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Robbery Cited as Motive in Slaying of Egyptian Family

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Posted by Fred 2005-03-06 00:00:00 AM|| || Front Page|| [2 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 I am smelling rotten fish here.
They left too much "loot" behind.
Being New Jersy I have no confidence in the "Law."

Posted by Sock Puppet of Doom 2005-03-06 6:57:20 AM|| [http://www.slhess.com] 2005-03-06 6:57:20 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 Would it be possible these two jerks stumbled on the bodies and took the ATM card?

Posted by Glereper Craviter7929 2005-03-06 8:11:31 AM|| 2005-03-06 8:11:31 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 New ~~Jersey~~ Dhimmi

Posted by Mrs. Davis 2005-03-06 8:19:27 AM|| 2005-03-06 8:19:27 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 bound and gagged with puncture wounds to their heads and necks

Cops are so terrified of pursuing a Islamist angle - like in the Malvo case - that I find it hard to just accept that they have pursued the somewhat obvious angle that is still hanging out there as a question in all of our minds. While it could just be a robbery, you have to wonder if the cops would make the effort to see if this was a murder for hire with the upstairs junkies used as patsys - or be happy to just accept them as such and close the books to make it all go away.

Posted by 2b 2005-03-06 8:21:10 AM|| 2005-03-06 8:21:10 AM|| Front Page Top

#5 I wonder what religion the two follow - them being ex-cons and all....

I think the cops in this case would do anything to appease CAIR....

Posted by CrazyFool 2005-03-06 9:49:26 AM|| 2005-03-06 9:49:26 AM|| Front Page Top

#6 Or it could be just a cigar.

Posted by Shipman 2005-03-06 11:03:47 AM|| 2005-03-06 11:03:47 AM|| Front Page Top

#7 2b: Cops are so terrified of pursuing a Islamist angle - like in the Malvo case - that I find it hard to just accept that they have pursued the somewhat obvious angle that is still hanging out there as a question in all of our minds. While it could just be a robbery, you have to wonder if the cops would make the effort to see if this was a murder for hire with the upstairs junkies used as patsys - or be happy to just accept them as such and close the books to make it all go away.

One of the felons was on parole. If he had been arrested committing a crime, he would have returned to serving hard time from his previous sentence, in addition to whatever sentence he received for armed robbery. I think he just wanted to make sure they were dead.

Note that the movies tend to romanticize felons. Real-life criminals are real hardcases - closer to the people in Goodfellas (based on a real-life mobster's bio) than in Godfather. The stuff you saw in the movie - and described in the Post article - is the kind of thing violent criminals routinely do. Real life violent criminals are seldom subtle. A couple of years back in NYC, a bunch of Hispanic kids bashed in the head of a Chinese takeout deliveryman with a brick and took his money off him. As far as I know, they didn't have anything personal against him - they just wanted a free meal and his money.

Posted by Zhang Fei 2005-03-06 12:27:03 PM|| [http://timurileng.blogspot.com] 2005-03-06 12:27:03 PM|| Front Page Top

#8 good points - but I'm not saying that it's not a cigar. I'm just saying that I don't have confidence they would tell us if it wasn't.

Posted by 2b 2005-03-06 12:29:52 PM|| 2005-03-06 12:29:52 PM|| Front Page Top

#9 Maybe others put the goons up to the deed. I agree with Sock, there is rotten fish here. I am not a conspiracy nut, but if there is a religious angle to this case, the police are not going to mention it, though they may explore it.

The police SHOULD mention the possibility publically, though, and say that it is one of a number of possibilities that they will pursue in the normal course of their investigation. Silence over this issue is just being a dhimmi.

Posted by Alaska Paul 2005-03-06 1:17:33 PM|| 2005-03-06 1:17:33 PM|| Front Page Top

#10 And refusing to accept the obvious, because it doesn't fit the racial/religious profile certain people would prefer, is both prejudice and denial.

I believe there are thousands such murders every year, done by non-Muslims for non-religious reasons. What exactly was people's reason to believe that this one was a targetted killing instead? Was there a religious message/Islamic threat left over the bodies? I don't think so.

And since when have Islamic fanatics hired infidels to do their murders for them? I fail to remember any such example.

"You are not conspiracy nuts, but -".

Yeah, you are.

Posted by Aris Katsaris 2005-03-06 5:25:09 PM|| [http://www.livejournal.com/~katsaris/] 2005-03-06 5:25:09 PM|| Front Page Top

#11 #2 Would it be possible these two jerks stumbled on the bodies and took the ATM card?

No, you can't get a pin number from a dead man....

Posted by Binky 2005-03-06 7:22:05 PM|| 2005-03-06 7:22:05 PM|| Front Page Top

#12 Binky, there are people that write the pin # on their cards. My 1st X would be a fine example.

Posted by Sobiesky 2005-03-06 7:25:56 PM|| 2005-03-06 7:25:56 PM|| Front Page Top

#13 Re #10: "...I believe there are thousands such murders every year..."
Sure, get us some statistics on families of four slain for an ATM card by puncture wounds to their heads and necks. Happens all the time here in my neighborhood. What a twit you are.

"The murders spread fear throughout the regionâs Coptic Christian community and spurred tensions that erupted in scuffles and anti-Islam slogans being shouted during the familyâs funeral."
Note: "Spurred" tensions, not "created" tensions.

