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2005-06-30 Great White North

Canada has got only one working sub left

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Posted by gromky 2005-06-30 13:45|| || Front Page|| [4 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Canada has subs?

Posted by Robert Crawford">Robert Crawford 2005-06-30 14:52|| http://www.kloognome.com/]">[http://www.kloognome.com/] 2005-06-30 14:52|| Front Page Top

#2 ...without screen doors?

Posted by Raj 2005-06-30 15:08|| 2005-06-30 15:08|| Front Page Top

#3 Canadian subs? Does mayo or oil work better?

Posted by Tkat 2005-06-30 15:16|| 2005-06-30 15:16|| Front Page Top

#4 What about the couple at that mall in Alberta?

Posted by Chuck Simmins">Chuck Simmins 2005-06-30 15:26|| http://blog.simmins.org]">[http://blog.simmins.org] 2005-06-30 15:26|| Front Page Top

#5 Subs in Canada? The Toronto Blue Jays have some players on the bench, but they are not all that good.

Posted by BigEd 2005-06-30 15:27|| 2005-06-30 15:27|| Front Page Top

#6 Maybe they will sell the extra ones on eBay. I always wanted a submarine.

Hmm, hazegray.org says the 4 Upholder class boats were decommissioned from the RN after only brief service. I wonder what that story is.

Posted by SteveS 2005-06-30 15:29|| 2005-06-30 15:29|| Front Page Top

#7 According to this site:

The [Upholder Class] operational role was reconnaissance in waters too shallow for SSN's , and to provide training. The initial requirement for twelve boats was cut to ten, and then the 1990 - 91 Defence Review cut the class to four.

By [the] time the Cold War was over, their recon role was no longer needed. In the hard financial climate of the day, it was decided that the Submarine Branch should be all nuclear. [The] boats were taken out of service in 1994, and laid up in Barrow Docks...

Posted by Pappy 2005-06-30 15:48|| 2005-06-30 15:48|| Front Page Top

#8 Sub 4 Sale

$550,000 OBO

Posted by BigEd 2005-06-30 15:49|| 2005-06-30 15:49|| Front Page Top

#9 My father grew up in canada and tells me there are less than 10,000 military troops left in the country. If this is true I think I am getting a pretty good picture of why canada wouldnt get on board with this "war on terror" thing. They cant afford socialized "everything" and a military too.
So, they will just roll over and hope we will protect them with our missile defense system that they elected not to take part in.

Posted by bigjim-ky 2005-06-30 15:56|| 2005-06-30 15:56|| Front Page Top

#10 Too Many Americans think of Canada as the northern suburbs of the U. S. A betteer way to look at it is the western departments of France. Do that and France makes sense.

Posted by Mrs. Davis 2005-06-30 16:04|| 2005-06-30 16:04|| Front Page Top

#11 I still don't get it. The Upholders were/are supposed to be a very advanced sub with little wear and tear. I wonder if the Brits sandbagged for a few years... or did maintenance fall off or what? I'd like to think they didn't take advantage of their Canadian buds.

Posted by Shipman 2005-06-30 16:27|| 2005-06-30 16:27|| Front Page Top

#12 They have the subs, but do they have anybody left in the military to crew them?

BigEd, Too cool of a sub. It would look good flying a Rantburg flag. BTW: What does the Rantburg flag look like?

Posted by DO 2005-06-30 16:32|| 2005-06-30 16:32|| Front Page Top

#13 Well, I don't know what we're waiting for. Looks like it's pretty safe to invade, let's get rid of Canada once and for all.

Posted by BH 2005-06-30 16:35|| 2005-06-30 16:35|| Front Page Top

#14 Looks they they had a design flaw:
An investigation into the fire raised concerns about the placement of wires in two areas: near Bulkhead 56 in the engine room and Bulkhead 35 underneath the commanding officers' cabin. Two sets of cables are located low on the sub's wall, near deck level. As a result, they face the possibility of short-circuiting if immersed in sea water.
That's exactly what happened aboard Chicoutimi last Oct. 5 as it started its maiden voyage to Canada from Scotland in rough seas. When sea water poured through two open hatches in the sub's conning tower, the electrical lines beneath the bunk in the captain's cabin were soaked through, causing a short circuit and subsequent fire. The blaze claimed the life of Lieut. Chris Saunders, a combat systems engineer from Halifax.
The documents, known as deficiency identification reports, show engineers are considering moving the lines, possibly to the ceiling, away from potential hazards.

