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2004-09-17 Home Front: Politix

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Posted by Super Hose 2004-09-17 3:44:50 AM|| || Front Page|| [2 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 I don't think John Kerry can legally demand MoveOn.org do anything. He can certainly decry the message, though. I doubt that he will, though, since MoveOn's new ad dovetails neatly with the story he told in his Winter Soldier days.

Posted by eLarson 2004-09-17 8:40:55 AM|| [http://larsonian.blogspot.com] 2004-09-17 8:40:55 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 I don't think John Kerry can legally demand MoveOn.org do anything.

No more than Bush can tell the SwiftVets from stopping their ads. Kerry still called on Bush to do it.

Posted by Robert Crawford 2004-09-17 10:10:55 AM|| [http://www.kloognome.com] 2004-09-17 10:10:55 AM|| Front Page Top

I don't think John Kerry can legally demand MoveOn.org do anything.

True, if there were no connection between his campaign and them.

And if you believe there isn't, I can get you a good deal on a bridge. They don't even bother to hide it.

Look at it this way: Bush asked that all 527 ads be stopped (which I disagree with). Kerry's response? Crickets chirping. He just wants ads against him stopped.

As as far as "legally" goes, as eLarson says, Kerry can certainly at the very least publicly state that he disapproves of that message and disassociates his campaign from the moveon crowd.

Again, all we hear are crickets. Quelle surprise.

Posted by Barbara Skolaut 2004-09-17 10:29:41 AM|| 2004-09-17 10:29:41 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 Any RBers out there who can confirm that the soldier depicted, holding his weapon upside down over his head with both hands, is actually giving a signal (I heard it meant "Enemy in sight").

Posted by Carl in N.H 2004-09-17 11:56:50 AM|| 2004-09-17 11:56:50 AM|| Front Page Top

#5 This "signal" can mean "enemy in sight". It can also be used to show an enemy what to do to surrender. This is not a picture of an American soldier surrendering.

Posted by Deacon Blues 2004-09-17 12:15:03 PM|| 2004-09-17 12:15:03 PM|| Front Page Top

#6 actually its prolly a pic of some grunt just trying to keep his weapon clean and out of the mud. Or maybe he is showing some Iraqis how to properly surrender to U.S. forces. Also "enemy in sight" is depicted w/the weapon at the ready and not upside down.

Posted by Jarhead 2004-09-17 12:29:53 PM|| 2004-09-17 12:29:53 PM|| Front Page Top

#7 From : http://www.strangecosmos.com/content/item/102073.html

moveon.org a.k.a. Mr George Soros :

If I had a brother like you, I'd put myself up for adoption.
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I guess you prove that even God makes mistakes sometimes.
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Wow! You're a legend in your own mind!

Posted by BigEd 2004-09-17 12:40:18 PM|| 2004-09-17 12:40:18 PM|| Front Page Top

#8 More Dole quotes from Mens News Daily
Former U.S. Senator and 1996 Republican presidential nominee Bob Dole, who is serving as Chairman of President Bush's Veterans Coalition, also reacted strongly to the MoveOn.org ad and the lack of any reaction from the Kerry campaign.

"I call on John Kerry to demand that MoveOn.org take down their ad depicting a defeated American soldier," Dole said in a statement. "It's one thing to debate whether we should take the fight to the terrorists, but depicting an American soldier in effect surrendering in the battle against the terrorists is beyond the pale."

Dole said he is surprised Kerry would "approve" of such a "disgusting and demoralizing portrayal of American soldiers" since he "reminds of daily of his Vietnam service."

"John Kerry has raised doubts about our troops' ability to maintain security as well as Iraqi's ability to decide their own future through elections," Dole reminded, explaining that Kerry once called the American allies in Iraq "window dressing."

Recalling Kerry's testimony on Capitol Hill after returning from Vietnam, Dole charged that Kerry has been anti-military ever since.
"This is all reminiscent of his appearance before a Senate Committee in 1971 where he suggested with nothing but second hand information American GIs were committing atrocities and war crimes of the worst kind in Vietnam," Dole noted. "This defeatist attitude undermines the great progress and sacrifices of our men and women in the military and the contributions of our allies who are fighting against terror and standing up for freedom around the world."
Describing Kerry's "politics of pessimism" regarding the war on terror as "extreme," Dole said Kerry and his fellow liberal Democrats are "consumed by the past with nothing to offer but attacks on the President's agenda for creating a safer world."

Appealing directly to Kerry regarding the MoveOn.org ad, Dole asked, "John, say it isn't so and denounce this latest effort to divide Americans."

Posted by GK 2004-09-17 6:38:59 PM|| 2004-09-17 6:38:59 PM|| Front Page Top

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