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2005-11-30 -Short Attention Span Theater-
Rantburg's Brutal Fascist Reason
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Posted by Secret Master 2005-11-30 11:13|| || Front Page|| [11137 views since 2007-05-07]  Top

#1 That boy needs to spend few days under strict Sharia law.
Posted by anymouse">anymouse  2005-11-30 11:24||   2005-11-30 11:24|| Front Page Top

#2 That's our buddy and sometime commentor 'willtotruth'. He's just bitter 'cos we won't let him post Counterpunch articles.
Posted by Seafarious">Seafarious  2005-11-30 11:28||   2005-11-30 11:28|| Front Page Top

#3 Hail Doogie!
Posted by mmurray821 2005-11-30 11:33||   2005-11-30 11:33|| Front Page Top

#4 Here one can watch the forming of opinions and the making of arguments - arguments that need to be criticized and destroyed.

He can criticize our arguments/views all he likes, but destroy them? Please.
Posted by Bomb-a-rama 2005-11-30 11:43||   2005-11-30 11:43|| Front Page Top

#5 Those are not the ones, however, that send a chill down my spine:

What spine?
Posted by Besoeker 2005-11-30 11:43||   2005-11-30 11:43|| Front Page Top

#6 He's just trying to drum up a few more clicks on his site meter. I'm guessing he only gets those 100 visitors who listen to Air America and were at Camp Casey signing books.

hey Willow of Truth, bending in the wind...how do you feel about the Dem's new make-over? They are all for the war now. And even your beloved Howard Dean is now a "Neo-con".

Gonna get mighty lonely out there on the fringe.
Posted by 2b 2005-11-30 11:48||   2005-11-30 11:48|| Front Page Top

#7 If you read the comments stimulated by an article posted at Rantburg.com, you’d find about 75% being racist, hateful crap.

I object! At least 50% of the comments are flat-out mockery and ridicule aimed at idjits like Brad!
Posted by BH 2005-11-30 12:02||   2005-11-30 12:02|| Front Page Top

#8 ack! fashests!? fashests!? how kum nun yalls toled me yoo were fashests?
Posted by muck4doo 2005-11-30 12:08|| http://meatismurder.blogspot.com/]">[http://meatismurder.blogspot.com/]  2005-11-30 12:08|| Front Page Top

#9 Brad Stroud, aka WillToTruth, writes in :

In that spirit, I posit a challenge to those who have even a few minutes to spare to offer to “Rantburg: Civil and Well Reasoned Discourse”. Perhaps there really is some civility and reason to be had here but just in case, I implore you all to offer precisely that to Rantburg. Offer up good solid articles or your own articles or just respond - reasonably - to the ones already posted. Then defend your views against the snipes from the subterraneans whose willtoignorance illuminates the meaning of exercising ones willtotruth. Do so in the name of confronting racism if nothing else.

Take a shot at it.

Tell me about your encounters. Forward them even, as a comment and perhaps we can then have some civil and reasoned discourse on the meaning and value of the discourse at Rantburg.

BMS


And his loyal reader Jez replies:
jez Says:
November 18th, 2005 at 11:01 am
A lot of bollox there, as should be expected. A few ready-made ad hominems too, which look like they were copied and pasted from some ‘how to bash a liberal’ website or someth.(sic)M/blockquote>

copied and pasted ad hominems? At the 'burg? I don't think so.

Stop by Brad's and leave something. Tell us about your encounters. Forward them even, as a comment. lol.
Posted by Mrs. Davis 2005-11-30 12:09||   2005-11-30 12:09|| Front Page Top

#10 I'm buttoning up my digital brownshirt even as we speak post, Muck.
Posted by Seafarious">Seafarious  2005-11-30 12:11||   2005-11-30 12:11|| Front Page Top

#11 Oh little liberal, fear any opposing viewpoint and simply dismiss them as invalid. Shy away from open dialogue and let your listener know only your argument. For if you let the conservative viewpoint into your space, it will rally your followers to it.
Posted by bigjim-ky 2005-11-30 12:11||   2005-11-30 12:11|| Front Page Top

#12 I'm sorry. Did you say something Brad? I was busy shining my jackboots.
Posted by tu3031 2005-11-30 12:12||   2005-11-30 12:12|| Front Page Top

#13 you’d find about 75% being racist, hateful crap

Come on people, you're not trying hard enough! We've got a reputation to live up to. I want more crap, or else!
Posted by Steve">Steve  2005-11-30 12:31||   2005-11-30 12:31|| Front Page Top

#14 Offer up good solid articles or your own articles or just respond - reasonably - to the ones already posted.

