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2005-11-17 Europe

Police say France 'back to normal' after rioting (i.e. 98 CarBQues, 33 arrests)

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Posted by ed 2005-11-17 11:19|| || Front Page|| [1 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Realted: Rioting fires up Sarkozy in polls
France's weeks of riots have propelled Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy into pole position to become president. While the French public has given general backing to President Jacques Chirac's Government in cracking down on youths behind the urban violence, Mr Sarkozy has benefited most, according to a new survey.

The Ipsos poll found his popularity had leapt 11 points to 63per cent, that his "presidential vote potential" had climbed to 61per cent, and that 68per cent supported his hardline approach to the unrest. That puts him well ahead of Prime Minister Dominique de Villepin, whose popularity rose a more modest seven points to 50per cent, while Mr Chirac lifted his rating by six points to 39per cent.

Posted by ed 2005-11-17 11:26|| 2005-11-17 11:26|| Front Page Top

#2 Chirac and de Villepin gained points for their response?

Boggle. Phrance is truly DOA. JFM, anonymous5089, it's definitely time to leave, bros.

Posted by .com 2005-11-17 11:30|| 2005-11-17 11:30|| Front Page Top

#3 Don't laugh : a "normal" night of typical unrest in the 'hoods all over France is 90-100 torched cars, each and every day of the year, with surges at Xmas and New Year (gee, I wonder why), and at the end of Ramadan (idem).

I repeat myself, but there is no "insecurity" in France, there is instead a low-level, low intensity intifada (uprising) directed against french instutions and symbols (police, firefighters,...), and whenever possible, french citizens (gangrapes, assaults, beatings,...).

It's been going on since the 90's at least, with muslims being over-represented in crime stats since, well, the 70's.

Posted by anonymous5089 2005-11-17 11:33|| 2005-11-17 11:33|| Front Page Top

#4 And obviously under-reported or not reported at all, since 100 torched cars/day (what a wacked-out metric, lol) day in and day out should have been on our radar long before this recent orgy.

Posted by .com 2005-11-17 11:39|| 2005-11-17 11:39|| Front Page Top

#5 Dot com, yes I agree, this is unbelievable, we're screwed, and, no, I can't leave because I wouldn't even make it.
I'm screwed too.

This is to be somehow relativized, though, the most spectacular surges have been Philippe "l'agitÃ© du bocage" De Villiers (conservative catholic, explicitely opposed to France's islamization, I like that guy) and Jean-Marie "neuneuille" Le Pen (right-wing troublemaker paleocon, in a kinda perverted way I like that old joker, but I would be really scared having him run France), the whole political landscape has a bit shifted to the right, and people are not so easily duped. Of course, I stay informed by reading conservative or right-wing forums, so I'm probably biased.

Oh, well, wel'l see at the 2007 presidential elections :

- either it is business as usual, with Sarko/Fabius/Galouzeau "de Villepin" (who's a man)/... elected, and then things will get out of hand later, when the country truly goes bankrupt Ã la Argentina (except with 8-10 millions restless muslims)

- either something happens like in 2002 or with the TCE referendum, a right-wing (or even possibly a leftist) candidate goes to the second turn, or even, God forbids, wins.
In that case, situation gets out of hand right now.

Immediate future of France is bound to be rocky. If not, that means we'll go out without a whimper, fading away like an old, exhausted Nation.

Posted by anonymous5089 2005-11-17 11:47|| 2005-11-17 11:47|| Front Page Top

#6 According to statistics of Interior minister a normal night is around 20-25 CarBQs. Ie 7200 to 9000 a year. At 100 a night we are well above the noraml.

Posted by JFM">JFM 2005-11-17 11:49|| 2005-11-17 11:49|| Front Page Top

#7 So everything is back to normal. Great. I'll bet those emergency laws that they just extended can all be rescinded now. (Don't anyone hold their breath.)

