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2005-12-20 Home Front: Politix

Administration cites war vote as authorization for NSA operation

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Posted by Dan Darling 2005-12-20 00:24|| || Front Page|| [3 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Very good, but a better argument for Dubya to make before his Amer audience is whether they and the Dems prefer such recce/surv before "Amer Hiroshima(s)" or after, and to do so in an era of ever intensifying nuke prolifer as per Russia's econ supp of Radical Iran? Besides of which, iff memory correctly serves Jimbo "Sighted Rabbit Sank America" Carter and Clinty had the same power and authority.

Posted by JosephMendiola 2005-12-20 01:20|| 2005-12-20 01:20|| Front Page Top

#2 "Sighted Rabbit Sank America" Carter

LOL Joe

Posted by Red Dog 2005-12-20 01:53|| 2005-12-20 01:53|| Front Page Top

#3 In my opinion the Administration did not violate the Constitution, but it is a close call whether they violated the law (a reasonable case may be made in either direction). In any case, it does not appear they abused the law for any personal or partisan gain (it does appear the opposition & NYTimes ARE abusing the situation for personal and partisan gain.) In fact, I suspect the Administration was caught between laws/Constitutional duties - if they obey the NYT interpretation of the law they neglect their oath to protect the US. I think they chose wisely, though I also think the law was not well framed and should be clarified and tightened up to prevent abuse AND permit appropriate use.
That said, I fear this may become Bush's Watergate - too many enemies in too many directions lining up against him on this, and I am not sure the American people in general are bright enough or informed enough to see through the demagoguery.

Posted by Glenmore">Glenmore 2005-12-20 08:19|| 2005-12-20 08:19|| Front Page Top

#4 Oh, and I think the NYT is legally within bounds in publishing, since the Administration actions can reasonably be interpreted as illegal. BUT -- whoever in Congress or the NSA leaked the information TO the NYT clearly committed treason in a time of war, which should make them subject to the death penalty. Before you go blabbing secrets of this level you should be d**n sure it's worth your life.

Posted by Glenmore">Glenmore 2005-12-20 08:23|| 2005-12-20 08:23|| Front Page Top

#5 It should be simple to explain - FISA has never been perfect in execution or timeliness, from what I can gather - and concrete examples usually work on even the dullest, presuming they're not willfully ignorant morons such as recent trolls, but that doesn't bar the demagogues from twisting and skewing it into unrecognizable BS and illogical repetitive irrelevant faux-argumentation.

I fear you're right regards Bush, unless he stands up and calls a spade a spade - eschewing his customary gentlemanly reticence in the face of screeching BDS moonbattery. Sometimes I wonder how he does it, but this time I hope he doesn't.

Gloves off - name names - nail leakers to barn door - beaucoup hard time.

Posted by .com 2005-12-20 08:45|| 2005-12-20 08:45|| Front Page Top

#6 There is one argument going around (heard on Fox this morning) that creation of FISA is an un-constitutional limitation of the Presidents powers during time of war. It will be interesting to see what the courts finally do say about this. My personal opinion is the Supreme Court will uphold the president 5 to 4.

Posted by Deacon Blues">Deacon Blues 2005-12-20 10:38|| 2005-12-20 10:38|| Front Page Top

#7 JOE 2008

Posted by Oil Can Spemble1220 2005-12-20 10:59|| 2005-12-20 10:59|| Front Page Top

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