In this case, 'good' is in the eye of the beholder, rather than in the eyes of potential readers. And simply regurgitating anti-war talking-points is not responding reasonably. The nym 'willtotruth' kinda sez it all: arrogant, myopic, and well... fascist.

.com is the most fascist fascist of us all.

But he has the most wonderful NSFW pics tho... :)
Posted by Pappy 2005-11-30 12:40||   2005-11-30 12:40|| Front Page Top

#15 the snipes from the subterraneans whose willtoignorance illuminates the meaning of exercising ones willtotruth

I don't think he means me specifically, but thanks for the compliment. Excuse me now, I have to get back to my fascist war mongering and drinking the blood of live babies.
Posted by BrerRabbit 2005-11-30 13:10||   2005-11-30 13:10|| Front Page Top

#16 "But he has the most wonderful NSFW pics tho... :)"

That's just his gender-fascism showing.
Posted by Xbalanke 2005-11-30 13:14||   2005-11-30 13:14|| Front Page Top

#17 WooHoo, ,com!

I am officially jealous of you!

Way to go, .com, baby.

Give me five!
Posted by badanov 2005-11-30 13:32|| http://www.freefirezone.org/firststrike.html]">[http://www.freefirezone.org/firststrike.html]  2005-11-30 13:32|| Front Page Top

#18 He's just trying to drum up a few more clicks on his site meter. I'm guessing he only gets those 100 visitors who listen to Air America and were at Camp Casey signing books.

I'd f*ckin' kill for a hundred visitors. Hell, I'd kill for just five ;o)
Posted by badanov 2005-11-30 13:35|| http://www.freefirezone.org/firststrike.html]">[http://www.freefirezone.org/firststrike.html]  2005-11-30 13:35|| Front Page Top

#19 Brad aka Willtotruth came for a visit and apparently tossed his cookies after his first visit. What would you expect? Anyone who would call the majority of us fascists and racists must have a pretty delicate disposition. He needs a dose of the real world. I recommend a tour:

Compare and contrast: American agriculture and housing vs. Zim-Bob's. Arlington National Cemetery vs. Saddam's mass graves. Self-guided tour of Washington, DC vs. self-guided tour of Pyongyang. Gitmo vs. Dear Leader's gulags. Freedom of speech in the U.S. vs. speech in Tehran, Pyongyang, Gaza, or Damascas.

Buy a one-way ticket, Brad. If you tossed your cookies after one trip to Rantburg, you'll never survive the tour.

Posted by Darrell 2005-11-30 13:37||   2005-11-30 13:37|| Front Page Top

#20 badanov: There you go - I visited your site, you counter-whore, you. ;)
Posted by BH 2005-11-30 13:53||   2005-11-30 13:53|| Front Page Top

#21 Brad, you wouldn't know truth if it kicked you in the ass.

Go to Iraq and practice your stuff with the terrorists. Go "...confront them actively instead of dismissing them passively.?"
Posted by John Q. Citizen 2005-11-30 14:13||   2005-11-30 14:13|| Front Page Top

#22 If you read the comments stimulated by an article posted at Rantburg.com, you’d find about 75% being racist, hateful crap.

If you consider non-PC language to be "racist, hateful crap", then guilty as charged. In my entire time here, Fred and the moderators, to their extreme credit, have always promptly slapped down bigotry and hate-speech whenever it rears its ugly head.

Those who aren't on speaking terms with the truth will always have a difficult time here at Rantburg. Too bad for them. My heart pumps p!ss.
Posted by Zenster 2005-11-30 14:21||   2005-11-30 14:21|| Front Page Top

#23 Ya got a hit from me as well, bad. Hope it was good for you too. ;-)
Posted by Seafarious">Seafarious  2005-11-30 14:27||   2005-11-30 14:27|| Front Page Top

#24 .com. It must be like having a cigarette after sex.

Those that stay here awhile will realize there is no facism or racism. At times, salty language.

