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2005-05-09 Iraq-Jordan
Putin says US withdrawal from Iraq would compound error of war
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Posted by Steve White 2005-05-09 00:00:00 AM|| || Front Page|| [11137 views since 2007-05-07]  Top

#1 Putin is talking as iff the Commies gave post-Czarist Russia any chance for real democracy that the long-sufferring Russian peoples deserve. Lets all defer to MARTIN SHORT, Canadian, whom on BILL MAHER's show last week adamantly proclaimed how any Canadian politician whom took away Govt-based national welfare-insurance, and or used the name of "GOD", would NOT be elected or re-elected to Canadian-specific national power, ergo CANADA per se is the ALMIGHTY, WORLD-FEARED, WORLD-DOMINATING, "ROME AND THE CAESARS WERE WUSSIES" NATIONAL POWER IT IS TODAY, instead of the hoped-for future battlefield of the Commie Airborne working to quell internal unrest and resistance to OWG and POTUS Chelsea from the AMERIKAN SSR/USSA * SONg - "WHEN YOU THINK YOU'RE SOVEREIGN, BUT YOU'RE NOT, ITS CHIFFON/BETTY CROCKER", aka POTUS Hillary and her People's Waffen SS Soviet Armored Cookie Corps of Amerikan Regulation and Protection!? SSSSSSSHHHHHHHHHHH, MAHER > NO MORE DEMOCRATS OR LEFTIES, ONLY RIGHTIST LIBERALS AND REPUBLICANS/CONSERVATIVES FOR EMPIRE, SOCIALISM, OWG AND COMMUNISM, aka REGULATION AND PROTECTION!?
Posted by JosephMendiola 2005-05-09 01:04||   2005-05-09 01:04|| Front Page Top

#2 Dittos Joe
Posted by I hate Hillary 2005-05-09 01:33||   2005-05-09 01:33|| Front Page Top

#3 I feel like a rant.

[rant]
It is a hallmark of those who do not practice or know dick about democracy to claim it can't be exported. Never having the choice - or having it removed by force by dictators, thugs, mullahs, Islamists, fascists, socialists, communists, the spectrum of "ist" asstards - is no "proof" of anything except rule by force. That's the rant of a dictator's mindset.

Choice. Give people the choice. A free and honest choice - throughout the entire process. There are so few examples, since throughout history there have always been competing factions who sought to assure their own ascendancy. Today there are global interests at work -- media and power-brokers and malignant neighbors and "ist" movements everywhere all seeking to subvert the process for perceived gain.

Has anyone, anywhere, who enjoyed freedom of choice ever freely chosen bondage or slavery or dhimmitude or servitude? Yes, but that's because they're fools. The "honor" of that distinction is, and always will be, reserved to the Moonbats. The self-hating tools and fools who have swallowed the "ist" lies hook, line, and sinker. They deserve it, for being so stupid, but they should have the sense and decency to commit suicide in solitary fashion - not taking everyone else down with them. Since they don't, here in America - the last bastion of freedom where the majority is not the tool of some "ist" mindfuck - they'll just have to suffer. I hope it's extremely painful. Let those who can't discern between freedom and, say, socialism, live in perpetual pain - pain so extreme that it generates a fog so dense thay can't find the polling place on election day. Fuckwits.

What the Iraqis, as a confabulated group, have done, and will do, isn't exactly sterling, but it's a start. It may end in partition. So what? There is nothing inherently wrong with undoing a mistake. Sykes-Picot. Look it up, if you don't already know that Iraq is as artificial as Yugoslavia. The only tragedy that can befall them now, since they are under a level of protection by the presence of coalition forces, would be to allow stupidity to get in the way: To give up or waste this opportunity to make their own choices - and choose freedom. It's obvious that it's not an easy thing for them to do in the face of customs - sources of duress, stigma, and subversion. But the good shit always seems to demand some dues, often heavy. I'd say that, marketing BS aside, most things cost what they're worth.

What democracy (which is press-speak for freedom, and thus patently misused and misleading) is about is choice. Freedom of choice and choices. Looking around, it's pretty clear that's something rare... equally clear is what it's NOT:

Not Russian-style, which is cult of personality based - born of a totalitarian mentality which knows only manipulation and subornation of elections, both at home and in neighboring countries - combined with the Russian custom of kleptocracy, whether communist or czarist in nature, writ very large. Russians have kleptocracy down pat. They're still clueless about freedom, I'm afraid.

Not Arab-style or Paleo-style, which is merely dictators / thugs with guns deciding who can vote or count votes - so the winner can loot whatever oil revenue / aid is available. Since they are incapable of actually producing anything, themselves, foreign aid or a sea of oil, developed by others, is all there is.

Not Chavez-style or Mad Mullah-style, which is to revert to a thugocracy / mullahcracy and then steal elections to proclaim a backward leap into destruction, chaos, and oppression.

Not UN-style with cabals of power-hungry kleptocrats, peddling inane and asinine schemes with no point other than to loot the world. All the rest is window dressing. The legitimacy joke. The justice by world court joke. The world tax joke. So many jokes, so many collaborators, so little to merit saving. A weaving of ponzi and pyramid schemes perfected by others, wrought new in touchy-feely pastels and for-the-children feelings to appeal to the "ist" suckers. OWG? Nah, just the biggest collection of freelance scam artists ever to convene in one location.

