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2005-05-07 Afghanistan/South Asia

UN bans Lashker-e-Taiba alongwith its 'shadow' outfits

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Posted by Paul Moloney 2005-05-07 05:45|| || Front Page|| [2 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 What about Hamas and Hizbollah?

Posted by trailing wife 2005-05-07 07:29|| 2005-05-07 07:29|| Front Page Top

#2 Lol, well Hamas is an EU favorite (it has wings, lol!) and the Mullahs are fans of Hizbollah, so the UN won't be calling them names anytime soon. Where would we be without our betters to steer us straight, eh? Going off all willy-nilly calling a spade a spade. Sheesh. Wotta simplisme lot we are. :-)

Posted by .com 2005-05-07 07:40|| 2005-05-07 07:40|| Front Page Top

#3 I hear that Hamas is being given a spot in the Eurovision song contest to balance out Israels participation.

Posted by Jack is Back!">Jack is Back! 2005-05-07 10:31|| 2005-05-07 10:31|| Front Page Top

#4 Is that a snark, Jack, or real? I mean, I wouldn't be surprised either way, which shows how far Europe has fallen in my estimation.

This week they had a March of the Survivors from Auschwitz, and everybody said, "Never again," in solemn tones. But of the Europeans I only believe that they mean Never again will we bestir ourselves to kill off our Jews and other minorities in an organized fashion. However, if others should feel the need, neither will we bestir ourselves to stop them -- it's not as though they were real people like us, after all.

The childhood and youth of my parents were twisted into unexpected channels by the Nazis and their little helpers; my grandmother's memoir is in the Holocaust Museum in DC and Yad Vashem. My own life and that of my children is, in one aspect, a victory over Hitler. I still have some cousins over there, and friends from when we lived there. For years I told Mr. Wife's management that we were anxious for another stint abroad -- but now the very thought makes me ill, because of what Europe has chosen to become. Bat Yeor and Bernard Lewis write about Western Europe's choice to ally with the Arab Muslims, and what has resulted. But the philosopher Emil Fackenheim decreed a 614th Commandment (Jews recognize not ten commnadments, but 613, of which the Ten are primary): The authentic Jew of today is forbidden to hand Hitler yet another, posthumous victory. And yet, France and Germany seem determined, passive-aggressively, to do so.

So you can see why I hope your comment is merely a snark.

Posted by trailing wife 2005-05-07 12:18|| 2005-05-07 12:18|| Front Page Top

#5 I'm pretty sure he's kidding, though it's practically there. They had a winning song (from Turkey??) about how Israel must be destroyed.

I'm hope I'm not going to be too controversial and harm the nice friendly chat atmosphere of Rantburg, but I think the concentration on Hitler is a bad idea. Yes, he was far worse than the medieval or renaissance rulers that robbed, exiled, or killed so many Jews, but much of that was because he had more capability ruling over most of Europe and the higher technology. The Nazi-era Nuremburg laws were practically word-for-word identical with those of the 16th century. Remember, too, that for all the bravery of a few who helped, there were far more active collaberators who agreed with the idea of genocide. Poles, French, Russians, every nation. (The vast majority of course simply kept their heads down and tried to get by.)

It's something in Western culture. We're not immune to here in the US, either, though we're better than most. And no, you can't blame Christianity, either, for pagan Rome was pretty brutal, and of course Islam had many Jew-hating writings long before 1948.

Posted by Jackal">Jackal 2005-05-07 13:55|| http://home.earthlink.net/~sleepyjackal/index.html]">[http://home.earthlink.net/~sleepyjackal/index.html] 2005-05-07 13:55|| Front Page Top

#6 Yes, it's been around for quite awhile.

Posted by Shipman 2005-05-07 15:12|| 2005-05-07 15:12|| Front Page Top

#7 I don't disagree, Jackel. The main difference between Hitler and what has come since is the industrialization of the effort. What's happening in, e.g. Sudan, is no different in terms of intent, although the effort is local, rather than essentially continent-wide. The other difference of the Holocaust, though, is that there was no place for the Jews to escape to. Unlike the Sudanese victims, or the Tutsis, or the Bosnians, or even the Palestinians, there were no refugee camps outside the borders of the conflict -- of my mother's family, only her half-sister was able to leave. Of my father's family, only he and his mother.

But to say that Darfur and its ilk are not attempts at genocide, as the UN is doing, is to ignore the magnitude of the effort by one people to eradicate another, just because they aren't using the tools of gas chambers and concentration camps. The hypocricy is itself a sign that the speaker has surrendered to evil.

Posted by trailing wife 2005-05-07 15:44|| 2005-05-07 15:44|| Front Page Top

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