Posted by Tom 2005-03-06 9:23:52 PM|| 2005-03-06 9:23:52 PM|| Front Page Top

#14 on families of four slain for an ATM card

Sorry, Tom, I didn't think it was such specific details we were seeking, I was just thinking of murders taking place by people breaking into houses. I'm sure however that you can limit the similar cases down to one if you also demand that the murdered victims I need to find should be Copt Christians named Armanious.

What a twit you are.

It's not me who's in denial, because he so much wanted the murderers to have been 'mooselimbs' and this turns out not to have been the case.

Does it invalidate anything of your belief-system, having to acknowledge that not all evil in the world originates from Islam?

Posted by Aris Katsaris 2005-03-06 9:47:55 PM|| [http://www.livejournal.com/~katsaris/] 2005-03-06 9:47:55 PM|| Front Page Top

#15 Sobiesky: Binky, there are people that write the pin # on their cards. My 1st X would be a fine example.

These folks are smarter than your average bear. It takes a fair amount of smarts to establish yourself in a foreign country where you start off not knowing the language that everybody uses. Most Americans (and Egyptians) couldn't do it. These folks did. I live in NYC. I know a fair number of immigrants. None of them writes their PIN down *anywhere*.

Let's face it - most violent criminals are scumbags. These guys ought to be fed feet-first into a wood chipper, a la Fargo. But the likelihood is that they'll be guests of the governor until they're ready to be fitted out for pine boxes.

Posted by Zhang Fei 2005-03-06 10:11:28 PM|| [http://timurileng.blogspot.com] 2005-03-06 10:11:28 PM|| Front Page Top

#16 Tom: Sure, get us some statistics on families of four slain for an ATM card by puncture wounds to their heads and necks. Happens all the time here in my neighborhood. What a twit you are.

Puncture wounds are another way of saying they stabbed the family to death. (Gunshots are loud and tend to attract the cops almost immediately). It's happened before, and it'll happen again. Some years back, an Indian couple was stabbed to death on Long Island. A few years before that, a Taiwanese couple was stabbed to death in Queens, NYC. These things happen. This is why owning a handgun in a readily accessible spot can be a real lifesaver.

Posted by Zhang Fei 2005-03-06 10:15:42 PM|| [http://timurileng.blogspot.com] 2005-03-06 10:15:42 PM|| Front Page Top

#17 I know a fair number of immigrants. None of them writes their PIN down *anywhere*.

Well, then, my X must be the exception in this rule.

Posted by Sobiesky 2005-03-06 10:23:38 PM|| 2005-03-06 10:23:38 PM|| Front Page Top

#18 While some of you casually tossing off this crime and the subsequent arrest, will you for Christ's sake at least admit that four people dieing for robbery or religion is horrific enough, without adding the sneering non-chalance of your world views?

Posted by badanov 2005-03-06 10:56:44 PM|| [http://www.rkka.org] 2005-03-06 10:56:44 PM|| Front Page Top

#19 The Coptic community was justifiably worried because they've seen this happen in Egypt. This time, apparently, their fears were wrong.

But when the declared representatives Muslim community constantly does the "dance of the seven veiled denials" over their support for terrorist groups, when Theo van Gogh was knifed to death in the middle of a public street, to believe their (and our!) fears are simply bigotry is a sign of arrogance and stupidity that I find unbelievable even in you.

Posted by Robert Crawford 2005-03-06 11:16:26 PM|| [http://www.kloognome.com/] 2005-03-06 11:16:26 PM|| Front Page Top

#20 Family members are loath to condemn Muslim extremists for the murders, but say that the details of the killings are similar to murders perpetrated by extremists in Egypt, where Coptic Christians have been bound, gagged and had their throats slit.

The preliminary causes of death are "stab wounds to the throat." The necks of each of the victims were "slit" across the throat. Below the slit of the parents' necks, three holes, about the size of the thumb, were "drilled" or "twisted" into the lower part of their throats. The daughters had two similar holes inflicted on their throats as well. These eyewitnesses say they have evidence of this in photographs taken of the bodies. The photos are said to be gruesome.

It said that money was not found at the scene, that Armanious's pockets had been turned out and his wallet was emptied. A pocketbook had been emptied, the statement said, and drawers had been rifled in the home. The statement also said, however, that jewelry was present in the apartment. A computer was recovered in the children's bedroom. ......

But the Coptic community remains skeptical. Anies Garas, whose daughter, Amal, was among the victims, told me: "The police have vouchered all of the jewelry," he said. "None of it was taken. In fact, my daughter was still wearing a ring worth $3,500 after she was murdered." Mr. Garas says that though a small amount of money was taken, no valuables were removed from the house.

Posted by 2b 2005-03-06 11:34:10 PM|| 2005-03-06 11:34:10 PM|| Front Page Top

#21 Robert, in case you are addressing me, it's not bigotry to have feared this to have been religiously motivated, nor have I ever claimed that.

It is bigotry however to insanely insist on it even *after* all the evidence emerged that pointed to a different direction.

Posted by Aris Katsaris 2005-03-06 11:52:19 PM|| [http://www.livejournal.com/~katsaris/] 2005-03-06 11:52:19 PM|| Front Page Top

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