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2004-09-05 Caucasus

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Posted by Mrs. Davis 2004-09-05 10:30:49 PM|| || Front Page|| [1 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 The deaths were a fore ordained fact. The terrs had no intention of leaving that school and leaving anyone alive. The fact that the first thing they did was kill a number of men to insure there was no resistance in the school was but a prelude to their main intention. They wanted to drag it out as long as possible, killing as many as needed to keep the TV cameras and reporters in the number one spot on every outlet in the world. I am sure they intended to go out in a blaze of glory taking many "infidels" with them to be their servants in heaven.

The fact that the Russian military and police are not up to an event involving these people is not such suprise. I expect there is about only three groups that could counter these tactics, SAS, Delta Force and what every Isreal has. Get real folks, as long as you are only reacting to these shits, you are going to be behind the curve.

Posted by Old Fogey 2004-09-05 12:24:33 AM|| 2004-09-05 12:24:33 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 Oleg Gordievsky: Only part of the Spetsnaz's reputation is justified. They are certainly brutal. But they are not efficient, and never have been - even in the old days of the Cold War, when they were well financed.

I'm not sure it is entirely fair to blame problems with rescue operations on the Spetznaz. Hostage rescue is a whole different undertaking from traditional commando operations, where the mission is either surveillance of enemy operations or lightning attack and retreat. Soldiers are trained to kill people. Getting people out alive takes special skills that require a lot of preparation. It's not clear that the Spetznaz was prepared for hostage rescue ops. Note that Germany's commandoes weren't able to rescue any of the athletes held hostage at the 1972 Munich Olympics either.

Posted by Zhang Fei 2004-09-05 2:14:53 AM|| [http://timurileng.blogspot.com] 2004-09-05 2:14:53 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 It was the German police in 1972 and they had absolutely no training in hostage rescue. Nobody did really. 1972 was the event that lead to HRT's being created and trained around the world. I even saw an interview were one of the Israeli's they talked said that it was simply assumed that Germans being German, meant the police would take them out easily, but since WWII, Germany really didn't have any kind of special forces.

Posted by Silentbrick 2004-09-05 3:39:57 AM|| 2004-09-05 3:39:57 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 bleh. Judging from the comments of my leftie friends, the distraction from blaming terrorists to blaming Putin is effectively giving them talking points that allow them not to dwell on the obvious - that we are involved in a war for our very survival.

Posted by B 2004-09-05 9:40:11 AM|| 2004-09-05 9:40:11 AM|| Front Page Top

#5 OF: "The fact that the Russian military and police are not up to an event involving these people is not such suprise. I expect there is about only three groups that could counter these tactics, SAS, Delta Force and what every Isreal has. "

I would add France's GIGN and Germany's GSG9 to your list. Also, FBI's Hostage Response Team is probably underrated. For all of the silliness of Europe's governments, they have some decent ops, developed in responce to Munich, the RAF/SPK,etc. I don't know if EUROPOL has an anti-terror unit- wouldn't suprise me.

OF:"Get real folks, as long as you are only reacting to these shits, you are going to be behind the curve."

Agreed...

Posted by Anonymous6035 2004-09-05 2:10:26 PM|| 2004-09-05 2:10:26 PM|| Front Page Top

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