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2004-09-08 Russia
Russia willing to strike terrorists "anywhere in the world"
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Posted by Atomic Conspiracy 2004-09-08 5:47:20 AM|| || Front Page|| [4 views since 2007-05-07]  Top

#1 AC, no doubt they did. But I think they do have it in reserve for a target rich environment, somewhere south of Caucasus mtn range, or even south-west of it. Then further down, there presents itself an opportunity to test in silicon rich environment, maybe they could produce tectites, or sheets of glass, who knows.

Speaking of target rich environment...

For some reason, I can't post neither news links nor articles, (submissions do not appear after posting), so here is mentioned instead.

Israel kills Hamas fanatics on parade.
Posted by Zarathustra  2004-09-08 5:59:13 AM||   2004-09-08 5:59:13 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 The first time I saw someone "Nuke Mecca!" just after 9-11, I thought they were crazier than a March hare.
Now, we are actually at that point.
Satanic Arabia is an obvious target, and Mecca is the one place where there is no chance of frying any Americans, other than a few Islamo quislings we could happily do without.
Posted by Atomic Conspiracy 2004-09-08 6:12:44 AM||   2004-09-08 6:12:44 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 errr, should read "someone post 'Nuke Mecca' after 9-11."
Posted by Atomic Conspiracy 2004-09-08 6:14:14 AM||   2004-09-08 6:14:14 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 Yikes! This link will work, with any luck.
Posted by Atomic Conspiracy 2004-09-08 6:26:53 AM||   2004-09-08 6:26:53 AM|| Front Page Top

#5 Zarathustra I tried to post the link as well. It's is not functioning on this end or is "holding".
Posted by Sock Puppet of Doom 2004-09-08 6:44:48 AM||   2004-09-08 6:44:48 AM|| Front Page Top

#6 Well, there is a little problem. If Über-Wahhabis had their way, they would level Mecca themselves. They already got away with destruction of some structures, despite protests of muslims elsewhere. They also see Kaaba as a source of idolatry. Yea, utter nutz, don't tell me. The only thing that prevents them is that hajj is a source of sizable revenue for Fraudis and keeps the other muslims in a form of servitude to holders of keys.

So, I am not sure how nukin' Mecca would play itself out. Wahhabis may percieve it as a victory--the enemy was led by the hand of Allan, while the rest of the muslims may get really mad.
Or, they may realize that if Allan couldn't protect Mecca, then what kind of omnipotent deity is he... I dunno.

Kingdom of Satanic Arabia can be tackled conventionally in one-two weeks. But if one would use some fast particles, neutron weapons may be a better choice.
There are targets more suitable for nukin', as I am concerned. After all's done, Mecca may be a cherry on the icing, a final exclamation mark in the whole story.
Posted by Zarathustra  2004-09-08 6:45:21 AM||   2004-09-08 6:45:21 AM|| Front Page Top

#7 "Russia says it could strike terrorist bases anywhere"

Except Iran, Iraq, Damascus, Lebanon, West Bank, Gaza Strip.....

But maybe I'm jumping the gun (excuse the pun).
Posted by Bryan 2004-09-08 7:27:10 AM||   2004-09-08 7:27:10 AM|| Front Page Top

#8  "However, this does not mean that we will launch nuclear strikes."

But then again it doesn't mean we won't. It's very ambiguous. We Russians are clever that way.

Posted by Mrs. Davis 2004-09-08 7:58:16 AM||   2004-09-08 7:58:16 AM|| Front Page Top

#9 Don't nuke Mecca; build a synagogue, church, BBQ joint and porno theater there.
Posted by Robert Crawford  2004-09-08 8:06:41 AM|| [http://www.kloognome.com/]  2004-09-08 8:06:41 AM|| Front Page Top

#10 Link fixed.
Posted by Steve  2004-09-08 8:45:45 AM||   2004-09-08 8:45:45 AM|| Front Page Top

#11 Mrs. D - you nailed it. It actually sounds more like an actual threat to me.

Robert C - Christianity, alcohol and Nekked women! Now that's got to really scare them! Throw in a water park and we'd have surrender tomorrow! lol!

Posted by B 2004-09-08 8:48:16 AM||   2004-09-08 8:48:16 AM|| Front Page Top

#12 heh..heh...apparently the Nazi's spawn learned nothing from their elders. Is it just me or is anyone else thinking that historyy repeats itself and they just made the same mistake Hitler made when he marched on Moscow. Russians, like Mericans are an unwise choice to tangle with. The Russians can match them in their penchant for ruthlessness.