Not Chi-Comm-style, which has evolved from pure Imperial dictatorship into communist centralized command economy dictatorship-by-committee into a bastard communist centralized dictatorship-by-committee with some free-trade zones, totally controlled by the cabal's pet kleptocrats. If the Chinese had any trace of honor or justice or guts or gumption or even masculinity left in their genes - after millenia of being yes-men, patsies, servants, suckers, tools, and fools - they'd toss this cabal, this tiny group of a few dozen wankers, into the dog-pits for a snack and get their asses into freedom and capitalism - in a big way. What potential. What waste. Wotta buncha fools. A few dozen wannabee ChiCom dictators holding hostage a billion people. But it's been this way since the dawn of China. And endless stream of kow-tows. This example, China's thousands upon thousands of years of history, is the height of cowardice, the pinnacle of stupidity, the peak of weakness, the pluperfect example of the failure of man's will and sense. China is the ultimate example of the failure of man, thus far. No wonder they're so fucking sensitive. The shame of their perpetual failures is mind boggling. History's perfect losers.

Putin holding forth on democracy is utter rubbish. He's whoring for the whores of Khaleej Times - equally clueless asstards. Now war, well hey, he probably knows a smidgen about that. But it's irrelevant. Whatever comes out of this cretin's mouth, even if agreeable or complimentary, is self-serving and deserves zero notice.

Good thing I don't have any strong feelings about it. Might get all worked up.
[/rant]

STFU, Putty. I know democracy freedom. Democracy Freedom is a friend of mine. And you, sir, don't know dick about it.
Posted by .com 2005-05-09 02:26||   2005-05-09 02:26|| Front Page Top

#4 what PD said, ditto
Posted by Frank G">Frank G  2005-05-09 08:22||   2005-05-09 08:22|| Front Page Top

#5 .com:
[clap][clap][clap][clap]
[stand]
[CLAP][CLAP][CLAP][CLAP]
Posted by Jackal">Jackal  2005-05-09 08:26|| http://home.earthlink.net/~sleepyjackal/index.html]">[http://home.earthlink.net/~sleepyjackal/index.html]  2005-05-09 08:26|| Front Page Top

#6 Wow, .com, when you say "rant", you ain't kidding, lol! And JM too!
BTW .com, Putty does know freedom - that's why he won't let the people have any. His and his mafia/KGB friends asses would be toast
Posted by Spot">Spot  2005-05-09 08:32||   2005-05-09 08:32|| Front Page Top

#7 [standing ovation] Bravo .com!
Posted by Tom 2005-05-09 08:34||   2005-05-09 08:34|| Front Page Top

#8 {airhorn}
Posted by Shipman 2005-05-09 09:42||   2005-05-09 09:42|| Front Page Top

#9 Well put .com. Buy that guy some more coffee somebody.
Posted by Tkat 2005-05-09 09:54||   2005-05-09 09:54|| Front Page Top

#10 It may end in partition. So what?

Two downsides I see. First, can we maintain bases in a divided Iraq? While I know many will wince at the thought - including many Army leaders - my guess is that we need to base troops there for at least 20 years to stabilize the region.

And second, economic. If you want to kickstart functioning democracies there, they need viable economies. Jointly, the various regions of Iraq have a good chance at that. Partition, and it's much less likely -- and that means less likelihood of a middle class that has a stake in stability and a reasonably secular, representative government.

That said, Bravo .com!
Posted by too true 2005-05-09 10:24||   2005-05-09 10:24|| Front Page Top

#11 Well done .com... about the Chinese, a race of yes men.
Posted by sea cruise 2005-05-09 10:53||   2005-05-09 10:53|| Front Page Top

#12 .com:

Don't change a word!
Posted by Xbalanke 2005-05-09 14:03||   2005-05-09 14:03|| Front Page Top

#13 Thx, folks, heh. Had a few burrs under the saddle blanket.

tt - I started whacking out a response for you (built a whole pile o' stuff about partitioning), but I've decided to cut it - I think I'll stop right here. We'll have that debate if it starts to look more likely, heh.

sc - That's been a kind of marvel to me for ages - and seems to be soundly ignored. Can't see why, either. Certainly nothing to be proud of. I would've been harder on them were it not for the man on his way home from work who stopped the tank column in Tiananmen Square. Lunch bag in hand, coat over his arm, and obviously a bellyful of "authority" he cowed not just that lead tank driver - but one billion Chinese - all by his lonesome. HE should emigrate HERE, lol!
Posted by .com 2005-05-09 14:23||   2005-05-09 14:23|| Front Page Top

#14 Come-on .com -- dont hold back -- tell us how you really feel!

Excellent job! Damn! You should be our amb. to the UN (but that would be a waste of your talents).

BRAVO!
Posted by CrazyFool 2005-05-09 14:35||   2005-05-09 14:35|| Front Page Top

#15 .com: Yeah, I was going to say -- a not-*quite* endless stream of kowtowing.

That said, 1989 was a while ago.
Posted by someone 2005-05-09 16:59||   2005-05-09 16:59|| Front Page Top

#16 Lovely rant, .com. Much food for thought -- I'll be digesting for a while... Not to mention some new vocabulary words. ;-)
Posted by trailing wife 2005-05-09 19:20||   2005-05-09 19:20|| Front Page Top

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