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Another CBS lie - the Schiavo Poll - Zobgy Kills CBS

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Posted by OldSpook 2005-04-05 3:59:14 AM|| || Front Page|| [4 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 see John Leo today (US News & World Report). Sorry, I don't know how to post links yet. Time for an internet lesson from #1 son.

Posted by mom 2005-04-05 9:48:15 AM|| 2005-04-05 9:48:15 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 Yeah, Hugh Hewitt was being such an idiot, I turned him off. Limbaugh and Ingraham are better and more consistent with the life ethic.

Does anyone know how the burial issue worked out? The last I heard, Mike-hell was going to have her cremated and buried in Pennsylvania with a restraining order against her parents, barring visitation. Her parents wanted her to have a traditional Catholic burial.

This post was encouraging because I was thinking that America had really lost its soul. But as usual, when they have access to accurate information, they land on their feet.

Posted by ex-lib 2005-04-05 10:21:44 AM|| 2005-04-05 10:21:44 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 It is important that in the next weeks and months we understand how and why, during the two weeks of torture of Terri Schindler, the blogosphere has been unable to attack and expose the lies of the mainstream media. A lot has been written and done but there haven't been the determination and the will that have pulled Dan Blather down from his throne.
The subculture of the deathocrats apparently has still a lot of space in the minds and souls of many who otherwise are able to see through the MSM lies...
We must understand, we must discuss.

Posted by Poitiers-Lepanto 2005-04-05 10:59:23 AM|| 2005-04-05 10:59:23 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 Took me awhile to figure it out,too,mom.I'll let .com or one of the other sharp minds walk you through it I would make a hash out of it.

Posted by raptor 2005-04-05 11:27:00 AM|| 2005-04-05 11:27:00 AM|| Front Page Top

#5 Placing too much trust in Zogby will get you burned. He's all over the map as far as accuracy. Also, I think many people look at the Schiavo case as a case of the government interfering in a matter that should be between a husband and wife alone, and this raises privacy concerns. Even if we agree that Michael Schiavo is a slimebag, he was her husband and was in the best position to know Terri's wishes as far as life support.

Posted by Jonathan 2005-04-05 12:07:33 PM|| [http://www.emessell.typepad.com/muddling] 2005-04-05 12:07:33 PM|| Front Page Top

#6 "When asked directly about Terriâs case and told the her estranged husband Michael "has had a girlfriend for 10 years and has two children with her" 56 percent of Americans believed guardianship should have been turned over to Terriâs parents while 37 percent disagreed"

Sorry for repeating what is already in the posted article, but evidently someone is unable to read.

Posted by Poitiers-Lepanto 2005-04-05 12:43:01 PM|| 2005-04-05 12:43:01 PM|| Front Page Top

#7 Poitiers-Lepanto, if that comment was directed at me then I have to say that I can read just fine. Polls don't make law, legislatures are not judges, and hard cases make bad law. The Schiavo matter is a hard case because Michael Schiavo is such an unsympathetic character. Even so, it is not the place of the federal government to intervene in what is a matter for the individuals involved. If there was some question about Michael Schiavo's conflicts of interest -- and it's clear that he's got plenty of them -- then it could be a matter for the state of Florida to resolve, but it should not be a federal matter. At bottom, leaving aside the emotions this case raises, it's a matter of privacy. And this is the last I'll say about this.

Posted by Jonathan 2005-04-05 1:55:24 PM|| [http://www.emessell.typepad.com/muddling] 2005-04-05 1:55:24 PM|| Front Page Top

#8 As they say: Tell me the answer you want and I make up the questions.

Posted by True German Ally 2005-04-05 2:02:24 PM|| 2005-04-05 2:02:24 PM|| Front Page Top

#9 "he was her husband"

Thats a VERY disputable point - you don't have all the facts do you?

Legally, He had comitted adultery and bigamy, both criminal acts in the Florida State Code. That is enough to sever the legal relationshitp. How, I hear you ask... well he lived with another woman and produced 2 children wit hher (thats adultery), and he shared a househsld and commingled money and living with here for more than 5 years (thats common law marriage in Flordia IIRC).

Secondarily, thae fact that he had another "wife" and had not remained faithful to Terri shows that he felt he was no longer responsible for he in a recoprocal manner -and for marriage to exist there have to be responsibilities going both ways.

ANd remember that this was not an issue until ***7*** years into her condititon. micheal never claimed this as her wishes until well into the 7th year - a year in which they looked to recieve a large cash settlement for malpractice that resulted in Terri's condition, and the year AFTER he me tthe woman he is common-law husband to, outside of his original marriage to Terri.

So, Johnathan, you are wrong. Learn ALL the facts before you leap on the Culture of Death's bandwagon.

And Johnathan, when the 14th amendment rights (due process) are violated by local courts, who else is there to step in but the Feds? Hmm? Seems people ahd no problem stepping in when it was voting rights that the local courts messed up with. But a "pro-life" issue is subordinate to voting rights? Is life so cheap that it be subservient to your anti-federalist bent? Then you are no better than the communists who put life subservient to their totalitarian bent.

Johantan, answer the questions or consider yourself outed as a fraud.

Posted by OldSpook 2005-04-05 2:24:38 PM|| 2005-04-05 2:24:38 PM|| Front Page Top

#10 Okay, I really should have steered clear of this one, but I'm in it so let me make some things clear: Yes, I know the facts of the case. No, I'm not sympathetic with communism or totalitarianism or what have you -- anybody who has read my comments knows the contempt in which I hold the left and their apologists.

