2:52:13 PM|| Front Page Top

#77 It must feel just a little odd to live in a state like Turkey where the great liberal force is the army. Poor old Murat. We can't leave Incuntlik it's way too vital to US hegemony. We'd loose Israel, Iraq, Japan and Hawaii without it. Get out the paint and make the bullseye. By the way hows the Turko Navy mindsweeping capability? Zilch you say?
Posted by Shipman 2004-09-01 3:41:05 PM||   2004-09-01 3:41:05 PM|| Front Page Top

#78 #13 The condemmed was sewn into a bag with a dog, ape and some other animal. The bag was then tossed into a river.

SPoD, I've read that it was a dog, cat and rooster, thus encouraging the maximum amount of mayhem from the animals' quarreling prior to drowning. A pig just isn't going to provide the damage quotient desired deserved here. I would have to go with a fully tusked wild boar or warthog for maximum entertainment value.

#32 ... the "Armenian genocide" is nothing more than a fairytale with lots of fabrications

Murat, I invite you to make up a big sign with your above words and then carry it around downtown Yerevan at noontime. I'd give you about 30 seconds to live. People who deny genocide are among the lowest scum there are. I usually do not resort to insult, but for you, I'll make an exception. Islamists seek global cultural genocide and your denying an obvious example of it puts you squarely in the camp of those who seek it. You are morally void.

#62 Pay the Russian nuclear engineering companies whatever they need to stop supplying Iran.

lex, thank you for connecting the dots here about Russia and Iran. The Russians are already being paid for assisting the Iranians, right now. This is exactly what they deserve for helping arm Iran and their terrorist scum. I cannot and do not wish it upon so many innocent children, but no one in their right mind could possibly exclude exactly this sort of scenario as a direct result of bolstering terrorist ends. If the exploding airliners didn't do it, then this atrocity-in-the-making should serve as the big wakeup call Russia has been begging for on its hands and knees.

Putin deserves to have this albatross hung squarely around his bloodstained neck.

Immediately after 9-11, I openly advocated carpet bombing Kandahar to nail mullah Omar and send a message in general. This would have been a war crime, and as a consequence I am glad it did not happen, despite how we missed a perfect opportunity to take out a huge gathering of Taleban clerics only days before our invasion.

I see nothing worthy of surprise about this schoolchildren hostage crisis. Islamists have no limits to their perfidy and this is only another example of it. If they could find a large enough nursery school, they'd storm it too. I hope everyone notes the lack of any headlines devoted to moderate Muslims denouncing this atrocity. Once again, Islam's silence is thundering.

There's not much sand left in the hourglass before Islam is dismantled by an outraged world that is sick to death of this evil. If Muslims had any brains, they would send squadrons of their own fighters into Checnya and begin cleaning out the terrorists in a demonstration of their resolve to combat this malignancy. Only this sort of direct Islamic retaliation against such defiling of their religion will persuade the outside world of their worth as a faith. Otherwise, Islam will soon enough have a chance to kiss their collective kneeling @sses goodbye.
Posted by Anonymous6166 2004-09-01 4:15:56 PM||   2004-09-01 4:15:56 PM|| Front Page Top

#79 Righteous, A6166 - got a name / nym? Stick around - you've got a solid handle on the situation. Plz pick a posting handle so we can connect this post to your future posts. Thx for this one, spot-on!
Posted by .com 2004-09-01 4:21:08 PM||   2004-09-01 4:21:08 PM|| Front Page Top

#80 'Zat you Zen? Lol!
Posted by .com 2004-09-01 4:32:48 PM||   2004-09-01 4:32:48 PM|| Front Page Top

#81 Anonymous6166 = Zenster.

Yup!
Posted by Anonymous6166 2004-09-01 4:46:27 PM||   2004-09-01 4:46:27 PM|| Front Page Top

#82 Islam's silence is thundering. So true.

I guess the only silver lining is that they just guaranteed Bush's reelection.

Badnov - heh, I guess I sound a bit goofy - but these people are causing me to think of things like good and evil. How dark does your mind have to be to find a way to not only justify, but to enjoy these events.

I'm afraid for what is coming next. We are capable of terrible things - every war has proven that. It's no longer a question of if, but when.
Posted by B 2004-09-01 5:32:19 PM||   2004-09-01 5:32:19 PM|| Front Page Top

#83 The hell with idiots like Murat. We need to get Turkey into the EU-- showing them in the process that France by opposing Turkey's membership has thrown in its lot with the jihadists-- in exchange for a separate cooperation agreement involving us, Turkey, Israel and India. We can manage the Russian relnship separately and eventually fold it into a Eurasian Security Organization.
Posted by lex 2004-09-01 5:44:39 PM||   2004-09-01 5:44:39 PM|| Front Page Top

#84 I feel you're correct B. I have a horrible foreboding of what may happen.

There was a post on Wretchard, the "Three Conjectures" post I think, where he said that if it wasn't America (or the West) that destroyed Islam, it would be the Russians or the Chinese.

There is a dreadful inevitability of events unfolding here, which we seem powerless to stop; the Islamists will keep pushing to higher (lower?) levels of atrocity, all the while claiming to be persecuted, until finally they detonate a bomb (or ten), or release a toxin (or ten), and the World finally says 'enough'.

I've seen precious little from the Islamic world since 9/11 to make me believe they realise how phenomenally high the stakes are, certainly no blanket condemnation, no Islamic 'murder squads' to excise the cancer in their religion - nothing.