Posted by Dave 2005-11-17 11:50|| 2005-11-17 11:50|| Front Page Top

#8 JFM, I thought that statistic counts each fire once, though it may burn several cars.

Posted by ed 2005-11-17 12:01|| 2005-11-17 12:01|| Front Page Top

#9 JFM, I'm sorry, you're usually right and I really respect your words (((sucking noises))), but this time I stick to my numbers : 2005 was going to settle for 30 000 burnt cars BEFORE the francifada, and this was coherent with preceeding years's results (IE 20-30 000 torched cars a year, knowing that official stats count only the starting fire and not the collaterally destroyed vehicles).

90-100 a night might seem a bit high, but this seems to fit with what I've read (a bit like the number of bombings in Corsica : from 600 a year in the late 90's, to 300, to about 150 now... this seemm to high to be credible for a peacetime Nation,, but theses are the numbers).

Posted by anonymous5089 2005-11-17 12:13|| 2005-11-17 12:13|| Front Page Top

#10 C'mon. Nothin to see here. It's just your car on fire. It's a tradition here. You've seen it all before. Move it along...

Posted by tu3031 2005-11-17 12:23|| 2005-11-17 12:23|| Front Page Top

#11 On second thought, if you provide me with official stats (that's what you wrote), I'll admit my mistake, but I do remember the fuzz about the "30 000 cars" before the november fun.
Anyway, stats are under-evaluated, that at least is true.

Posted by anonymous5089 2005-11-17 12:23|| 2005-11-17 12:23|| Front Page Top

#12 5089

The key is according to statistics

Posted by JFM">JFM 2005-11-17 12:31|| 2005-11-17 12:31|| Front Page Top

#13 JFM,

Make sure when you come you bring the pictures in the Louvre and, most especially, Melissa Theriau. DO NOT leave her for the Muslims.

Posted by mac 2005-11-17 12:46|| 2005-11-17 12:46|| Front Page Top

#14 .com: Chirac and de Villepin gained points for their response?

They did put out a really tough response. Practically no one got killed, and yet they put out a curfew and invoked extraordinary powers of arrest and detention. Stateside, there have been curfews - during the Watts and LA riots, for instance, but nothing like the kinds of measures invoked in France. (Of course, stateside, strong measures means shooting rioters rather than detaining rioters and rabble-rousers).

Posted by Elmenter Snineque1852 2005-11-17 12:51|| 2005-11-17 12:51|| Front Page Top

#15 LOL - I'll second that! And yeah, those paintings, too, heh. :-)

Posted by .com 2005-11-17 12:51|| 2005-11-17 12:51|| Front Page Top

#16 Oops, too fast for me ES!

#15 is to mac's #13.

ES - But it took them, what, 11 weeks to do dick? If that's good enough for the Phrench public, then they are truly screwed. Just imagine being some poor schmuck who drives a truck or private taxi - and it was torched - and your pols cluck their tongues like it's just naughty schoolboys.

It's hard to say what would happen today in the US to something like this. Most big city PD's have acquired some stocks of non-lethal gear for handling "riots", but most big cities have moron Big Blue Mayors who haven't much stomach for a real fight - likely against people with whom they have much in common, politically.

Once live-fire became a feature, however, we would see just what they're made of. Their PD's aren't morons - or at least they grow out of those soft touch-feely idiot ideas when they've been on the job a couple of years, but the city leaders are, so it would be very, um, strained - yeah, I think that's the right word.

Posted by .com 2005-11-17 13:02|| 2005-11-17 13:02|| Front Page Top

#17 .com, I don't think Da Mayor will have any problem busting heads if any maroons try doing a CarBQ here on da south side. And youse can take dat to da bank.

Posted by Steve White 2005-11-17 13:40|| 2005-11-17 13:40|| Front Page Top

#18 Lol, indeed, there are a few exceptions amongst the Big Blue Machines. :-)

Posted by .com 2005-11-17 13:49|| 2005-11-17 13:49|| Front Page Top

#19 I confirm : the talking-head at the France 2 news report sez that "98" is back to normalcy, the usual number of burnt cars in France. If this is on teevee, then it must be true.