But I do have libertarian principles with respect to privacy issues and constitutional issues. When the federal government -- specifically, the federal legislature -- starts intervening on the state level in individual cases then we are losing freedoms. When the congress creates unfunded madates it is an intereference the rights of the states. When the Supreme Court created bogus law in Roe v. Wade they intervened in what is properly a matter for the states. Every time this happens, we the people lose a little freedom.

Like I say, I'm sorry I got into this -- emotions about this are obviously just too high. But I had to say my piece.

Posted by Jonathan 2005-04-05 2:44:42 PM|| [http://www.emessell.typepad.com/muddling] 2005-04-05 2:44:42 PM|| Front Page Top

#11 Where the hell was Zogby the weekend they pulled her tube? This kind of info which dealt directly with her situation may have changed the outcome. Zogby is sometimes a dubious pollster, but one can safely say that 79-9 is outside the margin of error.

Posted by BigEd 2005-04-05 5:29:34 PM|| 2005-04-05 5:29:34 PM|| Front Page Top

#12 Reading again the posts in here and elsewhere is pretty interesting from the point of view of general anthropology.
1 (like in ONE) sentence of a judge (that is, of ONE of the THREE powers that should check and balance one another) has been judged VALID and not re-examined for 19 times.
A Woman has been killed by starving Her and dehydrating Her because 1 (ONE) judge, supported by another 19 of the Judiciary (that is PART OF THE GOVERNMENT) has written ONE sentence.
Now, some death cultists say that this fact, that a Judge (a Member of the Government), unchecked by the Legislative and by the Executive (the OTHER TWO branches of the Government)has killed this Woman, is a matter of protection of PRIVACY and matter of keeping the balance of POWERS.
I think that the reds, who have destroyed our schools, have done a GREAT JOB in making many (very many MANY)UNABLE to think by themselves.
I hope that all the happy posters who have contributed to this MURDER here and elsewhere, will NOT find themselves in the hands of ANY death-cultist.
I really do.

Posted by Poitiers-Lepanto 2005-04-05 6:37:19 PM|| 2005-04-05 6:37:19 PM|| Front Page Top

#13 When the federal government -- specifically, the federal legislature -- starts intervening on the state level in individual cases then we are losing freedoms.

So a woman had to die under dubious circumstances. But hey - we still have our freedoms! And that's what counts, right?

Posted by Pappy 2005-04-05 8:20:33 PM|| 2005-04-05 8:20:33 PM|| Front Page Top

#14 When a federal government intervenes because state courts rule black children should not go to white schools...

Oh wait...

Posted by True German Ally 2005-04-05 8:25:48 PM|| 2005-04-05 8:25:48 PM|| Front Page Top

#15 "But I do have libertarian principles with respect to privacy issues and constitutional issues. . . ."

Yeah, Jonathan wants the PRIVACY to kill a woman who was not unconcious, who could walk and eat and drink on her own (until Mike-hell took that away), who responded to others, who needed basic and some specialized therapy to better her recovery (which also was denied to her by Mick-hell) and who deserved to live--even if her "quality" of life makes us squeamish. Her parents loved her and wanted to take care of her, and Mike-hell didn't know shit about what Terri wanted--he was just making it up to get rid of her and take the money and run.

Jonathan: ever think of moving to Saudi Arabia? Your libertarian politics directing you to rest inside the cloak of "privacy" in order to commit murder against helpless, disabled females, without government interference, would fit in real good there. Maybe you and Mike-hell could open up a club or something.

BTW, it is our constitutional system of checks and balances that sometimes requires a "check and a balance" from the legislature when the courts are trampling liberty and property issues. Duh.

I haven't heard any discussion along the lines of "what if the situation were reversed---and it was a WOMAN doing this to a MAN." A wife, putting to death her conscious-but-able-to -improve-significantly-with-care brain damaged husband? Ha! Wouldn't have even happened, GARUNTEEEE.

Posted by ex-lib 2005-04-05 9:16:17 PM|| 2005-04-05 9:16:17 PM|| Front Page Top

#16 "he was her husband"

Thats a VERY disputable point - you don't have all the facts do you?

Legally, He had comitted adultery and bigamy, both criminal acts in the Florida State Code. That is enough to sever the legal relationshitp. How, I hear you ask... well he lived with another woman and produced 2 children wit hher (thats adultery), and he shared a househsld and commingled money and living with here for more than 5 years (thats common law marriage in Flordia IIRC).

Secondarily, thae fact that he had another "wife" and had not remained faithful to Terri shows that he felt he was no longer responsible for he in a recoprocal manner -and for marriage to exist there have to be responsibilities going both ways.

ANd remember that this was not an issue until ***7*** years into her condititon. micheal never claimed this as her wishes until well into the 7th year - a year in which they looked to recieve a large cash settlement for malpractice that resulted in Terri's condition, and the year AFTER he me tthe woman he is common-law husband to, outside of his original marriage to Terri.

So, Johnathan, you are wrong. Learn ALL the facts before you leap on the Culture of Death's bandwagon.

And Johnathan, when the 14th amendment rights (due process) are violated by local courts, who else is there to step in but the Feds? Hmm? Seems people ahd no problem stepping in when it was voting rights that the local courts messed up with. But a "pro-life" issue is subordinate to voting rights? Is life so cheap that it be subservient to your anti-federalist bent? Then you are no better than the communists who put life subservient to their totalitarian bent.

Johantan, answer the questions or consider yourself outed as a fraud.

Posted by OldSpook 2005-04-05 2:24:38 PM|| 2005-04-05 2:24:38 PM|| Front Page Top

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Posted by OldSpook 2005-04-05 2:24:38 PM|| 2005-04-05 2:24:38 PM|| Front Page Top

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