We've entered a new phase of the war.
Posted by B 2004-09-08 8:55:57 AM||   2004-09-08 8:55:57 AM|| Front Page Top

#13 The Russians are not in a position to mount large-scale military operations outside their region. What they did learn in Afghanistan, and it's been underscored by U.S. and coalition SF forces, that small unit operations are the most effective against specific targets (terrorist training bases, HQ's and key personnel). They have the will to execute (that's the operative word) anyone, anywhere they believe has a responsibility for terrorist attacks against them.

You can expect to read about/see bodies piling up in the most interesting places.
Posted by RN  2004-09-08 9:16:51 AM||   2004-09-08 9:16:51 AM|| Front Page Top

#14 [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted]
Posted by UFO TROLL 2004-09-08 9:58:26 AM||   2004-09-08 9:58:26 AM|| Front Page Top

#15 Another fun workday at the Rantburg Pest ConTROLL Department . . .

"Ye Gods! Steve! Look up there!"

"What is that thing, Steve?"

"It looks like a UFO."

"What's that in the cockpit? A creature from another world?"

"Why, crack my shell and fry me for an egg if I'm wrong, but unless my Roger Tory Peterson's Field Guide to the Trolls of Greater Rantburg has a misprint, it's a Serbian Lop-Eared Troll! You know what that means?"

"Boris is back! Scramble the interceptors!"
Posted by Mike  2004-09-08 10:23:12 AM||   2004-09-08 10:23:12 AM|| Front Page Top

#16 UFO is sounding particularly deranged this morning.
Posted by B 2004-09-08 10:25:55 AM||   2004-09-08 10:25:55 AM|| Front Page Top

#17 Boris Pribitch, take your lies and delusions somewhere else. Loser. Now it's clear why the Kosovars, et al, kicked your ass with inferior weapons.
Posted by Frank G  2004-09-08 10:26:21 AM||   2004-09-08 10:26:21 AM|| Front Page Top

#18 Another Mossad mission accomplished,..

As usual, you're full of it.
Posted by Bomb-a-rama 2004-09-08 10:26:38 AM||   2004-09-08 10:26:38 AM|| Front Page Top

#19 Heh, acting unilaterally and preemptively is soooo 2003.

Russia, as usual, is behind the times.
Posted by Anonymous4021 2004-09-08 10:43:00 AM||   2004-09-08 10:43:00 AM|| Front Page Top

#20 another Mossad mission accomplished

Just like Operation Beat Boris At Chess.
Posted by Boring Serb Tick 2004-09-08 10:49:39 AM||   2004-09-08 10:49:39 AM|| Front Page Top

#21 Attacking the Russians makes sense in a backwards kind of logic. After all it was defeating the Soviets in Afghanistan that got Bin Laden into thinking the US would be a pushover. Well now the US has chased him all over hell and back and his boys are looking for another big victory and hoping they can take on Russia again.

I think it might have made a second big mistake.

I read a story the other day about strife amung the terrorists in the school. HOw some didn't know they would be killing kids and how the leader blew up two suicide bomber women in the group to end the little rebellion. Reading between the lines I imagine the Checnyans were the ones who didn't want to kill the kids. They know the Russians better and know they'd take the big hit. The other thing pointing to it being the Checyans against killing the kids is its rare to get female suicide bombers. The Palestinians and the Chechyans are the only ones I know of who have used them.
Posted by RJ Schwarz 2004-09-08 10:56:21 AM|| [http://politicaljunky.blogspot.com]  2004-09-08 10:56:21 AM|| Front Page Top

#22 "Boris is back! Scramble the interceptors!"

"Contact, Bandit, Angels 20, 3 miles. Going to mil, request weapons release."
Posted by Steve  2004-09-08 10:56:51 AM||   2004-09-08 10:56:51 AM|| Front Page Top

#23 Lotta rain up here today. I think it's a Zionist plot. As a matter of fact, I know it is because "they" say we're getting more tomorrow. How would "they" know that?
UFOOL, do you spin around in circles when you walk down the street so the Mossad can't sneak up on you and nail your paranoid little ass?
Posted by tu3031 2004-09-08 10:57:59 AM||   2004-09-08 10:57:59 AM|| Front Page Top

#24 However, this does not mean that we will launch nuclear strikes

"Akhmed, you're were looking particulary glowing at prayers thisd evening!"