I do find that combat gear and booze do hinder my typing.
Posted by John Q. Citizen 2005-11-30 14:40||   2005-11-30 14:40|| Front Page Top

#25 You (and me too, I guess) are all a bunch of fascists???

I'm very confused... I thought you were zionist stooges... now I don't know what or who to believe anymore, dang! It's like my whole universe is spiralling out of control.
Posted by anonymous5089 2005-11-30 14:57||   2005-11-30 14:57|| Front Page Top

#26 Heh. He just got a case of weak knees cuz I put the crosshairs on him in that thread. pronetobabble thinks he's been in the lion's den. Lol.

What he's missing, in a very big way, IMHO, is that we are not the ones trying to reinvent America. We are trying to keep America the bastion of freedom it was founded to be - and has been. He and his socialist scum buddies are the ones trying to rewrite the constitution and reinvent America as a Stalinist outpost - scoring a fatal coup against freedom. Fuck him. He can't have America - not while we draw breath, anyway.
Posted by .com 2005-11-30 14:59||   2005-11-30 14:59|| Front Page Top

#27 Not to beat on a dead horse, but I especially liked this comment:

Hate, hate, hate - for the Palestianians, of course.

First of all Brad, I might not be an English major but I think they're called Palestinians. Spell check your blog postings, my man. Secondly, it’s not that we “hate, hate, hate” the “Palestianians” (as you call them). It’s just that, well, to be honest they’re not real lovable.

Of course you, not being a fascist and all, spend a great deal of time mulling over the Jewish problem.
Posted by Secret Master 2005-11-30 15:01||   2005-11-30 15:01|| Front Page Top

#28 Rantburg, now with 75% racist, hateful crap!
Posted by Formerly Dan 2005-11-30 15:18||   2005-11-30 15:18|| Front Page Top

#29 It always gives my blood pressure white caps when lefties toss around the words "fascist" and "racist." Their use of these words is a dodge, a way of avoiding the hard work of gathering facts and using logic.

Thus, people who favor small government and self-reliance are "fascists" even though real fascism, as promoted by Mussolini and Franco, for example, envisioned a populace subordinated to the will of the state as expressed by a maximum leader.

Similarly, the left uses the word "racist" whenever any group whose behavior they wish to excuse is criticized, even if that group has no homogeneous racial component at all--for example, Islam, which is multi-ethnic.

By the use of these throw-away words the left trivializes all reason and analysis that does not meet their ends, thus weakening the entities that require free, honest debate to survive, most especially democracy.
Posted by Jonathan">Jonathan  2005-11-30 15:23||   2005-11-30 15:23|| Front Page Top

#30 "...the Jewish Problem" So much naive self-rightous and self-important babble and prattle.
Posted by John Q. Citizen 2005-11-30 15:26||   2005-11-30 15:26|| Front Page Top

#31 Poor Wisp of the Willow. I'm guessing he's over the age of 50 or under the age of 23. Cause it seems you have to be that old or that young to cling to the discredited beliefs to which he so desperately adheres for his sense of superiority over us knuckle dragging conservatives.

His idea of a discussion is to simply scream racist - like in the olden days they would scream heretic to anyone who might threaten to ask uncomfortable questions regarding religion. No "discussion" is needed. An accusation of witch or heretic is adequate reason enough to discredit the points made.

One need only look at the wretched trail of misery left in the wake of the belief system to which Willow clings. Welfare reform in the US? Based on the idea that the little brown folk were incapable of fending for themselves and needed to be fed and housed like livestock in corrals...never mind they are perfectly capable of living free. Poor little brown victims...we shouldn't expect any more from them, right Willow. Hmmm...whose the "racist" in that argument.

And who is really responsible for the "plight of the Palestinians"? IJMHO, but I happen to think that they would have been much further along by now if the Willows of the world didn't bow to the corrupt and selfish Arafat - who used them as pawns. If instead the world had called upon them 20 years ago to act like adults, and stop blaming the Jews for their every problem, then perhaps they would have had 20 years to establish a meaningful form of government. But the willows of the world gave them nothing but words of support for the self-destructive, victimization blame game that leaves them in the chaos that exists for them today.