Perhaps the joke about why aren't there any Arabs in Star Trek isn't a joke - it's a prophecy.
Posted by Tony (UK) 2004-09-01 5:50:17 PM||   2004-09-01 5:50:17 PM|| Front Page Top

#85 There is a dreadful inevitability of events unfolding here, which we seem powerless to stop;

It's a shame that the Muslims don't realize this as the mob in Nepal is just the first shot across the bow. They could stop it if they wanted to - but its now clear that they won't.

I've always said that Putin will inevitably join the US in this fight out of sheer naked interest. He's jabbering with France and Germany right now - but its clear that bandwagon has no engine.
Posted by B 2004-09-01 6:04:06 PM||   2004-09-01 6:04:06 PM|| Front Page Top

#86 oops...self-interest. Muslims everywhere should hope nothing happens to those children. Blaming Putin isn't goint to work this time around.
Posted by B 2004-09-01 6:07:57 PM||   2004-09-01 6:07:57 PM|| Front Page Top

#87 SPETSNAZ troups at location now
Posted by True German Ally 2004-09-01 6:25:33 PM||   2004-09-01 6:25:33 PM|| Front Page Top

#88 Looks like someones going to have their share of raisins sooner rather than later ... good.
Posted by Tony (UK) 2004-09-01 6:28:34 PM||   2004-09-01 6:28:34 PM|| Front Page Top

#89 "I've seen precious little from the Islamic world since 9/11 to make me believe they realise how phenomenally high the stakes are, certainly no blanket condemnation, no Islamic 'murder squads' to excise the cancer in their religion - nothing."

Same here-- I've seen absolutely nothing to support the notion that Islam is a "religion of peace", or for that matter that it's anything other than a primitive murder cult.
Posted by Dave D. 2004-09-01 6:39:50 PM||   2004-09-01 6:39:50 PM|| Front Page Top

#90 #84 There was a post on Wretchard, the "Three Conjectures" post I think, where he said that if it wasn't America (or the West) that destroyed Islam, it would be the Russians or the Chinese.

Here's the link, Tony. This piece should be required reading for anyone wishing to have an informed opinion regarding the war on terrorism. It also needs to be distributed throughout every mosque in the entire world. Muslims somehow manage to ignore the way Islamists are playing with matches in a powder magazine. This is literally going to blow up in their collective faces.

Here's the exact passage you were referring to, Tony:

The most startling result of this analysis is that a catastrophic outcome for Islam is guaranteed whether America retaliates or not. Even if the President decided to let all Americans die to expiate their historical guilt, why would Islamic terrorists stop after that? They would move on to Europe and Asia until finally China, Russia, Japan, India or Israel, none of them squeamish, wrote -1 x 10^9 in the final right hand column. They too would be prisoners of the same dynamic, and they too have weapons of mass destruction.
Posted by Zenster 2004-09-01 7:05:52 PM||   2004-09-01 7:05:52 PM|| Front Page Top

#91 Nice to see Murat's trolling didn't go unnoticed or unresponded to - Steve White, still think he's an alright, but slightly misguided, guy? I scraped better off my shoe where an inattentive owner walked their dog
Posted by Frank G  2004-09-01 7:11:42 PM||   2004-09-01 7:11:42 PM|| Front Page Top

#92 How dark does your mind have to be to find a way to not only justify, but to enjoy these events.

So dark that it can only be illuminated by the flash of a nuclear bomb.
Posted by Anonymous6166 2004-09-01 7:13:46 PM||   2004-09-01 7:13:46 PM|| Front Page Top

#93 OK - NTV new report : with the help of freetranslation.com as of 03:00 AM Moscow time Thursday

The gangsters have decided, those who began the storm and opened shooting not to communicate . . .


As the chief of a North Caucasian bureau of NTV Ruslan of Hussars informs from Beslan, the situation near the school seized by gangsters remains the same, as it was an hour back. It means that terrorists, though with them communication(connection) is established, very badly goes contact. And, as a rule, these contacts have unilateral character.

Still terrorists do not allow to bring into the school food stuffs and water for children. And now it, perhaps, it is the most important problem, concerning the school staff.

All efforts of the school staff at present, according to their representative, are directed on somehow all the same to transfer children and other hostages food stuffs and water.
Posted by BigEd 2004-09-01 7:20:30 PM||   2004-09-01 7:20:30 PM|| Front Page Top

#94 Here is the story on Islam Online

They refer to the Terrorists as 'attackers' or 'hostage-takers'.

No mention on the terrorists being muslim. No Denouncement so far.
Posted by CrazyFool  2004-09-01 7:35:10 PM||   2004-09-01 7:35:10 PM|| Front Page Top

#95 'attackers' or 'hostage-takers' ?????

The Russians use 'terrorists'
They also use 'bandits', and 'gangsters' (see my post #93)

Attackers is a neutral term. How P C!
And, Islamicists view hostage-takers as heroic, don't they?

Who is more descriptive?
Posted by BigEd 2004-09-01 7:49:35 PM||   2004-09-01 7:49:35 PM|| Front Page Top

#96 Was just listening to the replay of Sean Hannity's afternoon show. The round table of Sean, Neal Boortz, Dennis Prager and (via telephone) Ann Coulter were just lamenting the same lack of attribution.
Posted by eLarson 2004-09-01 9:08:19 PM|| [http://larsonian.blogspot.com]  2004-09-01 9:08:19 PM|| Front Page Top

#97 True German Ally et al are on to something. CNN...ABC News... are not on the side of the American people. Their propoganda for the enemy in a time of war is dangerous.
Posted by JP 2004-09-01 10:06:32 PM||   2004-09-01 10:06:32 PM|| Front Page Top

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