"Yes, Mohammed, it was a flash of inspiration from someone named Vlad. . ."
Posted by BigEd 2004-09-08 10:59:37 AM||   2004-09-08 10:59:37 AM|| Front Page Top

#25 Roger!

Weapons FREE!
Posted by RN  2004-09-08 11:02:55 AM||   2004-09-08 11:02:55 AM|| Front Page Top

#26 actually..just cause you are paranoid...

with Russia joining with Israel - Mossad really is forming zionist plots against them......
Posted by B 2004-09-08 11:04:11 AM||   2004-09-08 11:04:11 AM|| Front Page Top

#27 For targets for Russia, may I suggest SA princes. We and the Israelis can give any assistance and training you may need.
Posted by Alaska Paul 2004-09-08 11:55:30 AM||   2004-09-08 11:55:30 AM|| Front Page Top

#28 [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted]
Posted by UFO TROLL 2004-09-08 1:11:43 PM||   2004-09-08 1:11:43 PM|| Front Page Top

#29 hi boris! antiwar is miss you. :)
is the planes still follo you like catle?
Posted by muck4doo 2004-09-08 1:46:36 PM|| [http://meatismurder.blogspot.com/]  2004-09-08 1:46:36 PM|| Front Page Top

#30 UFO-You oughta think about standup comedy as a career choice. You're funny.
Posted by jules 187 2004-09-08 1:53:27 PM||   2004-09-08 1:53:27 PM|| Front Page Top

#31 i bet UFO believes the greys and bigfoot and perhaps even nessy are all aiding the 'imaginary zionist army'. Man probably never even landed on the moon according to UFO and i'll bet he thinks Christopher Colombus's navigater was an Arab too. So deluded anthing is possible is his little child like imagination, how much LSD have you consumed UFO? your reality seems so differant to ours, must be really mind blowing stuff u got there.
Posted by Shep UK 2004-09-08 1:59:07 PM||   2004-09-08 1:59:07 PM|| Front Page Top

#32 UFOOL. I'm under your bed.
Sleep tight.
Posted by The Mossad 2004-09-08 1:59:41 PM||   2004-09-08 1:59:41 PM|| Front Page Top

#33 increasingly the motive seems to be to get the Ossetians to massacre Ingush, thus getting the Ingush to join the Chechens in their war against Russia, and perhaps even to get the Dagestanis and other muslims in Russia to join in. This would fit in with a strategy that AQ has been pursuing since 9/11 and before, to PROVOKE a war between civilizations, as a way of displacing moderates who would work with the West and getting the entire muslim world to join them and follow them. The russians seem to realize this, and have apparently gone to some trouble to protect Ingush in Ossetia. This is wise.
Posted by Liberalhawk 2004-09-08 2:04:55 PM||   2004-09-08 2:04:55 PM|| Front Page Top

#34 boris the colors are still nedd be improve atn you new blog. they still to bright in that same way.
Posted by muck4doo 2004-09-08 2:11:26 PM|| [http://meatismurder.blogspot.com/]  2004-09-08 2:11:26 PM|| Front Page Top

#35 I wonder how good the KGB is at wetwork, now that their Cold War era collaborators and tools are all on the other side?
Posted by Atomic Conspiracy 2004-09-08 5:33:54 PM||   2004-09-08 5:33:54 PM|| Front Page Top

#36 I think that Russia must act in a *complementary* way to the US. The US goes after the triggermen, the "fighters". But this does not solve the problem, because it does not address the cause of the problem.

I hope that Russia uses a different tactic: KILL THE IMAMS!
THE DIRECTIVE: Any Imam or Mullah on the entire planet has 72 hours to live once they are known to advocate violence, murder, or Jihad directed against ANY civilian.
It shouldn't matter if they live in Pakistan, or Iran, OR CANADA, OR BRITAIN, OR THE US.

Surely there are enough skilled Russians who could cut the tongues out of their heads so that they choke on their own blood? 10 dead Imams in a single country will reduce the lust for blood by their followers by 90%.

If anyone here wants to forward this suggestion to President Putin, please feel free to do so.
Posted by Anonymoose 2004-09-08 6:02:38 PM||   2004-09-08 6:02:38 PM|| Front Page Top

#37 How transparent, as in any crime the motive is the key element, and based on the results accomplished, the only ME player with a motive is Israel.