Here's a challenge for Willow Boy. Try to have a discussion - just one - where you argue ideas rather than simply screeching "racist" as if that was all you needed to say. For two reasons, one, the word has lost all of it's impact and second because it's not a meaninful discussion.
Posted by 2b 2005-11-30 15:34||   2005-11-30 15:34|| Front Page Top

#32 Why does .com always get star billing? I deserve to be called the Fascist's Fascist. I worked hard at it. It's all about MEEEEEEEEEEE!
Posted by phil_b 2005-11-30 16:12||   2005-11-30 16:12|| Front Page Top

#33 Actually Brad, this is a one-man low-budget operations. All the opinions expressed are those of Fred. Fred is Seafarious, .com, Alaska Paul, mojo, Shipman, DePotGuy, John Q, Dave, CyberSarge, Desert Blondie, Barbara S. and all those funny names too. It is hard work but someone has to do it.
Posted by John Q. Citizen 2005-11-30 16:13||   2005-11-30 16:13|| Front Page Top

#34 Hmmmmmmmm. He got THREE comments on his eloquent commentary and one of those was his. Color me impressed!
Oh, well. Another coat on my jackboots...
Posted by tu3031 2005-11-30 16:27||   2005-11-30 16:27|| Front Page Top

#35 He got THREE comments on his eloquent commentary and one of those was his. Color me impressed!

My fellow Rantburgers must be a self-disciplined bunch - you mean to say that nobody left a message on Brad's board?! Or is it more likely that he removes comments he disagrees with? Fascism, indeed.
Posted by BH 2005-11-30 16:37||   2005-11-30 16:37|| Front Page Top

#36 Guilty as charged, BH.
Posted by Secret Master 2005-11-30 16:45||   2005-11-30 16:45|| Front Page Top

#37 I left a reasonably-toned reply--but all it says at the moment is that my comment is "awaiting moderation". We'll see indeed if he's interested in level-headed discourse.
Posted by Crusader 2005-11-30 17:01||   2005-11-30 17:01|| Front Page Top

#38 I'm heading over to Brad's, where I will use the power of the Iron Crotch to beat him senseless with my willie.
Posted by growler 2005-11-30 17:09||   2005-11-30 17:09|| Front Page Top

#39 Dear Abbey. I've got fascitis. Does that mean I'm a fascist.
Posted by Spailing Angeck7534 2005-11-30 17:13||   2005-11-30 17:13|| Front Page Top

#40 I left a comment. Let's see if it sticks. Here it is --

=====

I’m a moderator at Rantburg. I’ve personally pranged some of the articles you tried to post, Brad. We generally don’t accept articles written by known moonbats (or unknown moonbats, either, and we generally can figure those out). But if you have something you want to say, by all means, leave a comment.

What I find humorous is this: in your quest to portray people who comment regularly (and that includes me, I take it) at Rantburg as ‘racist’ and ‘fascist’, you demonstrate one of the great truisms of modern politics –

– it’s the hard Left that is screechy, violent, hateful and nasty.

And I thank you for doing so.

Now then, since you brought up a few specifics, it would be rude of me not to reply with specifics.

al-Zarqawi is no myth. He’s a real person and he’s murdered a number of people in Iraq. He’s personally beheaded several. That’s ‘beheaded’, as in, wielding a sword and cutting a person’s head off. On video. We at Rantburg tend not to like such people. You might want to comment, either at Rantburg or on your own blog, how you feel about beheadings. Seems rather ‘hateful’ to me.

White phosphorus: WP is not a weapon of mass destruction. It’s a smoke and incindinerary device used by every Western military. The US doesn’t use it against civilians. You might not have noticed this, but our military takes a great deal of care to get civilians out of the way of the fight. You might wish to compare that to how the jihadis and Ba’athists deliberately use civilians as shields. Apparently they don’t respect civilians very much. Seems rather ‘hateful’ to me.

Palestinians, or as I like to refer to them, ‘Paleostinians’. Space limitations don’t permit me to go into details, but you may wish, on your blog, to compare and contrast the restraint the Israelis show to what would happen if the Paleos ever got the upper hand. Hint: all the Joooos die. Seems rather ‘hateful’ to me.

War on Terror: yup, it’s going to go on for a while, until the Islamofascists (who are real ‘fascists’, by the way) either are killed or decide to study computer programming, or become Unitarians.

.com: we love him. Great guy. Has lived in Arabia, Asia and other hellholes. He’s seen hellholes, and I rather suspect you haven’t. You might want to invite him for a beer sometime, he’s got some great stories.

