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2005-12-19 Great White North

U.S. sub may have toured Canadian Arctic zone

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Posted by Steve White 2005-12-19 12:03|| || Front Page|| [1 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 As an ex-submariner, this is funniest article I ever read here.

Like US submarine transits are a threat to Canada's claim for its arctic islands. If anything, they are the guarantee that those Islands will always belong to Canada!

Even if the they joined the gathering horde of Western hemisphere commies, I doubt we would even care. All it means is we'll have to build another couple of fences, (Alaska-Canada too). Which we should get cheap after they build the first one on the Southern border.

And hell, they did a port visit to Halifax! That's money in people's pockets. Gladly given, I might add.

What a non-issue.

Posted by Penguin 2005-12-19 14:07|| 2005-12-19 14:07|| Front Page Top

#2 Well, it's not like they could do anything aboot it, anyway, is it?

Posted by mojo">mojo 2005-12-19 14:47|| 2005-12-19 14:47|| Front Page Top

#3 I'm trying to figure out how a US submarine is supposed to make a port visit to Halifax WITHOUT passing through Canadian territorial waters.

I also would have thought that previous mutual defense agreements would have covered this sort of exercise without jeapordizing Canada's sovereignity any more than the NATO training exercises at Goose Bay do.

Posted by Halliburton/KBR Levitating Submarine DIvision 2005-12-19 14:59|| 2005-12-19 14:59|| Front Page Top

#4 "The fact of the matter is that we've spent nothing on Arctic sovereignty over the past 20 years."

Thats right mate, but Arctic sovereignty isn't the only thing you've neglected. Your socialist gov't has nearly destroyed a once proud Canadian military. You've been hiding under the American defense cover for at least 50 years or so, spending your money on social welfare and give-away programs for foreigners.

Posted by Besoeker 2005-12-19 15:06|| 2005-12-19 15:06|| Front Page Top

#5 WTF? Who do the Canadian's think will actually protect their sovereignty if it's threatened? The CAF? Your kidding right? It will be us down here using a frw of these nuclear subs, eh.

Professors of TRANZI nonsense and newsies with too much time on their hands.

Posted by Mahou Sensei Negi-bozu 2005-12-19 15:10|| 2005-12-19 15:10|| Front Page Top

Posted by BigEd 2005-12-19 15:12|| 2005-12-19 15:12|| Front Page Top

#7 And the real, real sad note is that Canada once had one of the five beaches in Normandy - Juno. Socialism sucks the heart out of another culture.

Posted by Chonter Uneamble8668 2005-12-19 17:08|| 2005-12-19 17:08|| Front Page Top

#8 He said the nations controlling the submarines -- the Americans, British and French -- usually do not tell Canada when their vessels enter the Arctic. "We're relying on their goodwill to know if they're in our waters or not."

That isn't a problem, it's a feature. The only real base that the Canadians have, besides the radar sites on the northern coasts, is Alert, which is more of a listening post. The Canadians do a bunch of Continental Shelf research projects every year, with much of the support out of Resolute (on Cornwallis Island). I guess that is how they justify their claim. The only inhabited village north of Resolute is Griese Fjord on the south end of Ellesmere Island. Cool place, but toward the end of the world. Then you have a weather station at Eureka, and maybe someone still at Mould Bay to the west. All in all pretty sparsely inhabited. And no resources to enforce sovereignty. If you want to play, you've got to play.

Flew up to Resolute in 1990, still my fartherst north aircraft oil change at Latitude 75 deg N. Used HF radio and sun compass (was near the magnetic N pole, so mag compasses are useless). Got a cool poster from Northern Transportation Company, Ltd, the barge co. up there. It is called "Our Northern Point of View." Check out the website:

http://www.ntcl.com/

Then click on the tab that says, "Route Map." A pictorial view that you do not see in most places.

Posted by Alaska Paul">Alaska Paul 2005-12-19 18:00|| 2005-12-19 18:00|| Front Page Top

#9 *ahem* correction: If you want to play, you've got to PAY. My bad.

Posted by Alaska Paul">Alaska Paul 2005-12-19 18:02|| 2005-12-19 18:02|| Front Page Top

#10 This article is stupid. The issue here is the right of passage through so called international straits. More or less defined as a body of water which needs to be crossed to reach one area of international waters from another or the port of third country.

The USA maintains it has an unrestricted right to transit these passges without impediment. Other countries maintain they can restrict vessels transiting them for example by searching the ships.

It has bugger all to do with soveriegnty.

Posted by phil_b">phil_b 2005-12-19 19:09|| http://autonomousoperation.blogspot.com/]">[http://autonomousoperation.blogspot.com/] 2005-12-19 19:09|| Front Page Top

#11 Well, the Canadians were going to do something about it, but then the rope snapped when the crew tried to start the Evinrude, and the cook forgot to bring the Subway coupons, and then ..

Posted by mrp 2005-12-19 21:38|| 2005-12-19 21:38|| Front Page Top

#12 "We're relying on their goodwill to know if they're in our waters or not."

The maybe it would behoove the Canuck gov't to project a little goodwill towards us.

The way the Canadian gov't has treated us the last few years, I can't imagine why they think we have any "goodwill" for them left. The best they can hope for is "indifferentwill."

Posted by Barbara Skolaut">Barbara Skolaut 2005-12-19 23:11|| http://ariellestjohndesigns.com/page/15bk1/Home_Page.html]">[http://ariellestjohndesigns.com/page/15bk1/Home_Page.html] 2005-12-19 23:11|| Front Page Top

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