Israel's Pentagon mole is one piece of convincing evidence.
Posted by UFO 2004-09-08 6:11:49 PM|| [http://politicsandcurrentevents.com]  2004-09-08 6:11:49 PM|| Front Page Top

#38 Boris the Spider's back, I see.
Posted by Korora  2004-09-08 6:17:54 PM|| [http://basementburrow.blogspot.com]  2004-09-08 6:17:54 PM|| Front Page Top

#39 Anonymoose : As long as the "Imam's" bodies are covered with pig fat and left for buzzards, vultures, crows, and stray dogs to consume. Then I will agree with your suggestion.
Posted by BigEd 2004-09-08 6:21:49 PM||   2004-09-08 6:21:49 PM|| Front Page Top

#40 Of course, Boris, just as the Mossad carried out the Madrid train bombings to strengthen support for Spanish involvement in Iraq.
Collaborationist swine like you are the prime evidence against your delusions theories.
The terrorists know that they can count on conspira-liars to deflect blame and media fifth columnists and left-devil politicians to advocate appeasement, exactly as we have seen since the Beslan atrocity.
Posted by Atomic Conspiracy 2004-09-08 6:28:34 PM||   2004-09-08 6:28:34 PM|| Front Page Top

#41 BigEd: Trust in faith. The Russians have some talents in this field. I remember after the US hostages were successfully taken and held in Lebanon, the same gang kidnapped four Russians. The KGB counter-kidnapped their Imam, then FedEx'ed a few of his less important body parts to the kidnappers. The Russians hostages were not only immediately released, but the kidnappers drove them to the Russian embassy, literally.
I am also reminded how the Russians dealt with some of the captured German SS, in field conditions: "First you nail two shell casings into their kneecaps, and then you ask them questions. If you feel like asking questions."
But the important thing is does it work? For that, I can almost guarantee that getting the Imams to shut up will suck a LOT of wind out of this nonsense.
Posted by Anonymoose 2004-09-08 6:30:58 PM||   2004-09-08 6:30:58 PM|| Front Page Top

#42 #7 "Russia says it could strike terrorist bases anywhere"

Except Iran ..

Bryan, to me this is the deal-breaker. Until RasPutin purchases a clue and cuts the cord with Iran, all of his proclaimations are just so much window dressing. Halting sales of weapons and armaments to terrorist sponsoring countries is another prerequisite as well. Russia has worked very hard to bring about Beslan. Harsh, I know, but it's a fact.

From one of the links in this thread:

"Why the law-enforcement bodies didn't know and why they allowed a column of fighters to get into the city past all checkpoints — this is something that can be judged only through rumors," the newspaper Novye Izvestia said Monday.

This remains a central issue that must be satisfactorily resolved. All staff at every single one of the checkpoints must be brought up on charges. The guards who actually waved through the vehicle should be EXECUTED. The people of Beslan deserve nothing less. Had the checkpoints functioned, this atrocity might not have happened. Bribes or no bribes, a large truck like that still should have had its "cargo" inspected. Those who neglected this one vital function may as well have helped pull the triggers in the gym.

#36 I hope that Russia uses a different tactic: KILL THE IMAMS!
THE DIRECTIVE: Any Imam or Mullah on the entire planet has 72 hours to live once they are known to advocate violence, murder, or Jihad directed against ANY civilian.
It shouldn't matter if they live in Pakistan, or Iran, OR CANADA, OR BRITAIN, OR THE US.

Anonymoose, as an American, I'm not quite ready to have wetwork teams operating in our own country at our own government's behest. I'm d@mn close, but just not there ... yet.

America should instantly deport all Imams or Mullahs that preach violent jihad. We most definitely should be sending wetwork teams to all other Islamic countries to begin snuffing these radical clerics. They are declaring war upon America from the shelter of the mosques and they should pay for it with their lives.