Posted by anonymous5089 2005-11-17 14:10|| 2005-11-17 14:10|| Front Page Top

#20 Don't laugh : a "normal" night of typical unrest in the 'hoods all over France is 90-100 torched cars,

Surely this violates the Kyoto treaty!

Posted by Raj 2005-11-17 14:23|| 2005-11-17 14:23|| Front Page Top

#21 Colorado Springs has 35,000 active-duty military and 45,000, mostly armed retirees. About a third of the active duty folks are Iraq/Afghan veterans, and half the active duty are Vietnam vets. I don't think we're going to have any problems here...

Posted by Old Patriot">Old Patriot 2005-11-17 15:00|| http://oldpatriot.blogspot.com/]">[http://oldpatriot.blogspot.com/] 2005-11-17 15:00|| Front Page Top

#22 oops! Should read, "half the retirees are Vietnam vets"

Posted by Old Patriot">Old Patriot 2005-11-17 15:02|| http://oldpatriot.blogspot.com/]">[http://oldpatriot.blogspot.com/] 2005-11-17 15:02|| Front Page Top

#23 According to statistics of Interior minister a normal night is around 20-25 CarBQs. Ie 7200 to 9000 a year. At 100 a night we are well above the noraml.

JFM, I know this has already been mentioned here, but even at a paltry $10,000 per car, 100 cars per day is a whopping $1 MILLION every 24 hours. To paraphrase Senator Dirksen, "A million here, a million there, and pretty soon you're talking about some serious money."

Is the government replacing these cars? Are the insurance companies honoring these claims? Is the average French citizen taking a huge hit with each vehicle lost? Where is the money coming from and why hasn't this one single issue driven some immediate resolution of such insanity?

The French economy is taking a huge hit over this and it is being swept under the rug. Something's rotten in ~~Denmark~~ France.

Posted by Zenster 2005-11-17 16:34|| 2005-11-17 16:34|| Front Page Top

#24 Anybody have any references on how Detroit calmed down Hell Night?

Posted by James">James 2005-11-17 16:42|| http://idontknowbut.blogspot.com]">[http://idontknowbut.blogspot.com] 2005-11-17 16:42|| Front Page Top

#25 JFM, I know this has already been mentioned here, but even at a paltry $10,000 per car

I would tell 5,000$. 10,000$ is the price of a nearly new car (small model).

Are the insurance companies honoring these claims? Is the average French citizen taking a huge hit with each vehicle lost?

Depends how they are insured. Anyway insurance companies pay at the used car value. If they are insured then companies must pay but I think there are provisions exempting them in case of general violences. In that case it is the tax payer who pays.

Posted by JFM">JFM 2005-11-17 17:11|| 2005-11-17 17:11|| Front Page Top

#26 I don't things in france are ever normal. Sounds like the production of autos and the death (burning of autos) might follow a birth-death population model. Crazy situation.

Posted by John Q. Citizen 2005-11-17 18:11|| 2005-11-17 18:11|| Front Page Top

#27 If they are insured then companies must pay but I think there are provisions exempting them in case of general violences. In that case it is the tax payer who pays.

By "taxpayer" do you mean the government is reimbursing car owners, or that the owners themselves must foot the bill?

This is nucking futs. If there were roving gangs in my town torching random cars and the cops were doing f&*k-all, I'd be purchasing a 9mm or and a 30.6 to solve the problem before it arose. A crowd of citizens firing into an approaching gang of these maggots (after the first car was torched) would have sent an unmistakable and direly needed message.

These slugs have ruined how many countless people's lives and nary a peep is heard? This goes beyond wierd.

[cue Twilight Zone music]

Posted by Zenster 2005-11-17 20:03|| 2005-11-17 20:03|| Front Page Top

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