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2005-07-16 Britain

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Posted by Omomoting Hupuling2128 2005-07-16 00:00|| || Front Page|| [1 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 No, the ultimate aim of terrorism is to bring about that very thing, in the expectation of initiating a civil war, which will presumably be won by the terrs' side.

No the idea of terrorism is to instill fear into a populace strong enough so any demands from terrorist would seem reasonable.

And there has been a civil war in the world begun by Islamists in November 1979. It is only in the last few years that the west has begin to take the threat seriously.

Roving bands of kids in England cracking a few skulls, likely innocent folks. BFD. Beats the living sh*t out of being murdered while just conducting your own life.

And I can tell you for a definitive fact the whether or not skinheads are attacking muslims wouldn't have stopped last week's attack and they likely won't stop the next one.

Posted by badanov 2005-07-16 00:10|| http://www.freefirezone.org]">[http://www.freefirezone.org] 2005-07-16 00:10|| Front Page Top

#2 Hello, OM2128, welcome to Rantburg. Your discourse was both civil and well-reasoned, although none of the lads carrying the bombs on the Tube seemed to be illiterate or even particularly vulnerable. I believe it was a conscious and informed decision each of them took to become mass murderers. I also believe they were goaded into that decision by their religious advisers, not by problems with skinheads or other townie punks.

Posted by Seafarious">Seafarious 2005-07-16 01:12|| 2005-07-16 01:12|| Front Page Top

#3 I am a citizen of UK and also hold citizenship of Pakistan.The past few days have made be proud of Britain. The way United Kingdom has handled what is a difficult time has made a deep impression on me - I would fight for this country anytime anyday. Rule Britiania!!!

And yes we have to come hard on the Mullahs in UK. As a moslem I never attend mosques as 99% of them are in control of extremists of one shade or another.I am sick of political correctness coming in way of what really goes on - I should know as I belong to the 'moslem community' and know what goes on.
Maybe next time I will give people a tour of what goes on!!!

Posted by AtanPK 2005-07-16 01:27|| 2005-07-16 01:27|| Front Page Top

#4 AtanPK, welcome to you as well. Good on you for your courage in speaking your mind...a few (or several million) more with you and we'll have this thing licked.

Posted by Seafarious">Seafarious 2005-07-16 01:49|| 2005-07-16 01:49|| Front Page Top

#5 There are a couple of newcomers here and this is not an attack on them, but terrorism doesn't require a 'logic' (or any logic will do) and it is already working. The purpose of terrorism is to extract concessions. I have seen dozens of quotes from muslims that can be summarized as 'Give us what we want and this will go away'. And surprise, surprise politicians are falling over themselves to give the muslims what they want. Resulting in more terrorism becuase it clearly works at least in Europe.

Posted by phil_b 2005-07-16 02:17|| 2005-07-16 02:17|| Front Page Top

#6 phil_b is right. The purpose of terrorism is to win without war (or at least without us warring against them). Muslim terrorists war against us while we sit back and just take it because the specific attackers are dead or nowhere to be found. But Muslim terrorism doesn't exist in a vacuum. It requires propagandists, recruiters, funders, fundraisers, quartermasters and circles of acquaintances and family members to provide aid and comfort to the individual attackers. The question here is whether we treat this as a law enforcement problem or as a war.

If this is a law enforcement problem, we go after the individual attackers and the people with a specific mechanical connection to the attacks, but leave the propagandists and the circle of acquaintances alone. If it is a war, we go after everyone in the group, much as the Allies burned Hamburg, Dresden, Tokyo, Nagasaki and Hiroshima to the ground during WWII. Note that we haven't reached the latter point yet, because our casualties are not as high as they were during WWII, where tens of thousands of Allied troops and even more Allied civilians were getting killed monthly.

Posted by Zhang Fei">Zhang Fei 2005-07-16 08:43|| http://timurileng.blogspot.com]">[http://timurileng.blogspot.com] 2005-07-16 08:43|| Front Page Top

#7 I agree that the way in which the state has allowed fondumentalists to preach is shocking. To see this one can go to Hide Park corner on a Sunday and see clerics openly inciting people to join terrorist groups ands this has been going on for years!

Posted by Omomoting Hupuling2128 2005-07-16 08:52|| 2005-07-16 08:52|| Front Page Top

#8 AtanPK, it's good to hear your voice here, and it gives me some hope that this can all be ended without an Armageddon occurring. Read the Belmont Club's "The Three Conjectures" to see another possible outcome of the WoT - I warn you, it's not pretty.

I wonder if you realise how important voices like yours are? If you would truly fight for this country, then you must tell the police and others what is going on in these extremist mosques, and who is preaching death, destruction and hatred.

I totally agree that the PC attitude in this country is dangerous - because it is distorting the truth and every thinking person in the UK knows this. For example, do we really need 'Muslim-friendly' workplaces as the government has suggested? Does this help with integration? Or is it just a cheap trick to capture the Muslim vote? Why has the BBC excised the word 'terrorist' from news reports from 7/7? Many, many people are very fed up of tricks like this, and the events of 9/11 and more recently 7/7 have served to galvanise the feelings in many that enough is enough and the Muslim world is going to have to sort its own house out if it wants to be a part of the 21st Century and not the 7th. We now know from services such as MEMRI what is being said in Mosques in the Middle East - and frankly we don't like what we hear. Voices like yours are therefore extremely important, and you must speak out - and I, like Seafarious, think it is a very courageous thing you are doing.

One last thing, it was 60 years ago last Sunday that the Second World War ended. 57 million people died in that conflict, the huge majority by explosives and bullets - conventional weapons. It was started by Europeans, just two generations away from the Europeans of today. It would be a major mistake for anyone to think that Europeans are not capable of more fits of collective madness - and this time there are at least two European nations that are armed with Nuclear weapons.

Time, as they say, is running out...

Posted by Tony (UK) 2005-07-16 12:25|| 2005-07-16 12:25|| Front Page Top

#9 AtanPK, Welcome. I look forward to your future comments.

Posted by Mrs. Davis 2005-07-16 13:29|| 2005-07-16 13:29|| Front Page Top

#10 With respect, it doesn't matter if you agree with the backlash and it will do no good to appeal to would-be vigilantes. People take the law into their own hands when they lose faith in the government's ability to do the job. Once that happens, all bets are off.

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