Best wishes,

Steve White
Moderator, Rantburg
Posted by Steve White">Steve White  2005-11-30 17:23||   2005-11-30 17:23|| Front Page Top

#41 Well, my comment was indeed allowed in the thread "Making the Inconceivable Obvious - Israeli Power, Palestinian Survival". We'll see where the lines are drawn shortly I imagine.
Posted by Crusader 2005-11-30 17:32||   2005-11-30 17:32|| Front Page Top

#42 doubt .com would go for the beer - he's a teetotaler now, but nice to see a MOD kick ass for our beloved PD, thx, SW!
Posted by Frank G">Frank G  2005-11-30 18:19||   2005-11-30 18:19|| Front Page Top

#43 Well look at that. Surprise, surprise, surprise Brad! The troglodytes are awake and are coming out of the mud! And they're...articulate!
Posted by tu3031 2005-11-30 18:22||   2005-11-30 18:22|| Front Page Top

#44 how kum nun yalls toled me yoo were fashests?

On accounta we'z tryn ta keep it secret-like Mucky. Shhhhhh .....

'n also coz Rove ain't tole us to yet.
Posted by lotp 2005-11-30 19:47||   2005-11-30 19:47|| Front Page Top

#45 What he's missing, in a very big way, IMHO, is that we are not the ones trying to reinvent America. We are trying to keep America the bastion of freedom it was founded to be - and has been. He and his socialist scum buddies are the ones trying to rewrite the constitution and reinvent America as a Stalinist outpost - scoring a fatal coup against freedom. Fuck him. He can't have America - not while we draw breath, anyway.

Amen, Brother .com!
Posted by lotp 2005-11-30 19:48||   2005-11-30 19:48|| Front Page Top

#46 Amen LOTP and .com
Posted by Frank G">Frank G  2005-11-30 20:06||   2005-11-30 20:06|| Front Page Top

#47 Now this is skeery, lol. I can handle dimwit orcs who live under bridges and suck up DU and Kos as truth - they're dumb as rocks and kinda fun to play with. But you guys, denizens from the opposite end of the IQ and capabilities scale, skeer the shit outta me, lol! I'd better skedaddle back to my game and hide. Very humbly. 8-}
Posted by .com 2005-11-30 20:27||   2005-11-30 20:27|| Front Page Top

#48 As an alias in the Army of Fred*, I (he, they, we, ye) in the amen corner amen .com's comments.

*See comment #33
Posted by Alaska Paul">Alaska Paul  2005-11-30 20:45||   2005-11-30 20:45|| Front Page Top

#49 I think we hurt his feelings.
Posted by Thoth 2005-11-30 22:46|| http://www.evolvedamnyou.blogspot.com/]">[http://www.evolvedamnyou.blogspot.com/]  2005-11-30 22:46|| Front Page Top

#50 Gosharoonies, he sure sounds all constructive 'n reasonable now, unlike his appearance here, as he sort of admits. I'm feeling purdy bad. I think I'll have a beer cup of tea.

Two bits of advice for folks who come to RB - or, hell, to any blogsite:

1) Do not assume that the discussion began with your post. At RB, it has probably been ongoing for a long long time. Perhaps the same people here who engage you have been discussing said topic for years. Yes, years.

2) Choose a neutral nym. A pretentious nym lessens your chance of being heard. Think about it. Attempting to craft some faux-clever nym merely indicates you're packing an agenda: you did not come to discuss diddley-squat, you came to peddle your view. Lol, trust me, it does not lend that air or aura you find so compelling, but invites ridicule. You have to be exceptionally convincing, well spoken, and erudite to overcome it, in fact. It is a burden. Pretenses always are.

My 2¢.
Posted by .com 2005-11-30 23:31||   2005-11-30 23:31|| Front Page Top

#51 Rantburg "...unrelenting logic..."

That is why I am here.

SPo'D
Posted by Mahou Sensei Negi-bozu 2005-11-30 23:47||   2005-11-30 23:47|| Front Page Top

#52 Squid boy, nutin' but squid.
Posted by Captain America 2005-11-30 23:47||   2005-11-30 23:47|| Front Page Top

23:51 DMFD
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22:36 Danking70
22:30 twobyfour
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