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2005-08-06 Great White North

Air France Jet Landed Too Far Down Runway

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Posted by Steve White 2005-08-06 00:00|| || Front Page|| [1 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 it appeared that Air France Flight 358 from Paris was coming in too fast

The crew of the A320 in Warsaw also increased speed during landing after receiving information from the tower about windshear across their flight path.

Levasseur should have said that the A340 landed too far down the runway, for this particular runway. Had they used the adjacent runway, 24R, which is 500 feet longer, maybe this wouldn't have been a big deal (200 yards = 600 feet, 24R is 9,500ft long)

Sounds like a repeat of the Warsaw incident (except there they did have a longer runway).

Posted by Rafael 2005-08-06 01:02|| 2005-08-06 01:02|| Front Page Top

#2 Regardless of what caused the crash, somebody's guardian angel is in line for a merit pay increase.

Posted by Mike 2005-08-06 09:22|| 2005-08-06 09:22|| Front Page Top

#3 ...but it is too soon to know if that was the reason for the crash, aviation investigators said Friday.

I'd have to say overshooting a runway kinda, sorta contributes to a crash...

Posted by Raj 2005-08-06 10:23|| 2005-08-06 10:23|| Front Page Top

#4 Overshooting a runway is way the hell better than the alternatives. You get to skid for awhile, and reverse thrust.

Posted by Shipman 2005-08-06 11:40|| 2005-08-06 11:40|| Front Page Top

#5 If Air France is investigating itself,I can tell you what the result will be-inadequate AirTraffic Controll cmbined w/too short runway and bad weather caused the heroic flight crew to take the only chance they had at landing during a small window of less winds. If the ATC had not misguided them,the crew would have landed where they should have. If the runway met EU standards,there would have been enough runway. If the ATC had not tried to land aircraft in such terrible weather,none of this would have happened.

Nothing to do w/an inexperienced copilot letting his ego take over and commit to a landing he had started,instead of going around. Certainly there was no panic in the copilot trying to land as fast as he could in bad weather and afraid it would be worse if he went around. BTW,why was the pilot letting his copilot land in such bad weather? Unless this was a check ride,every pilot I've known or read about wants the controls in tight situations.

I could be completely wrong,but if the Warsaw and Canadian incident turn out to be very similar,it may point to a problem w/flight control system. If the winds are just right,rapid strong gusts,perhaps the computer is fooled into thinking the plane is stalling and automatically adds thrust-or indicates to pilots that a/c is stalling which would cause them to increase power and try to keep some height. Have no idea if this is case,but if it keeps happening,worth a look.

Posted by Stephen 2005-08-06 12:29|| 2005-08-06 12:29|| Front Page Top

#6 strong gusts,perhaps the computer is fooled into thinking the plane is stalling and automatically adds thrust-or indicates to pilots that a/c is stalling which would cause them to increase power and try to keep some height

Ima liking that....

Posted by Shipman 2005-08-06 12:47|| 2005-08-06 12:47|| Front Page Top

#7 The fact is though, that runway is too short. If I can make a prediction, all "heavies" from now on will refuse to land on that runway in rain or strong winds. Air France in particular will not use that runway again.

Posted by Rafael 2005-08-06 18:39|| 2005-08-06 18:39|| Front Page Top

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