Even if it doesn't suck the wind out of their sails, it will show a basic determination upon our part to blow away our enemies wherever they are and make an example for all potential jihadis to ponder before they consider strapping on that bomb vest.
Posted by Zenster 2004-09-08 8:47:41 PM||   2004-09-08 8:47:41 PM|| Front Page Top

#43 Zenster: this shows a basic difference between the Russian and American zeitgeist. I quite agree that Americans would have qualms with "wetwork" against (seeming) non-combatants. Now, granted, Americans are first-rate at exterminating combatants in the field; but there is always a peculiar urge in them to arrest them, if at all possible; which, granted, is not a bad idea if you want information from them.
But dismiss the notion that these men are truly non-combatants. They inspire, they direct, they plan for and they command others from what they believe is the safety of the pulpit. They do not wish to die themselves, or even feel threatened. Instead, they want to send others to die.
Russians are under no such illusions. It would be an easy matter for them to sanction with prejudice someone like the blind cleric who directed the first WTC bombing. Or "Hookhand", in Britain. Or any number of clerics in Saudi Arabia, or Pakistan. Or Iran, for that matter. And no problem at all with seeming conflict-of-interest in Iran. They would not be fighting Iran, just an individual in Iran who truly deserves to die. Be it the entire Guardian Council or the High Priest for Life himself. Nothing personal, just business.
An important point is that Russia does not have the resources to burn that the US does. But it can use the resources it has to great effect. By them focusing on the troublemakers, and the US continuing to focus on the executors, as I said before, 90% of this nonsense would stop through lack of interest. The Imams would stop preaching murderous Jihad, and their followers would have no direction, no stimulation, and no coordination for their rage.
Posted by Anonymoose 2004-09-08 9:02:34 PM||   2004-09-08 9:02:34 PM|| Front Page Top

#44 But dismiss the notion that these men are truly non-combatants.

I already have. It's just that if we are going to go after these terrorists with wetwork teams within our own borders, what about those neo-Nazi groups who like the Islamic terror organizations' similar lust for renewed genocide? Should those skinheads go into the crosshairs too? What about the likes of Nicholes and McVeigh, should we be capping them as well?

I trust you can see where I'm leading, Anonymoose? I'm all for going after them on their home turf where they feel most comfortable. The ones on our own turf need to be deported or tried and jailed for sedition or conspiring to harm American citizens. I think jailing them with general prison populations would probably get the desired results rather quickly.

I still have big problems with Russia's conflict of interest in their support of terrorist nations. I agree that it is a hangover from the bad old KGB days, but they need to wean themselves off this "balance of power" concept as it is obviously not in their best interests anymore.
Posted by Zenster 2004-09-08 9:57:44 PM||   2004-09-08 9:57:44 PM|| Front Page Top

#45 Zenster: that is not a good extrapolation. You are trying to apply American laws and pricipals to nations that do not have them. And I do mean "nations". While such things as "incitement" are unlawful in the US, they are not in most of the world. An Imam, there, can call for murderous Jihad, for killing children, anything, without breaking *their* laws.
And while Russians can gleefully kill such people, and without remorse, they do not do so frivilously. It would not turn into a shooting gallery; but if the Kremlin decided that an Imam should die, he *would* die. No messing around with trying to arrest him, or getting him to change his ways, or making a deal with him, or bribing him. He would be a dead man walking.
Ironically, this is just the opposite from how you effectively deal with combatants, as the US does. The US "way", in that case, say Iraq, is far better than the Russian "way", for example, in Chechnya.
But do not slight the Russian "way" in dealing with such people as Gaulieters and Imams. By taking out one man, they might save the lives of a hundred of his followers; which, ironically (to an American), they would call a "humanitarian" act. And they would have a point. For as long as such people live, even in prison, they continue to inspire new combatants to pick up arms, new fools to die for their cause.
But, and as an important point, such people are almost ALWAYS cowards. As long as they can sacrifice endless numbers of their followers, they are as brave as they come. But when their own life, or even their own comforts, are threatened, they bow and grovel before whoever holds a knife at their throat, or a boot on their back.
Posted by Anonymoose 2004-09-08 10:19:11 PM||   2004-09-08 10:19:11 PM|| Front Page Top

#46 This discussion highlights one of the frequently overlooked advantages of a Gideon/Phoenix wetwork approach: nobody even claims that it is legal. How is that an advantage? As arch-lib CBS reporter Bob Simon (who advocates a Gideon/Phoenix campaign) has pointed out, it can be done without any legal or Constitutional changes that could later be used by other leaders to abuse legitimate dissidents.
Posted by Atomic Conspiracy 2004-09-08 10:34:14 PM||   2004-09-08 10:34:14 PM|| Front Page Top

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