All four submarines have had a history of glitches since they were acquired from Britain in a $891-million lease-to-purchase deal. Deficiency reports show the placement of the cables has been a source of irritation for engineers for some time.
In 2003, repair crews aboard HMCS Windsor traced a loose connection - or ground fault - to Bulkhead 56 in the engine room. They had to tear apart the insulation box to get at the problem. A civilian contractor had to be called in to rebuild the junction.
The military's inquiry into the Chicoutimi fire noted that Bulkhead 35 - the junction beneath the captain's bunk - was never visually inspected after the used sub was refurbished because it was an in an awkward place.

Posted by Steve">Steve 2005-06-30 16:48|| 2005-06-30 16:48|| Front Page Top

#15 MMMMM Canadian Sub with Canadian Bacon, Turkey, lettuce, Tomoto, and Mayo. I hear they serve them at Subway.

Posted by Cyber Sarge">Cyber Sarge 2005-06-30 17:50|| 2005-06-30 17:50|| Front Page Top

#16 Maybe we should do a deal, share the Taiwan Diesel design with Canada in exchange for the continuing ban on hockey.

Posted by Shipman 2005-06-30 19:39|| 2005-06-30 19:39|| Front Page Top

#17 I talked to the guy who cuts my yard. He wants to bid on this $15M contract to move some cables. I wouldn't let him bid though - he doesn't trim around the house very well. You would want more attention to detail for work on submarines. Plus I haven't finished teaching him to drive yet.

Posted by Super Hose 2005-06-30 20:17|| 2005-06-30 20:17|| Front Page Top

#18 Shipman, take advantage? They bent the Canadians over the sofa and made them scream like little girls.

Posted by Chuck Simmins">Chuck Simmins 2005-06-30 20:28|| http://blog.simmins.org]">[http://blog.simmins.org] 2005-06-30 20:28|| Front Page Top

#19 MMMMM Canadian Sub with Canadian Bacon, Turkey, lettuce, Tomoto, and Mayo.

With a side of poutine.

Posted by Robert Crawford">Robert Crawford 2005-06-30 20:37|| http://www.kloognome.com/]">[http://www.kloognome.com/] 2005-06-30 20:37|| Front Page Top

#20 Almost as bad as the French with their one aircraft carrier that spends a lot of time in drydock for repairs.

An old liberal joke about Canada (actually an anti-US joke told by Leftists) went like this:

"What do you call a Canadian?
An unarmed American with health care ... har, har, har."

Now the reality ... what do you call a Canadian?

"An American without an armed forces, without the stones to keep the throat-cutters out of his own country, and without a quality health care system. Har, har, har you good little sissies to the north!"

Posted by Omavitch Cravitch1380">Omavitch Cravitch1380 2005-06-30 21:27|| www.michaelcalderonscall.com]">[www.michaelcalderonscall.com] 2005-06-30 21:27|| Front Page Top

#21 Too Many Americans think of Canada as the northern suburbs of the U. S. A betteer way to look at it is the western departments of France. Do that and France makes sense.

Yup, Mrs D. That's how I read it too.

Posted by too true 2005-06-30 21:32|| 2005-06-30 21:32|| Front Page Top

#22 Tell me, Did Canada really lease/buy these subs so that they could sneak up on illegal fisherman???

Posted by Phinerong Pheregum9142 2005-06-30 23:36|| 2005-06-30 23:36|| Front Page Top

#23 The Canucks had better do something - besides emphasizing or prioritizing Political victory [read - Clintons, etal.] ags an enemy [read- USA/Allies = USA], the Commies "Battle/War/Local Zone" strategems also emphasize Commie milfors making extensive use of local natural terrain, geography, and other factors in Active Defense to offset US Milfors and Miltech dominance [read - Time/Space, etc = weapons ags USA].

Posted by JosephMendiola">JosephMendiola 2005-06-30 23:39|| n/a]">[n/a] 2005-06-30 23:39|| Front Page Top

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